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Upgrade from 280x Xfire

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alxlwson

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I post this here because I'll swing either way on brands, although prefer staying AMD.

Specs in Sig. 1440p 60Hz (DLDVI is the only connection).

Mainly play BF4 and Diablo 3.
I manually disable xfire while playing d3 because it doesn't work. Can't maintain 60fps during any grift, usually dipping into the 20's. I know it's an engine problem, but more hardware does yield better results.
BF4 I hold 60 in DX11 mode with xfire, and I play with most settings on Ultra. I would like to turn on AA and AF because jaggies sucks in the game.
I'm not looking for top end, but just something that's gonna let me get the settings maxed in bf4 and get my frames up during D3.

Thanks for the help!
 
You didn't state a budget. :) I'll assume that your budget is at least $500. 390x / GTX 980 / Regular Fury. Honestly the 390x is just as fast or faster than the GTX 980 sometimes. The regular Fury is faster than the 390x or GTX 980 at higher resolutions. If your budget is $650 then a Fury X or GTX 980ti would be great for you.

If you don't mind used, a Sapphire 290x with the new cooler on it is just as good as a 390x for sub $300.
 
Moving to a 290x from xfire 280x's... that doesn't sound like a performance upgrade?
Indeed, I didn't state a budget. That was left out by accident. I don't have an exact number to nail down, as I'm not looking for a stellar upgrade, just something marginal to hold over for a year until a full system build (hoping Zen pans out, otherwise i7).
What would be the next stone up from what I have now?
 
alxlwson said:
Moving to a 290x from xfire 280x's... that doesn't sound like a performance upgrade?
Indeed, I didn't state a budget. That was left out by accident. I don't have an exact number to nail down, as I'm not looking for a stellar upgrade, just something marginal to hold over for a year until a full system build (hoping Zen pans out, otherwise i7).
What would be the next stone up from what I have now?
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It is compared to games that don't work with Crossfire! It's 40% faster in those games. And it should have plenty of muscle to power through an older game like BF4. But it wouldn't be any faster.

But aside from that, there really is no value in cards below the GTX 980 Ti. That is the ultimate 1440p card. Not only is the Fury less impressive at 1440p, it also lacks native DL DVI, which would add another $100 to your purchase.

So either save your money and suffer until next year, get the incremental 290x, or go all-out with the GTX 980 Ti, and be set for a couple years.

EDIT: you said specs in sig, but you don't have a sig. What is your processor?
 
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280x CFX? I would say if you don't go at least $650, you are looking at a sidegrade (in terms of RAW performance). I would go at least another high-end dual-card setup, maybe dual 970s or dual 980s.
 
980 ti, I went from a single 7970 which is very much a 280x, to 980ti, night and day difference, diablo fps in higher group G rift more than tripped.(I did go from 920 to 5930k as well)
 
defaultluser said:
It is compared to games that don't work with Crossfire! It's 40% faster in those games. And it should have plenty of muscle to power through an older game like BF4. But it wouldn't be any faster.

But aside from that, there really is no value in cards below the GTX 980 Ti. That is the ultimate 1440p card. Not only is the Fury less impressive at 1440p, it also lacks native DL DVI, which would add another $100 to your purchase.

So either save your money and suffer until next year, get the incremental 290x, or go all-out with the GTX 980 Ti, and be set for a couple years.

EDIT: you said specs in sig, but you don't have a sig. What is your processor?
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Interesting. The mobile version of the site doesn't post with Sig.

Thanks!

So 980ti...boy oh boy. Haven't owned nVidia since the 5800fx
 
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How high is the 8320 overclocked? Wouldn't want you to be CPU-limited in more demanding recent games.

4.5 should be enough :D
 
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Do you need to upgrade immediately? Are their any issues with the crossfire that you just can't stand? If you can still reasonably enjoy your games with the crossfire and are willing to wait for the next set of GPUs then you should do that, otherwise if you need to upgrade immediately a 980ti is a no brainer.
 
UnholyCarcass said:
Do you need to upgrade immediately? Are their any issues with the crossfire that you just can't stand? If you can still reasonably enjoy your games with the crossfire and are willing to wait for the next set of GPUs then you should do that, otherwise if you need to upgrade immediately a 980ti is a no brainer.
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Yeah, also have Crossfire 280x cards and decided to go for next gen, it's shaping up to be a huge performance jump.
 
defaultluser said:
How high is the 8320 overclocked? Wouldn't want you to be CPU-limited in more demanding recent games.

4.5 should be enough :D
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I actually haven't overlooked this processor but once. It's back at stock. I did a lot of work doing the lapping on the waterblock and the IHS, for basically fun lol.I lost my notes on the settings I had stability at. I think I got to 4.7, but it got hot real fast using burnin. Stayed in good temps with 3DMark during physics and combined tests on a loop.

UnholyCarcass said:
Do you need to upgrade immediately? Are their any issues with the crossfire that you just can't stand? If you can still reasonably enjoy your games with the crossfire and are willing to wait for the next set of GPUs then you should do that, otherwise if you need to upgrade immediately a 980ti is a no brainer.
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No issues with crossfire except that it doesn't work in Diablo 3. I don't have any microstutter in BF4. I don't need to upgrade immediately, but I am ready to make a switch to get rid of jaggies in BF4 and the awful performance of D3.

What do we know about next gen performance and time frames?
 
alxlwson said:
What do we know about next gen performance and time frames?
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As of Maxwell, Nvidia has four chip sizes:
GTX 750 Ti (entry)
GTX 960 (mid)
GTX 980 (high)
Titan X (insane)

I'd expect the same old schedule and number of chips to continue. That means we start off with the GTX 750 Ti and the GTX 980 replacements in the first six months. Then we see GTX 960 and Titan X replacements in the next 6 months after that.

The GTX 980\970 replacement should be at least as fast as the Titan X, if not faster. We'll have to wait and see if the GTX 970 sets a precedent for pricing, or if it's just a one-off, and the GTX 1070 launches at $400 like the GTX 670 did.

When the release comes is the big question. Earliest guesstimates say spring, latest say fall. Your call if you want to wait that long.
 
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Yakk said:
Yeah, also have Crossfire 280x cards and decided to go for next gen, it's shaping up to be a huge performance jump.
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I don't like to thread crap, but I see this a LOT with people 'waiting for Pascal' but in truth, Nvidia WILL NOT release a 'huge jump' without either the necessary competition OR pricing it out of oblivion. Look at the OG 980: it was hardly an upgrade over a 780Ti, and when the REAL 'big Maxwell' came out: it was $1K USD. Yeah, the 980 Ti eventually came out, but ONLY because coorperate espionage told Nvidia that the Fury X (necessary competition) was going to be announced.

Pascal will most likely be another 'meh' 15% jump over the 980 Ti. Even If Nvidia has an AMAZING design lined up with 200% improvement over the Titan X, they WON'T release it until they've sufficiently profited from the lower-tier designs first.

Why release Big Pascal (that pulls 150% Maxwell perf) for $700 when you could release Medium Pascal (that pulls 115% Maxwell perf) for $700? Why waste the opportunity to make the extra bux?
 
@KazeoHin. I think that Lisa Su and Raja Koduri have released an interesting lineup this year. Next year the entire lineup is supposed to be all new. I think that Nvidia will have all the sense of competition that they need to want to innovate and keep pricing in check.
 
KazeoHin said:
I don't like to thread crap, but I see this a LOT with people 'waiting for Pascal' but in truth, Nvidia WILL NOT release a 'huge jump' without either the necessary competition OR pricing it out of oblivion. Look at the OG 980: it was hardly an upgrade over a 780Ti, and when the REAL 'big Maxwell' came out: it was $1K USD. Yeah, the 980 Ti eventually came out, but ONLY because coorperate espionage told Nvidia that the Fury X (necessary competition) was going to be announced.

Pascal will most likely be another 'meh' 15% jump over the 980 Ti. Even If Nvidia has an AMAZING design lined up with 200% improvement over the Titan X, they WON'T release it until they've sufficiently profited from the lower-tier designs first.

Why release Big Pascal (that pulls 150% Maxwell perf) for $700 when you could release Medium Pascal (that pulls 115% Maxwell perf) for $700? Why waste the opportunity to make the extra bux?
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Couldn't agree with you more.
 
KazeoHin said:
I don't like to thread crap, but I see this a LOT with people 'waiting for Pascal' but in truth, Nvidia WILL NOT release a 'huge jump' without either the necessary competition OR pricing it out of oblivion. Look at the OG 980: it was hardly an upgrade over a 780Ti, and when the REAL 'big Maxwell' came out: it was $1K USD. Yeah, the 980 Ti eventually came out, but ONLY because coorperate espionage told Nvidia that the Fury X (necessary competition) was going to be announced.
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At this point I'm going for the node shrink. It won't be magical performance, but every time we have a node shrink, it's a good performance bump. On top of the node shrink we have HBM and/or DDR5x starting to appear. The combination of the two is quite attractive. You can buy now and sell later also I guess.

Both nvidia and AMD are preparing some nice looking card lineups. We only have 2 competitors left unfortunately however this time they seem lined up next gen to compete which should help keeping pricing out of the stratosphere.

My 2x CF 280x cards oc'd to 1175 are still quite capable at 1440 for now. I really can't complain, they work really well.
 
With GPU prices the way they are, I think we are better off waiting for the next card. They will not be cheaper, but you will get a lot more performance for around $50-100.0 more if you wait. I am content just turning down a few details to tide me over, and I play at 1600.
 
Nauseous said:
i'd buy a 980 ti and just be done with dual card problems.
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As mentioned earlier, I've yet to have any actual problems, other than xfire being disabled by AMD for D3.

I feel like we can always say "wait until next gen" every year. We always think about how much more will we get with our $600 next year. I think ultimately it comes down to when we feel we are going to see n% for n$ and if those numbers are worth it to us.

Right now, it's worth it to me because I want more performance and eye candy out of the games that I play, which isn't many. Looking like I may add that new Anos our whatever it is called to the list!

So is the 980ti really the best bang for the buck for 1440p with a dldvi connector, that is also an upgrade for me?
 
I think the Radeon R9 390 in the $320 area is a reasonable bump in performance.....Highly thinking about it myself;)
 
alxlwson said:
As mentioned earlier, I've yet to have any actual problems, other than xfire being disabled by AMD for D3.

I feel like we can always say "wait until next gen" every year. We always think about how much more will we get with our $600 next year. I think ultimately it comes down to when we feel we are going to see n% for n$ and if those numbers are worth it to us.

Right now, it's worth it to me because I want more performance and eye candy out of the games that I play, which isn't many. Looking like I may add that new Anos our whatever it is called to the list!

So is the 980ti really the best bang for the buck for 1440p with a dldvi connector, that is also an upgrade for me?
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Yes it is. See here where a stock factory overclocked GTX 980 Ti has 30% better performance than the Fury X, and almost twice the performance of a 290x at 1440p:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_980_Ti_STRIX_Gaming/10.html

And you don't pay much of a premium or that performance either:

http://www.amazon.com/GeForce-Overclocked-384-bit-DisplayPort-Graphics/dp/B011ERJTYU

The 290x is only 30% faster than one of your cards.
 
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defaultluser said:
Yes it is. See here where a stock factory overclocked GTX 980 Ti has 30% better performance than the Fury X, and almost twice the performance of a 290x at 1440p:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_980_Ti_STRIX_Gaming/10.html

And you don't pay much of a premium or that performance either:

http://www.amazon.com/GeForce-Overclocked-384-bit-DisplayPort-Graphics/dp/B011ERJTYU

The 290x is only 30% faster than one of your cards.
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I don't buy that set of benchmarks given the difference between the 390x and 290x reported here: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/06/18/msi_r9_390x_gaming_8g_video_card_review/4#.Vjq0-LerRD8
 
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dook43 said:
I don't buy that set of benchmarks given the difference between the 390x and 290x reported here: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/06/18/msi_r9_390x_gaming_8g_video_card_review/4#.Vjq0-LerRD8
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I don't know why you didn't link to the BF4 portion of that review:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/06/18/msi_r9_390x_gaming_8g_video_card_review/7#.Vjq6hWv5dYo

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The numbers don't match EXACTLY, but they probably test different maps and slightly different settings (MSAA level is the same, but what about the rest?) Also, I think [H] test multiplayer, while TPU likely tests on single player.

But the important part is: the RATIOS are exactly the same.



IN BOTH REVIEWS, THE R9 390X is 13% faster than the R9 290X
 
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I'm in a similar boat, except I am sick of total crap AMD drivers. Arrivng late and CF ot working (Far Cry 4, D3 STILL and BLOps 3 not yet). I guess a 980 Ti would be a small upgrade/maybe side grade. But single card, NV driver releases and I am so tempted by a GSync monitor too. Sell my two 290s and Dell monitor, should cover a bit!
 
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