Trolled by detiger [BEWARE]

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carloboy

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Hi,

I just wanted to share my cross trading experience with a guy named detiger...

The deal (1.5 - 2months ago) was for my Maxtor 250Gb drive & 1gb of corsiar ram in exchange for his Nokia n-gage & Mavica digital camera. I sent my stuff a few days later
http://www.carloboy.com/detiger/
i took a picture of my reciept, i keep all my reciepts just in case someone needs verification.

A whole month passes by and basically nothing, coincidentally he tells me that he sent out his stuff too and never got anything from me. I just find it hard to believe that USPS would actually loose both out packges.

All the evidence that i have was just a copy of the reciept with no tracking so i thought i couldnt do much with this and almost gave up.

Just this afternoon though, i got a email from this guy(removed) that hangs around anandtech and was asking about my deal with detiger because i left that guy a negative heat. I told him, nothing happened didnt recive anything and claims that i trolled him.

Suprisingly detiger was trying to sell a Sony Mavica FD200 to removed through PM's, the exact same camera that we were dealing for. Detiger has 2-3 FS threads in anandtech and never mentioned a mavica for obvious reasons, he knows that i do check his FS threads.

The anandtech mod kindly and quickly helped me investigate detigers PM's and found this...

detiger
08/16/2005 03:24 PM

hey, im not sure how late i am but are you still looking for a sony mavica, i have a 2mp one

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*****
08/16/2005 08:14 PM

I picked up another this afternoon on ebay, but as it turns out my parents seem to need a steady supply of them... this is one of the floppy drive models, right? Do you have the model # handy? Any idea how much you'd want for it?

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detiger
08/16/2005 10:19 PM

hey, yea the model off the mavica is a mvc-fd200, its 2 mp

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detiger
08/16/2005 10:46 PM

detiger you online?

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*****
08/17/2005 07:33 AM

Hey, pretty sure the FD200 would work fine for them - how much would you want for it?

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detiger
08/17/2005 10:46 PM
make an offer, i checked ebay most of them are list for around 185

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detiger
08/17/2005 10:50 PM
i can let you have this for 105, im includeing a 128mb card too

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*****
08/17/2005 10:51 PM

Hmm, I can do that - what works best for you?

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*****
08/17/2005 10:54 PM

Sorry, let me rephrase, been a long day. How do you want to go about payment, shipping, etc? Do you use heatware or anything like that?

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detiger
08/17/2005 10:57 PM

ok, i have ebay and heat both under reddevil96, i accept non cc paypal, and ill ship with in 48 usually same day via priority, with DC.

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*****
08/17/2005 10:58 PM

Cool, I'm just about to crash, but I'll try to send you the $ via paypal tomorrow and give you my shipping addr etc... if for some reason you don't hear from me by tomorrow afternoon shoot me a reminder at *****@gmail.com ...

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detiger
08/17/2005 11:00 PM

hey, i did a little research on ebay and these cams are at least 150 with out mem card, so if you dont mind im going to ask for a littl e more cash.
or do yo have anything for trasde?

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*****
08/17/2005 11:17 PM

Sorry man, head to ebay for a bidding war. :) I don't need the camera that badly, any of the .9 mpix ones do everything I need.... just trying to help people clean out their junk!

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detiger
08/17/2005 11:23 PM

ok, i understand ow about 110 just to cover shipping fees?

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detiger
08/18/2005 08:22 AM

still interestred?

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*****
08/18/2005 09:41 AM

Sure, I'll take it for $110. However it won't brake my heart if you want to sell it another way - no hard feelings if you think you can get more for it. Let me know...

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detiger
08/18/2005 10:00 AM

ill do it for camera alone, do you actually use the memory card, or do your parents use it?

ill sell you the cam alone for 110 shipped, the memory stick for 20$ more.

my paypal addy is reddevil96@gmail.com

i will send you the camera based on how much money you will send, please include shipping address in paypal also, i will ost likely ship with in 24 hours and use priority by USPS.

thanks for your time and business.

geoff

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detiger
08/18/2005 05:17 PM

hey let me know what you want to do

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*****
08/18/2005 05:24 PM

Ok now Geoff, I've never had anyone try to sell me something and then change the price/item 3 times over the course of a day.

I'll tell you what. I will give you $120 for the camera alone, which I think is a fair price considering this is newer than the others I have been buying. I'm assuming you have the battery/charger/etc as well.

I don't desperately need the memory card.

HOWEVER, between the price changes and the somewhat scathing heatware eval (and you've only been buying/selling for a month or two?) I just can't pay in advance. I've been on here forever, I own the domain *****.com, you can find me on ebay as *****, and hey, my name is ***** ***** too. I'm certainly not going anywhere.

If you're up for shipping first, I will be happy to send you paypal or certified funds for $120 when I receive the camera. Otherwise, no big deal, but I'll have to pass.

Let me know...
*****

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detiger
08/18/2005 05:36 PM

ok, ill include the mem card, bt i relized today when i was gathering the stuff for te cam i dont hae the charger, but im sure hey are cheap somewhere.

as for my heat, thats only n ngy, hes a jerk he ripped me of and said i scammd him.

my heat is flawless besides himi have just completed a couple of deals in the last day or two, they have went well.

if youre still interested in this cam i can give you the mem card, cam, and cam battery for 120 shipped.
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He is secretly selling the camera to someone else (and ebaying it, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=30004&item=7539743027) , the deal officially started here but it spilled over to aandtech while i was trying to PM detiger.

He claims to have two of the exact same item both used (heh called out my name when you posted, nice excuse), all i can say is shens wrapped in bs.

thanks for reading
~carlo
 
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i dont have much time to deal with this issue anymore, i already see im not going to get my stuff back from you, if i recall i wasnt able to sell the second camera becuase the guy needed the charger and i shipped you the charger with my other camera.

please leave me alone, im done dealing with this issue, unless you plan on giveing my stuff back.
 
Hey Carloboy,

If USPS was used and there has been an issue of not receiving your packages, I would file a mail fraud with the USPS and have the US government sort that out. Did you get delivery confirmation with your package? it is only $.55 but it sure helps with the hassles.
Good luck. Looks like the seller was a little shady with his going back and forth on the prices etc...Definitely keep the records of everything for the mail fraud filing.
 
I traded detiger a Xbox for his MP3 player.

the mp3 player does not work any longer, and never worked right I couldn't complain much as he claimed my Xbox was broken on arrival and I never saw him online again then when he came online he said he parted it out. I didn't bother complaining about it becuase it wouldn't be provable that my Xbox was working right, and his mp3 player actually did work at the time and just went downhill from there. I even left a positive heat because it worked, even as crappy as it was.

I figured it would have been easier to avoid conflict on my deal because I'm slowly repairing it, and just have some soldering to do.
 
magnuspah said:
Hey Carloboy,

If USPS was used and there has been an issue of not receiving your packages, I would file a mail fraud with the USPS and have the US government sort that out. Did you get delivery confirmation with your package? it is only $.55 but it sure helps with the hassles.
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Yeah i should have included it, i was using the kiosk and forgot to "add services" for the confirmation by the time i realized the machine was already printing out a sticker. I do include it in all my transactions now though :)

to LadyMakoFox: deshou....this guys tactic is to blame exactly the same thing your blaming him for. Not recive any items?, he didnt recive anything as well. Broken on delivery? same thing he got your item broken as well. Acts like a pre-teen, wants to be all calm and mature when posting in the public but he actually sent me a PM that looks like it was written by a 13 yr old with a fit.

detiger: dude stop with the BS, your all talk but cant back anything up. you dont have proof whatsoever and no i dont plan to give anything back to you, as if i recieved anything...
Yeah ***** told me you were being a pain with all your price and item changes, good for him that he didnt want to deal with someone like you. 2nd camera? lmfao give me a break, you dont have 2 used cameras with the exact same model. kthx.
 
wow thats great to hear, its probably one of the mods here or at anandtech that contacted ebay.
 
carloboy said:
wow thats great to hear, its probably one of the mods here or at anandtech that contacted ebay.
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A slight variation from the thread topic, but I have dealt with Carloboy in the past and had no issues at all.

And would do so again.

Good luck straightening this out..
 
I don't think hes seen my post yet.
[17:20] gEofFreY87719: hey
[17:20] gEofFreY87719: need a digital camera?
[17:27] PrincessMakoFox: no
[17:27] gEofFreY87719: ok
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detiger said:
i dont have much time to deal with this issue anymore, i already see im not going to get my stuff back from you, if i recall i wasnt able to sell the second camera becuase the guy needed the charger and i shipped you the charger with my other camera.

please leave me alone, im done dealing with this issue, unless you plan on giveing my stuff back.
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Are you refusing to resolve this?
 
jordan12 said:
A slight variation from the thread topic, but I have dealt with Carloboy in the past and had no issues at all.

And would do so again.

Good luck straightening this out..
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i appreciate for the vote of confidence jordan :D

LadyMakoFox said:
I don't think hes seen my post yet.
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wow damn, this guy just does not stop. thanks for posting that.
 
carloboy said:
i appreciate for the vote of confidence jordan :D



wow lol, this guy just does not stop.
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Well I figured trying to sell me a camera would be a bad idea, I mean sure if he shipped first I'd consider it but his Mp3 player falling apart makes me wana scream, "Hell no."
 
posting a small snippet (as suggested by a fellow [H]'er acegoober) of one of our conversations when things started to get fishy...

carloboy said:
", but i figure ill just take it as a loss"

you see, thats exactly the attitude that im very suspicious about. You easily take it as a loss and want to forget about it, you brush off at least $200 worth of stuff. A normal trader would never do that. Plus the fact that you never contact me wanting for updates, i always have to keep reminding you that we have a cross-trade deal going on.

I sent out 5 packages along with yours, i dont waste $6.85 to send out garbage.
http://heatware.com/eval.php?id=35888
As you can see in my heatware i did 6 sucessful transactions(not including those who didnt leave me heat) during that time period that i mailed your package and you are not an exception.

I will not take this as a loss, i will do everything i can to get an investigation going.


detiger said:
i am sorry dude, i feel the same way about this as you do, but i figure ill just take it as a loss, and i have learned my lesson as tto cross shipping and, not get insurance or DC. but i feel as though i have been trolled also.

that recipt doesnt prove anything, as far as i know you could have just sent a box with stuff in it to my same zip code.




carloboy said:
That means im going to open a complaint to trollhunters and contact your local PD for an investigation if i dont recieve anything by August 6.
Im sorry but telling me you shipped it priority 2 weeks ago but without any proof and taking this long, what else should i be thinking? Plus telling me you havent recieved anything as well is just too convinient and an easy excuse for a troll. I dont what to point fingers right now as i believe 2 weeks is still too early, thats why im giving this until next month.

If you can find that reciept then i'll change my opinion and go start bitching at USPS. But for now that "i havent gotten your item too..." thing is just too troll-ish.

detiger said:
what do you mean by that? because i havent recieved anything either.


carloboy said:
ok plz do.

ppl keep telling me that i got trolled even the mod did but i'll give this a few days. if you dont have any proof at all that you sent it out imgoing to do what i have to do.

detiger said:
idk, i may be able to find it, but i dont keep recipts usually

carloboy said:
do you have a reciept?

detiger said:
it was jc lopez, and somewhere in texas, this is you right?

carloboy said:
tell me the address you sent to.

detiger said:
yea, i find that hard to believe also. I shipped USPS priority, im not sure what could have happened.


carloboy said:
Still no package here, man...

I don't believe that both our packages were lost in transit. Who is your carrier? Man ive been waiting for quite a long time already...

detiger said:
carloboy said:
i'll be going to the post office today and check if i have any items there, i'll let you know. but i sure do hope you sent them out when you said you did.
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i did, do you have a conf# for the HD or anything?
i have a rural carrier so ill check with the PO also.
no one should have been able to steal my package so, i dont think that was a possiblity
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Sounds like a kid to me....the only carrier that has ever lost a package for me was UPS....and that was from the horrible service of Theupsstore :|
 
I dont like the way things are done here, Im leaving this forum, as well as other forums.
once some claims you are a scammer or "troll", everyone jumps on the bandwagon, of whoever the accuser is, and makes it hard for the trader in question.
 
ha i cant beleive your last post, so many valid points have been brought up
fist packages to not get lost, maybe 1 in 100000 if that, so 1/100000x1/100000, the odds speak for themself
and your comment that om you sent him, that showed you were the troll, no doubt in my mind
third you have a horrible track record, you tried to sell the same item 3 times and you return everyones complaint with thier same complaint.
i have had unfavorable sales, like recently (as of a day ago) i got a 630$ lean on my paypal acc. because i lacked a restore cd that i shoulda sent, you know wht i did, i searched high and low to find one and found one from another forum member for 30 bucks, i dont give a fuck about 30 bucks if it solves a problem like this, how can you be such a scumbag, when you say your leaving you think anyones gonna say, comeon guy, stay, rip of more people
 
detiger said:
I dont like the way things are done here, Im leaving this forum, as well as other forums.
once some claims you are a scammer or "troll", everyone jumps on the bandwagon, of whoever the accuser is, and makes it hard for the trader in question.
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Ok let me get this straight, i am not randomly accusing you. I have proof to backup everything i said here. Your just making it hard on yourself not other other people here, prove your innocence.

Last i heard your acct was locked a few days ago by the anandtech moderator, he found it fit because he saw the proof himself (even before i did). Same with eBay, they closed down your acution after reading the facts.

I believe i gave you more than enough time to deliver the goods, i gave you a benefit of the doubt even after people said i was trolled a few weeks ago but there is a limit.

Don't tell me your "done" with this forum, even if this is the internet, not coming back to the site doesnt meant your free from your obligations. The mod gave me full contact info on you and IP ready in hand if i need to file a complaint to your ISP and local PD.
 
detiger said:
I dont like the way things are done here, Im leaving this forum, as well as other forums.
once some claims you are a scammer or "troll", everyone jumps on the bandwagon, of whoever the accuser is, and makes it hard for the trader in question.
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That is not entirely true. There are many of us, not bypassing the Admin or mods, who look at the evidence presented from both sides.

If you had provided valid evidence, and exhibited the attitude that you wanted to resolve this situation in a civilized manner, then there would have been less, if any, malice toward you.

As of your last post, it is stated 'you don't have time to deal with the situation anymore'. Welcome to the real world where exhibiting responsibility unto yourself and others pertaining to any situation, make others develop a sense as to the type of person you really are.

Refusing to further invest any of your time to resolve this situation and saying that you are leaving this forum and other forums only compounds the situation at hand. From your actions, you can expect to be 'hounded' (for lack of a better description) until the situation has been resolved.

As a final addition to my comments, failure to keep any transaction record (shipping slips, etc) is definitely not a good business practice.

Admins/Mods: From my history, you all know that I do not (except for a couple of times of st00pidity) post comments to any thread unless I have something constructive to add to the topic at hand. I do, however, make no apologies to what I have stated.
 
since everyone is accusing me, would this solve anything, i offer the 2nd sony cam to carloboy, but thats the only thing i can offer to resolve this issue.
 
Do you have any receipts as to your shipping claim?

detiger said:
since everyone is accusing me, would this solve anything, i offer the 2nd sony cam to carloboy, but thats the only thing i can offer to resolve this issue.
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detiger said:
since everyone is accusing me, would this solve anything, i offer the 2nd sony cam to carloboy, but thats the only thing i can offer to resolve this issue.
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Tiger, you wont "offer" him, you will give him what you agreed to crosstrade for. Stop BSing everyone, and we shouldn't all have to "accuse" you to get you to resolve this issue. You should understand you can get in serious trouble for this, from all the information given it looks like you are attempting to STEAL something.
 
detiger said:
since everyone is accusing me, would this solve anything, i offer the 2nd sony cam to carloboy, but thats the only thing i can offer to resolve this issue.
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Im sure that would bring this to an end.....if you truely did lose one in the mail, I feel sorry for you..

In the future, make sure to ship with DC and insurance..It makes a situation like this, much more avoidable...
 
detiger said:
since everyone is accusing me, would this solve anything, i offer the 2nd sony cam to carloboy, but thats the only thing i can offer to resolve this issue.
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I will accpet this "2nd" camera, but what happened to the n-gage, did you sell it on ebay? I actually don't need the n-gage anymore as my brother's birthday already passed on July 28 and had to buy another from ebay.

Ok, i guess this is another proof that i have, i can contact the girl that i met up with through ebay in my area to buy it off her cash. She can provide a statement (with our email exchanges as well) that i bought another n-gage as a birthday present.

I'll accept that camera + $30 cash. n-gages go for $80-$100 on ebay so asking a fraction of that cost shoudn't be unreasonable.

If you can accept this offer, it'll resolve the issue.
 
Crosshairs said:
Im sure that would bring this to an end.....if you truely did lose one in the mail, I feel sorry for you..

In the future, make sure to ship with DC and insurance..It makes a situation like this, much more avoidable...
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People should forget about shipping via USPS.

I'm only using FedEx Ground/Home Delivery now a days.

It's cheap, fast, more secure, Home Delivery offers Saturday deliveries, and most importantly, you get tracking info and proof of delivery.
 
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More proof he received your package. I checked his PM's under his new account, and he offered a 512 MB stick of PC3200 RAM to zasteeg.

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Ok forget my last msg, i want everything we agreed upon. Last time i remmeber you were "desperately" in need of ram. Now your wanting to sell some to another guy? Thats BS, i want my my stuff now!

the mods at anand already contacted a local member in urbana, IL and is willing to file a complaint.

dude you have just been owned... http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=45&threadid=1668858
 
Just finished filing a fraud claim from that FBI link.

I guess we can call this guy an official troll by now with all the evidence shown.

Claims that he sent out his stuff (camera and phone) and didnt get my stuff that i sent (250gb maxtor and 1gb ram corsiar value)

But in reality, he was trying to sell the camera, phone and corsiar ram through PM's and eBay.

I hope your ready to get some ass whooping from your mommy and daddy soon because im calling up your local PD tonight and thorny from anandtech will come along as escort and observer.

Owned! Maybe i'll ask thorny to take some pictures on the scene. :p
 
detiger said:
since everyone is accusing me, would this solve anything, i offer the 2nd sony cam to carloboy, but thats the only thing i can offer to resolve this issue.
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Hey detiger, I want to buy your Mavica. Please post pictures of the camera with the serial number in this thread :D
 
carloboy said:
Owned! . :p
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Although he has been outed on Anandtech already for being a troll and banned there, he has not yet been labelled a bad trader here or banned here so I would advise everyone to proceed with caution if you see this cat in the FS/T thread.
 
Detiger: Please PM me your phone number. I will call you on my dime.

There is more going on than what has been presented.

To everyone else: I am not taking sides. Please do not misconstrue this as such.

If any of you feel the urgent need to respond to my post, then may I ask that you think thoroughly before making a statement you cannot back up.
 
Sounds fair to me, even though he lost all my trust on the MP3 player I'm having to repair or replace.
 
Yes, which the seller is responsible for the operating condition of the item they are selling. However, it falls upon the buyer to validate the operating condition of the item they received and respond to the seller as to such condition.

In this case, the seller and buyer have not been able to confirm receipt of said items. If ether of them had received the items in argument, then this conversation would not have happened.
 
AceGoober said:
Yes, which the seller is responsible for the operating condition of the item they are selling. However, it falls upon the buyer to validate the operating condition of the item they received and respond to the seller as to such condition.
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If this is about my post, I didn't see him online for a good amount of time and only to find out my half of the deal mysterously was broken too and was parted out before I could even have a chance to get it returned if I wanted. I just cut my losses as it at the time apeared to only be a small fix and did work.

I'm not gonna call him a troll as I don't know what happened between those two, and its kinda the same for others veiwing this ordeal. I would suggest doing what they felt was of their best interest on dealing with any of us, myself included.


Myself on crosstrades or items I sell that I set prices shipped with, I put insurance, and/or delievery conf. on them I found it the best way to do buisness period.

edit: *items I sell that*
 
yes sir already did(FBI and usps fraud center).

im just waiting for a tracking number tomorrow, he said he was going to ship 3 items to me, ram, camera and the cellphone. if i dont get it tomorrow then i'l involve local police.
 
actually, im sticking to your guys original agreement, youre getting the camera and the ngage, and youre not owning me. i have nothing to do with this, im just resolving the issue
 
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