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Ultimate Watercooling System

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J-M-E

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As most of you know, I have all my parts in for my new comp except my water cooling system.

If you had and unlimited amount of cash to build the beastliest watercooling system you could, what would it contain? (dont recommend phase change)

Right now Im looking at the following items

Pump:
Swiftech MCP650 Pump
Eheim 1250 (or bigger)
MC600
Dangeren D4
Iwaki RD-30

Resivoir
Aquatube with LED + Aquajet

Radiator
Thermochill 120.3\120.2
Hardware Labs Black Ice Xtreme 2\3
Airplex EVO 240\360 (External housing?)

Blocks
Little River Storm G4 \ Danger Den TDX\ PolarFLO TT\ Cuplex XT\ D tek Whitewater
DangerDen NV-68 GPU block \ Silverprop Fusion\AquagraFX 6800 Rev 2

HDD
Silentstar

Misc
Tygon tubing
Aquaero
UV Dye
Radiator Grill
Flow indicator
Compression fittings?
Fluid XP
Maxxxracer's Xs Radiator shroud?

What would be the best?

Thanks :)
 
i've done some additional reading since your last thread. http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=IK1123 would almost certainly be better than the MD30.

dual maze4 GPU low profile acetyl top and ramsinks running in parallel and ramsinks for the VGA memory, instead of NV-68s in series.

if you're going to get a HWlabs rad, go with one of the pro series, instead of the xtreme.
 
Thought I would recycle a post I did a few days ago lol

Okay high end H20 we go....

CPU Cooler: Cuplex XT
GPU Coolers: Choice 1: AquagraFX 6800 rev 2 Choice 2: Twinplex 6800
NB Cooler: Twinplex w/ATI screen or by Koolance GPU-180-L06.
HDD Coolers: Choice 1: Koolance HD-50-L06 Choice 2: Would be Aquadrives, depending on how much room you have to play with.
Reservoir: Aquatube put in horizontally with an Aquabay AT. Or if mounted into the top of the case a mounting plate. Either way you would want an Aquajet.
Fan & Temp Control: Aquaero with in-the-coolant Plug & Cool temp sensors or Innovatek sensors.
Radiator: Asetek Black Ice Pro III or Aquacomputer Airplex Evo 360. Either radiator mounted to top of case with Aqua Computer Airplex Evo 360 grill.
Pump: Aquastream.
Fluids: Distilled H20 and AC Fluid

Now for the discussion: The Twinplex's give you more fexibility in future installations whereas the combo ram/gpu coolers do both so you don't need any video ram sinks. Both the Twinplex's and the XT coolers are also available in Silver block models as well. Depending on how many HD's you want to cool you might also consider using two (2) Aquastream pumps off the same reservoir. The Aquaero can control 2 of the Aquastream pumps at the same time and you can OC them to somewhat the flow of a Eheim 1048.

I can tell you a lot of this stuff is in stock at Sharka Corp and I *think* the stuff that isn't will be here sometime next week. No one has heard or seen from Dan @ SNT in a while so I can't speak for what they might have or not. :)

Basically I have what I recommended and also have an A8N-SLI rig with 2 Asus 6600 GT's, which I am still putting together. :D
 
I hear its kind of a waste of money to cool your chipset.

How much would all this run me?

I looked on Sharka corp. They carry about 35% of what you just listed :confused: but i figure i can combine the stuff with some stuff at dans site and get almost all of it

And whats better, an Aquaero LCD or VFD?

And what about this ? http://www.koolance.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=174

Can someone confirm if this setup is really really good?
 
It all depends on what you want for the "beastliest" system, if you like AC looks, then go for them, but if you want absolute beastly cooling ;):
The MD20 Dashi posted
G4/G5 (really hard to get, but the best performance) or WW
Maze 4 gpu setup Dashi said, except series, parallel doesnt do anything better over plain series)
120.3/BIX3(or BIP3 if youre going for quiet)
Res doesnt matter, go for looks as long as the design doesnt suck

Then again, if youre paying this much for a WC setup, unless this is just a dream list, you could have a loop for the vgas, and then a Vapo/Prometia for your cpu, but thats just me.
 
Actually they carry it all. They just are a bit slow in getting things up on their site. A lot of items were not put up because they wanted to be able to sell their limited supply of fittings with all their Aquatubes and Aquastreams they have in stock. The balance of the stuff is leaving Austria yesterday or Monday morning and it is a very large shipment of A-C goods. I would expect that it would be here by next Friday as Sharka doesn't have as many US customs problems as other distributors seem to do. SNT also wants you to pay cash up front before they order from A-C, if they don't have it in stock. I suggest you cruise some of the A-C threads around and check out both distributors of A-C products before ordering.

Forgot to mention the difference between a LCD and VFD. You have seen plenty of LCD so here is a pic of a VFD display. For the extra few $$ it is a much better deal. :p
 
J-M-E said:
Can someone confirm if this setup is really really good?
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Ask around on the A-C [H] thread as I post there quite a bit and while some may quible over certain minor details they would all probably agree with me. :D

The Koolance cooler is good, but the A-C coolers will do a better job especially if you go the combo card route as the rev 2 coolers have a floating GPU heatsink taht makes sure you don't have any problems with different ram heights.
 
Top Nurse said:
Forgot to mention the difference between a LCD and VFD. You have seen plenty of LCD so here is a pic of a VFD display. For the extra few $$ it is a much better deal. :p
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VFD looks worse than an LCD???
 
J-M-E said:
VFD looks worse than an LCD???
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The difference between a Vaccum Florescent Display is that the pixels light up and not the backlighting. You can read this display at quite a bit off center where as LCD's you have to be looking at them almost directly. At night you can read it across the room. And as you can see it does support graphics as well. :)
 
Dosent the LCD support graphics too?

And in theory, shouldent high flow preform better than low flow? Because the heat is being taken away from the item being cooled faster?
 
J-M-E said:
Dosent the LCD support graphics too?

And in theory, shouldent high flow preform better than low flow? Because the heat is being taken away from the item being cooled faster?
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Yes it does, but not in the same way as the LCD displays we are talking about. These are not laptop quality backlit screens.

High flow will give you a few degrees cooler than low flow. There is no doubt about that, but it won't make any negligible difference in the ability of you to OC your box. :D There are plenty of people running around with really top of the line AMD FX and Pentium 4's running Aqua Computer setups.
 
J-M-E said:
Uhhhhh.

So high flow is cheaper and more effective......
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There are some less expensive low flow companies out there, but we were talking about the "Ultimate Watercooling System" correct? Again, effective is debatable as I pointed out earlier. But it sounds like you are ready for a Swiftech or DD kit instead of a high quality top of the line product. :)
 
CAD OC'er said:
Too bad Top Nurse isn't on commission... sounds like another sale for Sharka...
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Yeah, I wish :) I just like A-C stuff and I like buying from people who understand the word "service" and understand that the only difference betweeen a sale and no sale is that "service." I tell them what I want and if they don't sell it they will usually get it for me anyway. Might have to pay a few pennies more, but the price of service is priceless. :D
 
Most people who use AC goods came from the 1/2" ID / 3/4" OD tubing world and have found just as good performance with 6mm ID / 8mm OD systems that look 200 times better.
 
i todl you high flow was better. everything looks good with that setup, but if you wanna save some money, which not everyone does, you could get a heatercore, which will perform just as good for wcing as any black ice or any other those 100+ dollar radiators.
 
Yea AC is definatley the best looking watercooling components out there. If the difference between them and a really high-end high flow system is only a few unnoticable degrees cooler, ill go with AC
 
J-M-E said:
Yea AC is definatley the best looking watercooling components out there. If the difference between them and a really high-end high flow system is only a few unnoticable degrees cooler, ill go with AC
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yes, the difference is only the matter of a few degrees.

the closer to ambient you get, the harder it is to move any heat out of the coolant and into the air. to get a few degrees coolder than an AC system, it requires a lot of work on the part of the cooling system.
 
Smart choice! I think you will really enjoy your wc both in performance and visually. Watching an Aquatube do it's thing with the Aquajet running at night is a real treat and conversation piece. And of course not a lot of people have these setups so it can be a babe or dude magnet ;) :D

As a FYI: I have a PCP&C 510 SLI, three 74 GB Raptors cooled with Koolance HDD coolers, two Aquastreams, two Aquatube's and Aquajet's, a Cuplex XT silver, two Twinplex's (be here next week), an Aquaero Version 4 with temp sensors x3 with a flowmeter, two 120mm BI Pro rads, one 160mm BI Micro II rad, and all in a Lian-Li V-2000B case. :p
 
Top Nurse said:
Smart choice! I think you will really enjoy your wc both in performance and visually. Watching an Aquatube do it's thing with the Aquajet running at night is a real treat and conversation piece. And of course not a lot of people have these setups so it can be a babe or dude magnet ;) :D
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riiiight.................

i'll be sure to let you know when i meet a woman who gives a damn about computers beyond them functioning for web browsing, e-mail and music playing. most who i know don't even mind waiting a few minutes for it to boot up.
 
DFI Daishi said:
riiiight.................

i'll be sure to let you know when i meet a woman who gives a damn about computers beyond them functioning for web browsing, e-mail and music playing. most who i know don't even mind waiting a few minutes for it to boot up.
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Well you just met one. You are living in the wrong part of the world. Come to So Cal where all the babes and dudes drool over exotic computer cooling. :cool:
 
Top Nurse said:
Well you just met one. You are living in the wrong part of the world. Come to So Cal where all the babes and dudes drool over exotic computer cooling. :cool:
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i will be sure to tell you when i meet one IRL, then.

if the weather in california didn't kill me, then my political views would. i understand that it is ever less acceptable to vote for the hammer and sickle south of the border than it is up here.

and by the by: i don't knock the "i don't care so long as it works" viewpoint. very few people use their computers for as many things as i do, and it therefore makes no difference to them if it runs a little slower.
 
DFI Daishi said:
and by the by: i don't knock the "i don't care so long as it works" viewpoint. very few people use their computers for as many things as i do, and it therefore makes no difference to them if it runs a little slower.
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Whats that supposed to mean o_O

Are you implying AC is a bit slower than other companies?
 
J-M-E said:
Whats that supposed to mean o_O

Are you implying AC is a bit slower than other companies?
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no, that was intended to apply to "most of the women i know."

i built a decently overclocked rig for my sis because she sometimes works with video editing, however i do not know any other women with fast machines and i do not know any women who care how fast their computer is, so long as it performs the above mentioned tasks adequately.

granted, i know precious few male computer enthusiasts as well, but i know a few other overclockers and a couple more who just buy high end hardware to run their games. all in all, most computer users that i know have processors substantially slower than mine is at stock speeds and hardly any of them overclock.
 
I don't mind answering your questions, but it would be nicer if you just posted this as a separate thread. And of course you would most certainly get a better response. :)
 
I had a question - define "ultimate" as it applies to the opening poster. It seems to have mutated somewhat as the thread progressed.

I was going to make a suggestion, but it seems that what I would suggest probably no longer matches the desires of the opening poster.
 
Cathar said:
I had a question - define "ultimate" as it applies to the opening poster. It seems to have mutated somewhat as the thread progressed.

I was going to make a suggestion, but it seems that what I would suggest probably no longer matches the desires of the opening poster.
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Yes, ultimate could be defined by "ultimate looks" or "ultimate performance" according to the thread direction. I think looks seemed to win, although performance wasn't sacraficed too much.
 
I was wondering if cost, noise-levels, weight, space considerations, and ease of integration into an existing case were also part of the criteria.
 
Based on the last decision, I would say cost was not a major part.
 
Cathar said:
I had a question - define "ultimate" as it applies to the opening poster. It seems to have mutated somewhat as the thread progressed.

I was going to make a suggestion, but it seems that what I would suggest probably no longer matches the desires of the opening poster.
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i would honestly like to hear your suggestion, in this thread or seperately.

do you have any comment on what kind of hardware the new thermochill rad that you apparently spec'd would be suitable for cooling, with one of the reccomended fans?
 
Well that depends on what the goals are and what is meant by "ultimate".

Pure performance, no matter the cost/space?
Cost/performance trade-off? Is cost an issue at all?
Noise considerations? What does the user define as an "acceptable" noise level?
Weight considerations? Should it be lannable/luggable/stationary?
Is it required to fit all inside a mid/tower case? If not - what's the limit - if any?
Bling-bling appeal? What additional wangles and dongles that are superfluous to a basic functioning system?

So many variations. The initial post seemed to intently focus on point #1, and possibly #2, but then went off on a tangent decided by what appears to be different criteria.

I wasn't necessarily going to make a suggestion that you seem to have decided for me that I was going to make. I was merely asking for a clarification and did not want to spend time making a suggestion that may not have been applicable.
 
DFI Daishi said:
i would honestly like to hear your suggestion, in this thread or seperately.

do you have any comment on what kind of hardware the new thermochill rad that you apparently spec'd would be suitable for cooling, with one of the reccomended fans?
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I second that!
I too, like many others, would like to know what products are recommended by Cathar to be the part of the Ultimate Watercooling System....

or what's in Cathar's loop?
 
I want to hear as well! I also want to know how one goes about getting a G4 or G5 block?
 
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