Updating Dell Dimension...Need Help

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This is me first post/thread so I apologized if I ask stupid questions.

I currently have a Dell Dimension 9100 which is only a 1 and half old, So it still does my daily tasks pretty well, but i need it to do more.

A major factor in the system that is lacking is definitely the video card. Right now I have a ATI Radeon x300 128mb...which basically sucks for gaming and CAD/CAM work.
(current games: Brothers in Arms-Earned in Blood, Sniper Elite, and Company of Heroes)
I tested Company of Heroes for video capabilities and it came in terrible at 4.7 fps. (aka REALLY Choppy) I would play more games but considering I didn't have a good vid card I stuck with my 360.

And for those who care the CAD/CAM softwares I've been using are UniGraphics NX4 and Solidworks 2005.

I need new video card Recommendations!

P4 Prescott 630, 3.0Ghz
1GB DDR2
80GB Maxtor and 200GB WD HDDs
Windows XP Pro
Dell 20.1" Widescreen (1680 x 1050 native), 2005FPW

PSU 375W :(

Price range Below $200
 
The best your PSU can probably handle is a 7600GT

Wont set you back much and will be a massive upgrade to what you currently have.
 
Dude no way! I have a Dell Dimension 5150 w/ the radeon x300 piece of trash..lol. I am updating my computer too!

I am updating my PC by replacing the current memory I have installed with 3GB of memory, a eVGA 7800GTX KO ACS3 edition, and a 600Watt PSU.
Check out my thread, cuz it might help you...http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1188608


Looks like a 8600 is a great card for your PC...but the PSU is a problem. I just received my PSU from frys today that was free AR. It was a 600Watt, and it will work very well with your PC, along with mines...:D...here's the link for the PSU http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4548667.
 
4Ner said:
Would this be a good fit for me?(will my power supply be a problem) its a 375w 12v 18A

GeForce 8600GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150229

on sale on zipzoom for $150 shipped


or should i get something in the GeForce 7600GT or 7800GT?
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I suppose you could go with the 8600 however know that if you do you will be running your PSU at full load constantly and risk burning it out prematurely.

Thats why i suggested the 7600GT it will safely run on your PSU for a long time. Anything more than that and your pushing it.

Trust me the 7600GT is at least 3x faster than what your using you wont be disappointed.

Maybe im wrong and someone will chime in but i dont think Dells PSU's are that good to run that hard.
 
7600GT > 8600GT

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=637&p=2
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=637&p=3
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=637&p=4
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=637&p=1


The 8600GT has DX10 but you'll need Vista and a memory upgrade (don't bother running Vista with 1GB, you're better off with XP.) Also your CPU will probably bottleneck you in future DX10 games. Just wait until you get a new machine for DX10.

Get the evga 7600gt at newegg for $90 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130062
 
Thanks guys for all the help.
I'll most likely be getting a 7600GT

but still wondering if a 7900GT would work for me too? or is that pushing the PSU or will it bottleneck my Processor
 
pfunkman said:
I suppose you could go with the 8600 however know that if you do you will be running your PSU at full load constantly and risk burning it out prematurely.

Thats why i suggested the 7600GT it will safely run on your PSU for a long time. Anything more than that and your pushing it.

Trust me the 7600GT is at least 3x faster than what your using you wont be disappointed.

Maybe im wrong and someone will chime in but i dont think Dells PSU's are that good to run that hard.
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First of all he would be pulling only about 200watts under FULL load with a 8600gt. Second an 8600gt uses almost exactly the power as the 7600gt. Third you are wrong because Dells PSUs are very strong and are under rated. You can even get an 8800gtx when configuring an XPS 410 which only has a 375watt psu.
 
trek554 said:
First of all he would be pulling only about 200watts under FULL load with a 8600gt. Second an 8600gt uses almost exactly the power as the 7600gt. Third you are wrong because Dells PSUs are very strong and are under rated. You can even get an 8800gtx when configuring an XPS 410 which only has a 375watt psu.
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And there you have it. I knew someone else would chime in eventually.

Good to know about dell PSU's.
 
4Ner said:
good to know that the Dell Power supply's not gonna let me down.

Does anybody own this card or have any opinions about it?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150182
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Good card but not worth more than the EVGA IMO.

Both XFX and EVGA allow overclocking and using aftermarket cooling without voiding the warranty. The difference between the 2 companies is XFX has a transferrable lifetime warranty ie. If you ever sell your card the next guy gets a lifetime warranty same as you. EVGA has the step up program with that you have 90 days to trade up to a different card from EVGA with credit for what you paid. Now with the step up youll be paying the MSRP value not the retailers prices. so i would make a choice based on that info if you plan on keeping the card and not selling it or stepping up then it comes down to price/aesthetics.

Either way with both cards when you get them you need to register them online via the manufacturers site (I believe you have 30 days) .
 
Time for me, an experienced Dell modder to come chime in.

First thing : Make sure your case has the room. Plain and simple.

Second : That PSU will handle a 8800GTX 640meg w/o a problem, so any card under that will be a breeze

Third : Dell PSU's are rated at a base not at load. My Dimension E520 PSU is rated at 305w. I can tell you now that it's a hell of a lot more than that, at least 450-485w max load and it has no overheating issues.


That X300 is a piece of garbage. If you want the sweet point for an upgrade, snag a 8800GTS 320meg and you'll be happy for a long time to come, or wait to see what the new ATi/AMD line brings to the fore.

As for your current rig, snagging a Core2Duo and another gig of ram would make it a nice rig for gaming, that CPU and 1gig will bottleneck you in the long run. It's not a bad rig and just a twinkle bit of upgrading will do it for you.

My E521 has this in it:

PentiumD 915 (upgrading to a C2D whenever I get the cash)
4gigs Duel channel DDR2 667 (wish it was DDR800 lol)
EVGA GeForce 8800GTS 320meg
1 x 160gig Sata (Hitachi)
1 x 250gig Sata (Seagate Barracuda)
Add-in Firewire card / DVD-RW
305w Dell PSU
Windows Vista


I had to do some mods, but I can honestly say that the system is rock solid. Besides having Vista, I've had 0 issues that pertain to system performance and stability. I will admit that WindowsXP doesn't work right on my system though...not sure why.

I've run 3D Mark solid for 2hours, have run several high-stressing PC tests, have left it on for a week solid with a tonne of programs running while encoding/decoding, have let games run overnight (keyword games lol, I've let Jade Empire + Resident Evil 4 + WoW all run at the same time). Suffice to say, it's 100% stable.

If I had the cash, I will admit that I would buy a new PSU that had better cooling and modular cables and at least 600w, but as it is now I have no issues.
 
Snooble said:
Time for me, an experienced Dell modder to come chime in.

First thing : Make sure your case has the room. Plain and simple.

Second : That PSU will handle a 8800GTX 640meg w/o a problem, so any card under that will be a breeze

Third : Dell PSU's are rated at a base not at load. My Dimension E520 PSU is rated at 305w. I can tell you now that it's a hell of a lot more than that, at least 450-485w max load and it has no overheating issues.


That X300 is a piece of garbage. If you want the sweet point for an upgrade, snag a 8800GTS 320meg and you'll be happy for a long time to come, or wait to see what the new ATi/AMD line brings to the fore.

As for your current rig, snagging a Core2Duo and another gig of ram would make it a nice rig for gaming, that CPU and 1gig will bottleneck you in the long run. It's not a bad rig and just a twinkle bit of upgrading will do it for you.

My E521 has this in it:

PentiumD 915 (upgrading to a C2D whenever I get the cash)
4gigs Duel channel DDR2 667 (wish it was DDR800 lol)
EVGA GeForce 8800GTS 320meg
1 x 160gig Sata (Hitachi)
1 x 250gig Sata (Seagate Barracuda)
Add-in Firewire card / DVD-RW
305w Dell PSU
Windows Vista


I had to do some mods, but I can honestly say that the system is rock solid. Besides having Vista, I've had 0 issues that pertain to system performance and stability. I will admit that WindowsXP doesn't work right on my system though...not sure why.

I've run 3D Mark solid for 2hours, have run several high-stressing PC tests, have left it on for a week solid with a tonne of programs running while encoding/decoding, have let games run overnight (keyword games lol, I've let Jade Empire + Resident Evil 4 + WoW all run at the same time). Suffice to say, it's 100% stable.

If I had the cash, I will admit that I would buy a new PSU that had better cooling and modular cables and at least 600w, but as it is now I have no issues.
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Since you're a Dell guru I would like to point out a few discrepancies..
1) The E521 comes with a AMD processor so I'm not sure why yours has a 915 in it.
2) A 640MB 8800GTX does not exist.
3) It's true Dell underrates their PSU but the OP's PSU is 375W (google is your friend ;)) so don't even try to stick in a 8800GTX into it (feel like gambling with your system stability? be my guest..)
4) The fastest processor that the OP's motherboard can handle is of the Pentium D variety. It seems reckless to me to recommend someone to upgrade to a C2D processor when their motherboard won't support it.

Don't take this offensively, you were just screaming for someone to burst your bubble :p
 
heero884 said:
Since you're a Dell guru I would like to point out a few discrepancies..

3) It's true Dell underrates their PSU but the OP's PSU is 375W (google is your friend ;)) so don't even try to stick in a 8800GTX into it (feel like gambling with your system stability? be my guest..)


Don't take this offensively, you were just screaming for someone to burst your bubble :p
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The OPs 375watt psu CAN handle an 8800gtx just fine if its the same 375watt unit that comes in the XPS 410. You can configure the XPS 410 with an 8800gtx straight from Dells website. The Dells psu is rated for continuous power and his system with an 8800gtx wouldnt even pull over 325 to 350 watts at 100% load anyway.
 
Gentlemen I don't plan on getting a 8800GTX, my friends have it..definitely over kill for my purpose. Plus out of the price range i mentioned. I'm pretty sure i have enough room in my case for it but...i really dont see a need for it at this point. Maybe when I build a new PC in a year.


So basically after all this reading I'm getting conflicting views on what my PSU can handle and what i should get.

Current choices:
1) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150182

2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150229

3) ?
 
4Ner said:
Gentlemen I don't plan on getting a 8800GTX, my friends have it..definitely over kill for my purpose. Plus out of the price range i mentioned. I'm pretty sure i have enough room in my case for it but...i really dont see a need for it at this point. Maybe when I build a new PC in a year.


So basically after all this reading I'm getting conflicting views on what my PSU can handle and what i should get.

Current choices:
1) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150182

2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150229

3) ?
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The people that think your psu is weak dont have clue what they are talking about. Unless Dell has two different 375watt PSUs this is the same one that comes in the XPS 410 which can be had with 8800gtx straight from Dell. You are fine with any card you want. DONT get the XFX 8600gt because it has the old 6600gt/7600gt cooler instead of the larger reference 8600gt cooler.
 
4Ner said:
I currently have a Dell Dimension 9100 which is only a 1 and half old, So it still does my daily tasks pretty well, but i need it to do more.
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trek554 said:
The OPs 375watt psu CAN handle an 8800gtx just fine if its the same 375watt unit that comes in the XPS 410. You can configure the XPS 410 with an 8800gtx straight from Dells website. The Dells psu is rated for continuous power and his system with an 8800gtx wouldnt even pull over 325 to 350 watts at 100% load anyway.
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trek554 said:
The people that think your psu is weak dont have clue what they are talking about. Unless Dell has two different 375watt PSUs this is the same one that comes in the XPS 410 which can be had with 8800gtx straight from Dell. You are fine with any card you want. DONT get the XFX 8600gt because it has the old 6600gt/7600gt cooler instead of the larger reference 8600gt cooler.
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If you would read the thread you would notice he DOES NOT HAVE A XPS 410. The XPS410 came out way AFTER the Dimension 9100 so it would not be reasonable to believe they both use the same power supply. I can't believe people can be so reckless and tell people they can use a video card that might not even be stable on their system.

4Ner said:
Gentlemen I don't plan on getting a 8800GTX, my friends have it..definitely over kill for my purpose. Plus out of the price range i mentioned. I'm pretty sure i have enough room in my case for it but...i really dont see a need for it at this point. Maybe when I build a new PC in a year.


So basically after all this reading I'm getting conflicting views on what my PSU can handle and what i should get.

Current choices:
1) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150182

2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150229

3) ?
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As for you why not get the evga i linked earlier? Was my reasoning not clear? :X
 
trek554 said:
The OPs 375watt psu CAN handle an 8800gtx just fine if its the same 375watt unit that comes in the XPS 410. You can configure the XPS 410 with an 8800gtx straight from Dells website. The Dells psu is rated for continuous power and his system with an 8800gtx wouldnt even pull over 325 to 350 watts at 100% load anyway.
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Dont fucking matter how you can configure an XPS 410 did you stop to think that maybe just maybe when you configure with a GTX they upgrade the PSU? The power supply in question has only 30 amps on the 12V rail Meaning the 8800 series would be pushing it HARD.

Dont come here shit talking saying people dont know what thier talking about while your arguing wattages like a noob anyone that knows shit about PSU's will tell you wattage dont mean shit when compared to APMS on the 12V.

Honestly Dells PSU's are above average but still are weak as hell when compared to enthusiast PSU's

Either way...just assuming his PSU is the same as the one from an XPS is pretty silly. Almost as silly as assuming that one of the largest manufacturers of PC's only has 1 model of power supply.

OP open your case and make sure it says it has 30A on the 12V if so pick whichever of the video cards suits you best.

My suggestion since it dont seem your the type to go upgrading every 6 months would be to fork over the extra 40-50 and get yourself an 8600GTS that way you will be ready for DX10 and still have respectable performance in DX9
 
My PSU has a 12V 18A per rail rating and a 30Amp Max (I think...i'll check once i get home)

and as for not getting the EVGA mentioned before is because I think the XFX is a bit better and the $20 rebate isnt really a deciding factor.

On a different Note I decided to go onto the dell website and look at what they recommend for my system as a suitable upgrade were the GeForce 7300 GS and the Radeon x1650

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/category.aspx?c=us&category_id=5406&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=anav&nf=30454~0~284638&navla=30454~0~284638
 
pfunkman said:
Dont fucking matter how you can configure an XPS 410 did you stop to think that maybe just maybe when you configure with a GTX they upgrade the PSU? The power supply in question has only 30 amps on the 12V rail Meaning the 8800 series would be pushing it HARD.

Dont come here shit talking saying people dont know what thier talking about while your arguing wattages like a noob anyone that knows shit about PSU's will tell you wattage dont mean shit when compared to APMS on the 12V.

Honestly Dells PSU's are above average but still are weak as hell when compared to enthusiast PSU's

Either way...just assuming his PSU is the same as the one from an XPS is pretty silly. Almost as silly as assuming that one of the largest manufacturers of PC's only has 1 model of power supply.

OP open your case and make sure it says it has 30A on the 12V if so pick whichever of the video cards suits you best.

My suggestion since it dont seem your the type to go upgrading every 6 months would be to fork over the extra 40-50 and get yourself an 8600GTS that way you will be ready for DX10 and still have respectable performance in DX9
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The XPS 410 only comes with a 375watt psu and there is NO other one available on that model. His 9100 has a 375watt psu and just using common sense would tell you it is probably the same one. If it is the same one it should have plenty of amps so once he confirms the 12v amps as being high enough than he can get any card he wants. 30 amps would be PLENTY based on the rest of his system. By the way cussing makes you look like a spoiled little kid.




EDIT: I looked it up and the 375watt psu is the SAME one used in the XPS 400, XPS 410, and Precision 380. Now like I said earlier you didnt know what you were talking about.
 
I saw my mistakes after checkin my post a few minutes ago lol...was so exhausted after walking 5km and pulling out a tonne of Alder bushes by their roots in the dead heat (here in Nova Scotia we just got hit with the heat like you wouldn't believe, and just a week or so ago we saw snow flurries).

Yeah I run the E520 and the 8800gtx are the 7xx meg versions. My bad.

As for the poster saying he was looking at what Dell recommends...stay far away from waht them assholes have to say, and what the site recommends.

As for the C2Duo not working on the 945P motherboard that's in your system...that's an iffy one but IMO it would work. Do a search for your particular chipset to see what it supports, alot of sites report the 945 as supporting a Core2Duo.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2813&p=3

A good idea would be to find a friend or a PC retailer that would be willing to let you check it out in your system.
 
Power supply
Power supply Delta N375P-00
Continuous power 375 W
Max. current 12 V - Rail 1 18 A
Max. current 12 V - Rail 2 18 A
Max. current 12 V - Rail 3 0
Max. current 12 V - Rail 4 0
Max. current 5 V 22 A
Max. current 3.3 V 17 A

Model: N375P-00
Ref. NO: NPS-375AB A Rev:03
Input 100-120V~11.4A, 50-60Hz
200-240V~6.1A,

Output +5V --- 22.0A, -12V --- 1.0A,
+12VA --- 18.0A, +3.3V --- 17.0A,
+12VB --- 18.0A, +5VFP --- 2.0A
Max Combined power on +5V and +3.3V output is 150W
Max Combined output current on +12VA &+12VB output is 30A

Date Code: 0525
 
Snooble said:
I saw my mistakes after checkin my post a few minutes ago lol...was so exhausted after walking 5km and pulling out a tonne of Alder bushes by their roots in the dead heat (here in Nova Scotia we just got hit with the heat like you wouldn't believe, and just a week or so ago we saw snow flurries).

Yeah I run the E520 and the 8800gtx are the 7xx meg versions. My bad.

As for the poster saying he was looking at what Dell recommends...stay far away from waht them assholes have to say, and what the site recommends.

As for the C2Duo not working on the 945P motherboard that's in your system...that's an iffy one but IMO it would work. Do a search for your particular chipset to see what it supports, alot of sites report the 945 as supporting a Core2Duo.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2813&p=3

A good idea would be to find a friend or a PC retailer that would be willing to let you check it out in your system.
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I dont plan on changing the Processor. Just a minor mod of the vid card.

I'm gonna wait a bit before updating to a C2D....probably when vista's stable and I'll probably build my own system with a massive PSU so i dont have to worry about it not having enough juice.
 
4Ner said:
Power supply
Power supply Delta N375P-00
Continuous power 375 W
Max. current 12 V - Rail 1 18 A
Max. current 12 V - Rail 2 18 A
Max. current 12 V - Rail 3 0
Max. current 12 V - Rail 4 0
Max. current 5 V 22 A
Max. current 3.3 V 17 A

Model: N375P-00
Ref. NO: NPS-375AB A Rev:03
Input 100-120V~11.4A, 50-60Hz
200-240V~6.1A,

Output +5V --- 22.0A, -12V --- 1.0A,
+12VA --- 18.0A, +3.3V --- 17.0A,
+12VB --- 18.0A, +5VFP --- 2.0A
Max Combined power on +5V and +3.3V output is 150W
Max Combined output current on +12VA &+12VB output is 30A

Date Code: 0525
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Thanks and that is the EXACT same psu as the XPS 410. Looking at the rest of your system you can run any card you want. Pfunkman suggested an 8600gts and that may be a good compromise if you can find a good deal on one.
 
This was a very helpful thread... Thanks.


I have a dim 8400 with a x300 also... I haven't gamed since counter-strike 1.6. I just reintalled diablo 2 after a year or so and this gpu can't seem to handle some parts of the game. i.e. when chests open up and a bunch of lights, sounds, and movements happen. I think it's time I update the gpu... I was going to buy a 6600GT back in 2005 but never got around to it. I guess the card to get now is a 7600? I think in the next month or so I will probably do that.
 
Nye553 said:
This was a very helpful thread... Thanks.


I have a dim 8400 with a x300 also... I haven't gamed since counter-strike 1.6. I just reintalled diablo 2 after a year or so and this gpu can't seem to handle some parts of the game. i.e. when chests open up and a bunch of lights, sounds, and movements happen. I think it's time I update the gpu... I was going to buy a 6600GT back in 2005 but never got around to it. I guess the card to get now is a 7600? I think in the next month or so I will probably do that.
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check out the link....and help me and Nye553 choose a card.

Thanks
 
7900GS FTW then. great card, faster than the others and overclocks like its on steroids.
 
My friend is selling a 7800GTX KO ACS3 (not the one I am going to buy) for 130.00 obo shipped...PM me if you are interested. This card will work perfectly with your PC. :)
 
4Ner said:
This thread has gotten bigger then i thought...but upon read some reviews on the 8600GTS...I'm not gonna get it. I Really dont need Direct X 10, not planing on putting vista on this system. And i saw that the geforce 7 series did better in game tests.

here are my Final choices:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+4017+1068309611+1069609641+106790717&StoreType=7&CompareItemList=N82E16814130062%2cN82E16814150202%2cN82E16814150182%2cN82E16814150185&bop=And
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7900gs for sure. Sorry I said get the 8600gts earlier but now that I have Vista I forget that most people have XP. The 7900gs would be a great card and a much better choice than the 7600gt.
 
The reason to get a 8xxx series card is so your futureproofed to play games as they come out...it's either $200-$250 now for a nice card or $150 now and $150 later as you have to upgrade sooner than later.

Just my 2c, but it's your dollar not mine. Have fun in whatever you choose.
 
Snooble said:
The reason to get a 8xxx series card is so your futureproofed to play games as they come out...it's either $200-$250 now for a nice card or $150 now and $150 later as you have to upgrade sooner than later.

Just my 2c, but it's your dollar not mine. Have fun in whatever you choose.
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He has XP and DX9 so the 8600gts would offer no real advantage over the 7900gs in most games.
 
Ladies and Gents I finally ordered a Video card

XFX GeForce 7900GS 256mb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150202

Thanks for all the help and I'll keep everybody updated on how it performs for my tasks.
I even called up XFX tech support to make sure my power supply would handle the card and they said it would.:D

now its time to get a second monitor or maybe even a NEW HDTV!!!!
 
I installed the XFX Nvidia GeForce 7900 GS last night on my dell. And it worked..so that was good.

But i can't say it worked without a hitch.

First impressions.."ok i really dont notice a difference." Tried playing a video file and it seemed a bit choppy. But i thought that could just be me paying more attention to detail on my screen.

Next i decided to run my Company of Heroes and run its performance test. After setting the graphic resolution to widescreen 1680 x 1050 (which is my native screen resolution) and ran the test. In the end I now had a average:47.5 fps and max: 120ish fps and a GREAT rating.
This was a clear improvement from my previous cards average: 4.7 fps.

Basically a 10 x improvement.


But the troubling thing I ran into was upon restart I tried to play another video (last weeks Scrubs) and the video was completely red hue...i tried another player and same redish tint. The destop and all the application ran at regular color but any video I tried came out red.

I followed this by going straight into the Nividia control panel and clicking reset all defaults.
which seemed to solve the problem.


Another thing i noticed was that all my applications were slow to open and pc would freeze for a sec and then come back to working order.

I opened up my task manager to see if nividia drivers had put any crap in my processes but nothing seemed to be hogging all the processor. and CPU usage didnt seem to go up when opening apps either. Would go upto around 45% and open up the app and idle back down to 10%

I'll probably restart the pc once i get home and see if that solves the problem..
but what is a possible cause for slow down of my PC.
 
i updated the drivers..that solved the red tint problem is videos.


but today i installed the GRAWs that was complimentary with the graphics card and i cant even get the Game to work. The instant i try to open the GRAW.exe the game crashes. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling...also downloaded the new game patch. but still no luck.


This card hasn't been a smooth install yet.

any suggestions on how to get the game working
 
I agree with everyone here who says Dell PSUs are good, my old Dimension 4550 I used to run had a 9800XT card OCd running in it on a 250w PSU with 1GB of RAM and 2 hard drives, with no problems................
 
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