AthlonXP
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I had this argument with someone about this as well. The person did not even realize that almost 70% of our electricity is still from coal.
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I am going to call bull on the OP stats. In the Interior of Alaska most every single parking spot has a standard 120V/30A outlet that you can plug stuff in all day long. If I had to estimate I'd say that there are approximately 30k parking spaces with plug-ins.
Then again, doesn't surprise me that they don't count Alaska as being part of the U.S., happens all the time.
I had this argument with someone about this as well. The person did not even realize that almost 70% of our electricity is still from coal.
I just picked a random zip code in Houston and I can see that there's at least 30-50 stations in the Houston metro. Would you may have to modify your route if you are the type that drive 100 miles a day? yes, but stop assuming that since you haven't seen any obvious chargers then you can't drive a 'normal' distance, but since you said it's being shoved down your throat I know where you got your misinformation from. http://www.afdc.energy.gov/locator/...e&ev_dc_fast=true&radius=true&radius_miles=50
According the government link I provided earlier only 30% of our power comes from coal (unless you are in China ) ... Natural gas is now the dominant power source for the USA because of the low price and ready supply and it is much easier from a regulatory standpoint and the NIMBY factor associated with coal and nuclear
Honestly, I have never found any decent arguments that supports either side. Very often both sides leave out key details like one might say "Do you see the damage mining for coal does..." ignoring how gasoline just comes out of a spigot for easy use... or saying centrally powered energy is cheaper and cleaner, where as not actually providing any actual data as to how it's cleaner considering we definitely put emission standards on cars.it was always explained to me that electricity mass generated centrally and then transmitted was more efficient than having millions of separate engines.
is this true?
Ain't that the truth, sometimes you wonder with all this arguing against electric vehicles if they haven't actually experienced massive smog due to auto exhaust, either Los Angeles on a summer day... which is relatively clean compared to many other large cities around the world. Mexico City had to implement days you are allowed to drive your car, Rome is filty as fuck, in Taipei if you are wearing a white shirt at the airport going out to catch a cab will turn your shirt to a dingy greyish white there's so much damn pollution.but yeah, id rather have the pollution be generated somewhere other than where i live.
it was always explained to me that electricity mass generated centrally and then transmitted was more efficient than having millions of separate engines.
is this true?
but yeah, id rather have the pollution be generated somewhere other than where i live.
I had this argument with someone about this as well. The person did not even realize that almost 70% of our electricity is still from coal.
That Natural Gas number by the way is the largest change in the chart. It will eventually take over coal for the US. It may be that we have more natural gas than coal.
Uh, how is burning dirty heavily polluting coal not using "fossil fuels"?
It amazes me how little people understand about how electricity is generated, and how the idea of an electric car is just as bad as one with a gasoline burning internal combustion engine, from an environmental standpoint.
But where we are now, most of the US plant capacity is in coal. Nice, dirty, old, coal. Factor in the pollution not only from direct burning but coal fuel shipping, the efficiency negation of power-line transmission...and you're probably not going to be much ahead of a fleet of cars.
I had this argument with someone about this as well. The person did not even realize that almost 70% of our electricity is still from coal.
...What am I suppose to do with the electric car when I can't go visit the in-laws, or the batteries need replaced? All I was trying to point out is that in my area it isn't over that hump yet, and instead of trying to promote that it is, continue r&d.
We are the Saudi Arabia of natural gas. Which is why suddenly 'fracking' which we've been doing for over 60 years is suddenly going to kill the planet.
What do you think they are doing? That is what these grants are there for to promote R&D. If you start pimping the technology you need the infrastructure to support it. What good are electric cars if there are no charging stations. You need a new definition of forcing something down your throat. Maybe try China or North Korea as a new place to live if you think electric cars are being forced on you.
The emergence of electric cars has increased car manufactures need to improve technology in their gas engines. My Optima turbo gets 40mpg on the highway at 65mph and about 34mpg if I park it at 85. My old Prius got 45MPG on the highway if I drove at 60mph and I never drove that at 70mph or above.
Electric cars are a good thing but I'm holding out until we get George Jetson flying cars.
he moved the goalposts so no matter what his position isn't going to change. Kohls and Whole foods are Niche places when those are likely the spots that people who drive those cars will go. he believes that 50 miles round trip to/from Houston can't be done in the cars when most have 100+ mile range, and then the standard rants on "what will I do if I need to leave town?" (take your normal car, or rent one) and "what If I need to replace the batteries?" (the warranties on Leafs is 8 years, and cells can be individually replaced) No one said that electric vehicles will be the only car you need and as for battery life, The Prius has been around for 13+ years now, have we heard a lot of reports of battery failures? Not really, and there's an aftermarket for refurbished units.
I'm in Atlanta, where commuters often live 50+ miles away from where they work and I see Leafs, Volts and rarely Teslas almost daily. clearly some people are making it work. and maybe truly he can't but no one is shoving anything down his throat.
I want an EV that is smaller than 170"x65", seats at least two adults comfortably, can go 200 miles at 80MPH on a single charge, charges in under 8 hours, gets to 60MPH in under 4 seconds, looks good, fits a guy who's over six feet tall, weighs less than 3,000lbs, and costs under $40,000. It also needs to be very simple to work on, because I love to tinker. All the "Extras" should be able to be turned off - ABS, Traction control, automatic seatbelts, etc - I don't care. I don't want or need that crap. I would, however, like an electric heater (instant heat in the winter), A/C, cruise control, and power windows.Once EV's can do 225 miles per charge AND cost under $25,000 I'll bite
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How an EV is powered
Coal/Hydro/Thermal/Solar/Nuclear > power lines > Battery inside EV > Electric Motor
How an Internal Combustion engine is powered
Coal/Hydro/Thermal/Solar/Nuclear > electricity to power Offices to determine where to drill for oil > electricity to power drilling rig site + Camp to house all those workers > electricity to power Pipeline, tankers or ships to move oil refinery site > electricity to power oil refinery to process crude oil > electricity to power another pipeline, tanker, ship transport stage > electricity to power a 24/7 gas station > burn inside of engine
How an EV is powered
Coal/Hydro/Thermal/Solar/Nuclear > power lines > Battery inside EV > Electric Motor