u2311h - need help

Found dynamic contrast...

Why does it suck so much?

Comparing to my asus, the contrast is terrible.. It's like I'm looking through a gray fog on my screen. What's up with this?
 
Dynamic contrast on the U2311h isn't much to write home about. You're better off adjusting contrast manually. Should be in the 900-1,000 range.
 
So, it will always look like I'm viewing it through a gray haze?

I'm about ready to send it back.

Can I send it back because it's tearing the image?
 
Huh is it really that bad?

I am going to be buying 6 of these soon, and would like some confirmation...didnt think it was that bad? Got any pics of it?
 
icor1031 said:
So, it will always look like I'm viewing it through a gray haze?

I'm about ready to send it back.

Can I send it back because it's tearing the image?
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It shouldn't look like that at all. Pics would help. Call them up, they can send you a new one.
 
Dell on left...

:(

The photos don't quite do it justice. You get an idea what it's doing, but I'll tell you the right looks MUCH better. The left is like a gray haze over every thing. The contrast is absolutely terrible.

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icor1031, could you take comparison photos using the Lagom black level test on screen (press F11 in browser to maximize it)?

It may be difficult to photograph, but what range of blacks can you see on your ASUS with the above test?
 
Another thing is that, although the IPS shows more shades of "black," it's deepest black isn't as dark as the TN.

But it's the gray haze that really gets me... :(
 
icor1031 said:
Another thing is that, although the IPS shows more shades of "black," it's deepest black isn't as dark as the TN.

But it's the gray haze that really gets me... :(
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From your pics, it looks like the brightness is set too high on the Dell and your Asus has some pretty pronounced black crush. Try to adjust brightness to 30 and contrast to 75-80. Keep dynamic contrast off. If you're still having trouble, Dell will replace it.
 
Yeah, the asus has terrible black crush.

But even look at the Shades of colors like green and brown. The dell looks hazy. It's like there's a gray filter over every thing... the difference between various shades of a color are so small. "Color crush?" lol ;)

I tried your settings, looks the same. I was already pretty close to those settings. I've tried playing with gamma and brightness in NVCP, it can help but it's still way off.

You're saying Dell will replace my monitor.. when I posed in the Dell U2311H thread, they told me dynamic contrast doesn't do much with this monitor..

I'm just trying to say, why would I think my next monitor be any better?
 
You are confusing contrast with gamma. Contrast wouldn't make colors look hazy, only black. The ASUS looks like it has very bad gamma calibration, making most of the colors darker than they should be and crushing the darkest details. If you want your Dell to look like that, play with the gamma slider in your video card's settings, although I'm not sure if that will affect games.
 
Dell's replacement process is wonderful. It's possible you just got a bad one. Maybe the AG coating was botched, I don't really know.

Have you tried it on a different computer? Make sure gamma is set properly to PC/MAC
 
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LLmerc, I'm duplicating screens. Both the asus and dell have the exact same settings.

Yes, it's set to PC. I had tried it on MAC, didn't see much difference.

Also, lowing the gamma on the dell helps, but it's still way off from the quality of the Asus.

The gamma can be changed in-game. I did that, it still looks hazy.



Look at the batches of trees in my photo, for example... They're not BLACK, so I don't think that's the black crush? But they're much darker. It's (to me) like the Dell has a much more limited variation between bright and dark shades.
 
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That's because the dynamic contrast on the ASUS is screwing with the colors. The viewing angles on the ASUS is also making the top darker than the bottom, making them impossible to match.

I'm in Photoshop trying to get the Dell to match the ASUS in your picture, and the best I can come up with is to actually leave the gamma alone and lower the brightness and increase the contrast by the same amount. That will basically skew the gamma curve so all the colors are darker, but that will also crush the darkest shades, which is what the ASUS is doing.

Edit: By brightness and contrast, I mean do that through your video card settings, not the monitor. The monitor has true brightness/contrast controls which won't do the same thing.
 
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Yeah, the viewing angles aren't perfect. (on either. The dell gives the 'glow')

I've tried high contrast low brightness default gamma... still no where near.. but thank you . :) (the settings don't go That Far, I imagine.)

IOW, the dynamic contrast on the Asus is way stronger than that of the dell.. and I can either have color accuracy and look through a gray haze, or I can give up the color accuracy and have strong distinctions in color shades?
 
Honestly, I know exactly what you're looking for because properly-calibrated VA panels look washed out to me in the same way you're complaining about, but in that case, it was due to the viewing angles. The only way to counteract that was to use a non-standard gamma curve that affects darker colors more than lighter colors, so I did the brightness/contrast thing until I started using IPS panels.

It seems you want to go further and use a similar non-standard gamma curve to give the illusion of more contrast, but that's not a feature most monitors have. The ASUS just happens to do something like that with its dynamic contrast feature, but I haven't seen any IPS monitors with a similar feature. I did try a couple of EIZO monitors with VA panels that had a mode that basically does what you want, and the dynamic contrast feature also did something similar, but EIZO monitors are expensive. VA monitors also have higher contrast for a deeper black, which would also help do what you want with less crushing. Beyond that, I'm not sure you'll find what you're looking for.
 
Hmm.. Now I'm faced with a dilemma.

I used an ICC and roughly the settings on tft-central.. It's better, but still off.. However, the colors are still good (obviously) and it has great black levels.. I can see all the way down to the "1" box in that black-level test. The blackest black still isn't as deep, but it's not bad. It might just be me, but I can see a difference from the bottom-right compared to the bottom left. It seems to have a red/purple tint (IPS glow I imagine.)

All this, and it's not blindingly bright. My, how much a difference good settings can make. :D

It sucks for gaming, though.


The dilemma is,

If I use this IPS for general use and my ASUS for gaming, that means I have to move my speakers whenever I change from listening to music, to playing games. And, that means I only have 1 monitor in front of me, instead of 2.

Hmm...
 
You can see how much of her face is missing in one, and the off-color of the man's face on the side.. Bleh.
 
the dell is showing black were is suppose to be black, look:



So the rest of the image is meant to be washed out.
 
icor1031 said:
You can see how much of her face is missing in one, and the off-color of the man's face on the side.. Bleh.
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I just looked at the page in those pictures, and both are way off. I don't know if it's your camera or if it's the settings you're using, but they're both way too dark. In the first picture, the gamma setting seems to be too dark, and in second picture, it's like the contrast setting is too high with the brightness setting too low, crushing all the details.

Also, when I mean brightness and contrast settings, I mean the video card's settings. The contrast should be left to default on most LCD monitors, and the brightness on the monitor just controls the backlight, so it should be set to a comfortable level.
 
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