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Ubiquiti ToughSwitch...

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Does anybody have one in use?

Just looking for some feedback. I haven't seen anything out there with that feature set for that price-- but the truth always comes from actual deployment. BTW-- I am looking to operate 4 security cameras with it.
 
what kind of security cameras... be sure they're ubnt cams, because these things don't run legit 802.3af PoE....
 
goodcooper said:
what kind of security cameras... be sure they're ubnt cams, because these things don't run legit 802.3af PoE....
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The toughswitch is made by UBNT.

From the site:

TOUGHSwitch PoE
Cost effective 5-port Gigabit switch with 24V PoE support for each port. It is ideal for powering Ubiquiti airMAX, UniFi, and airVision devices.
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I think thats what he saying, use the toughswithc for UBNT cams and not others....
 
As far as I know the TOUGHSwitch supports 24V PoE (e.g.Ubiquiti units only) while the TOUGHSwitch PRO supports both 24V and 48V PoE
 
nice trick..

make cameras and use your own "standard" and now sell a switch to power them.. instead of letting people use existing PoE switches that do follow standards....
 
MrGuvernment said:
nice trick..

make cameras and use your own "standard" and now sell a switch to power them.. instead of letting people use existing PoE switches that do follow standards....
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The cameras come with PoE injectors. They also can run on a very wide range of voltage. Lots of people out there running remote Ubiquity gear on 12v and 24v solar panels without inverters or regulators. Since Ubiquity primarily sells to WISPs, this path makes more sense for them. Their gear is also sold on the insanely cheap side of the pricing scale, so it comes down to cleanliness vs price. Is saving $15,000 worth having 40 ugly power bricks behind your rack?

Edit: I should probably specify that I mean "without secondary regulators". The solar panel system provides a steady 12v or 24v that directly supplies Ubiquity gear, without any other regulators or inverters.
 
TESLA said:
As far as I know the TOUGHSwitch supports 24V PoE (e.g.Ubiquiti units only) while the TOUGHSwitch PRO supports both 24V and 48V PoE
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yes, but even those aren't 802.3af 48v....

it's a passive 48v...

yea, i was going to buy a bunch of them to run a loco+unifi as well as some voip phones in some construction trailers and it was a no-go... sucks...
 
Yeah only the pro switch and pro ap afaik use a "real" standard. Jerks.
 
wizdum said:
The cameras come with PoE injectors. They also can run on a very wide range of voltage. Lots of people out there running remote Ubiquity gear on 12v and 24v solar panels without inverters or regulators. Since Ubiquity primarily sells to WISPs, this path makes more sense for them. Their gear is also sold on the insanely cheap side of the pricing scale, so it comes down to cleanliness vs price. Is saving $15,000 worth having 40 ugly power bricks behind your rack?

Edit: I should probably specify that I mean "without secondary regulators". The solar panel system provides a steady 12v or 24v that directly supplies Ubiquity gear, without any other regulators or inverters.
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It doesn't cost $15k for POE (or even POE+) switches for 40 devices. In anything other than a very small deployment its worth the money having managed POE switches controlling remote devices.

Imagine in a wiring closet having 40 POE bricks, PDUs, the additional power cabling, etc. Not to mention with POE injectors you DOUBLE the amount of patch cables needed. That's absurd.

With a POE switch, just plug the device in. Hopefully your using switches with redundant PSU, so theres only 2 power cables and the bricks (which do fail) aren't a SPOF. Not to mention you can power cycle POE on a remote device if it hangs from the switch mgmt, can monitor wattage draw for troubleshooting, and deploying additional devices is gravy.

The cost savings ALONE from not buying decent PDUs to power 40 bricks (tripp-lite) would almost pay for a gigabit poe switch.
 
green91 said:
It doesn't cost $15k for POE (or even POE+) switches for 40 devices. In anything other than a very small deployment its worth the money having managed POE switches controlling remote devices.

Imagine in a wiring closet having 40 POE bricks, PDUs, the additional power cabling, etc. Not to mention with POE injectors you DOUBLE the amount of patch cables needed. That's absurd.

With a POE switch, just plug the device in. Hopefully your using switches with redundant PSU, so theres only 2 power cables and the bricks (which do fail) aren't a SPOF. Not to mention you can power cycle POE on a remote device if it hangs from the switch mgmt, can monitor wattage draw for troubleshooting, and deploying additional devices is gravy.

The cost savings ALONE from not buying decent PDUs to power 40 bricks (tripp-lite) would almost pay for a gigabit poe switch.
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exactly!!

ocne you get past a handful of devices, things get messy!
 
green91 said:
It doesn't cost $15k for POE (or even POE+) switches for 40 devices. In anything other than a very small deployment its worth the money having managed POE switches controlling remote devices.

Imagine in a wiring closet having 40 POE bricks, PDUs, the additional power cabling, etc. Not to mention with POE injectors you DOUBLE the amount of patch cables needed. That's absurd.

With a POE switch, just plug the device in. Hopefully your using switches with redundant PSU, so theres only 2 power cables and the bricks (which do fail) aren't a SPOF. Not to mention you can power cycle POE on a remote device if it hangs from the switch mgmt, can monitor wattage draw for troubleshooting, and deploying additional devices is gravy.

The cost savings ALONE from not buying decent PDUs to power 40 bricks (tripp-lite) would almost pay for a gigabit poe switch.
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The $15k included the cost of the cameras, as Ubiquity cameras are $100 - $800 cheaper than the competition. Either way, you pretty much repeated what I said. I have seen some very clean POE setups with Ubiquity injectors for ~20 devices, 40 is pushing it. It depends on your installation. Like I said, they mostly deal with WISPs, you're not going to see 40 devices on a remote antenna site.
 
Lol I just do a site with 15 cams and 2 unifi waps.

Can u say I like spaghetti?
 
Heh...great discussion gentlemen... funny thing though--you can't get a ToughSwitch right now if you wanted. Expected delivery: January.

I was looking at the 8 port ToughSwitch. $200 for a managed PoE switch with 150 watts to budget-- that is really cheap. So what's the tradeoff--- it isn't 802.3af compliant-- in that it does not auto-detect that a device WANTS power--it's not really plug-n-play. Instead, you have to manually designate power to a switch port through the management interface. I was OK with that hassle, given the other advantages, but I couldn't find one to buy anywhere.

So.... I went with cheap-but-good-reviews and I bought a $60 Trendnet 8 port (with 4 PoE). It will do what I need it to do for now, and so far seems to be working just fine powering 4 Dahua IP cams. :)
 
I JUST bought and got 2. Bought some waps at the same time as well.
 
They have 48v to 24v converters for their gear. You can use regular poe switches then with out having to do the silly poe injectors. The adapters are only $20 each. IMHO for that cheap they should be built into their devices and just raise the cost by $20.
 
feffrey said:
They have 48v to 24v converters for their gear. You can use regular poe switches then with out having to do the silly poe injectors. The adapters are only $20 each. IMHO for that cheap they should be built into their devices and just raise the cost by $20.
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Do you have a link? I'd rather not get the converter and pay more as I don't have any POE switches other than the toughswitches.
 
Wow, thanks, I'll keep that in mind in the future. You still get something extra to put in-line though, but at least its not something that needs to be plugged in.
 
If anyone is wondering, the 24v PoE that Ubiquiti uses comes from their legacy as primarily a WISP equipment manufacturer...

24v was/is a telecom power standard commonly used at cellular sites for their equipment. Many of the first commercial WISP equipment manufacturers also made equipment for cellular networks (think Motorola) and stuck with 24v for I would imagine cost being the primary reason as 24v is completely passive. 803.2af requires an additional chip to negotiate and setup power delivery. The 24v standard does not.
 
I didnt read everything here but not all IP cameras are the same.. in fact every one is usually different when it comes to power.

While you may be able to power up any IP camera with a PoE switch some cameras require MORE power... not to say they need 48v over 24v but need more wattage..

A Max PoE switch will provide 15.4w of power on the PoE channel which is necessary for most IP cameras that have IR lights built in... so check your specs... a cheap $200 PoE switch may not work with your particular camera... but for a generic cheap-o IP camera chances are most PoE switches will work... same goes for injectors... check your actual power supply plugged into the injector to see first if its 24v or 48v and your wattage
 
Adam said:
I didnt read everything here but not all IP cameras are the same.. in fact every one is usually different when it comes to power.

While you may be able to power up any IP camera with a PoE switch some cameras require MORE power... not to say they need 48v over 24v but need more wattage..

A Max PoE switch will provide 15.4w of power on the PoE channel which is necessary for most IP cameras that have IR lights built in... so check your specs... a cheap $200 PoE switch may not work with your particular camera... but for a generic cheap-o IP camera chances are most PoE switches will work... same goes for injectors... check your actual power supply plugged into the injector to see first if its 24v or 48v and your wattage
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You should read the thread then your post ;)
 
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