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Trade BenQ V2400W for $250-$400 monitor?

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I just ordered an awesome PC from AVADirect for my Dad and it turned out awesome. Now I need to get him a nice monitor, at least 24" to 27". I have a BenQ V2400W LCD myself (sits next to a Dell 2209WA), do you guys think I should give it to my Dad and order the NEC EA231WMi? I feel like the NEC would blow the the BenQ away PQ wise and for gaming (my most important use). My Dad definetly doesn't need something like the NEC, I just want to get him something big, and I hope 24" is big enough. Plus, the BenQ really is a quality display. If not, I'm considering some 26" or 27" LCDs also. Any recommendations? What do you guys think? Would you take the NEC over the Benq? I feel like it's a fairly simple answer, although I definitely would rather the NEC be 24". Or is there another monitor better in the $250-$400 range?
 
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NEC is not meant for gaming, it is aimed at people who will benifit from accurate color reproduction and ergonomics. It also performs like a 5ms TN when it comes to gaming.

Unless you have a calibration unit you are only going to benift from the viewing anlges and ergonomics, all things which you don't need for gaming. If you want to give the Ben Q away and get another gaming monitor you can get the Acer H243H which is 200-230$ at NCIX/New Egg/Best Buy

Review

http://www.digitalversus.com/article-357-7266-38.html

Review of NEC for comparison

http://www.digitalversus.com/article-357-7773-52.html

You might like the NEC for movies and can use the Dell for gaming. If you live in Canada or certain parts of Europe you can get the Samsung F2380M (Europe) or the F2380MX (white bezel and is better than the M) for 330$. It's way better than the NEC and should be around the same price. Don't mistake the F2380M/MX for the regular F2380

Review
http://www.digitalversus.com/article-357-6293-36.html

Giving away the Ben Q and getting the NEC is also kind of pointles as it is only slightly better than the Dell in the contrast department and size, but is slower for gaming.

2209wa VS NEC
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=88&mo1=477&p1=4862&ma2=52&mo2=671&p2=7773&ph=1

NEC vs Acer H243H
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=38&mo1=625&p1=7266&ma2=52&ph=1

NEC vs Samsung F2380M
http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6&ma1=36&mo1=571&p1=6293&ma2=52&mo2=671&p2=7773&ph=1
 
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The only real 'disadvantage' the BenQ V2400W has over those other monitors is that its TN...which makes it a great monitor for fast paced gaming.

It seems like a downgrade going to that NEC which is also smaller screensize and resolution. (1080 vs 1200 vertical)
 
But shouldn't the overall superior PQ of the NEC make games look better on it than on the BenQ? From what I've read at Prad and Digital Versus, the NEC is very suitable for gaming because of its low input lag. Add that in with its excellent colors, black depth, and contrast it seems as though you'd have a pretty good gaming monitor.

The only problems I have with the NEC:
-23", would prefer 24" or larger, but hopefully 23" is not too different from 24"
-uniformity/color blotch issues people are having scare me
 
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The Samsung F2380M is marginally faster than the NEC and has less input lag and over 3x the contrast. The Acer also has a higher contrast ratio and deeper black level when being set near 120cdm/2 which I believe is what Prad has it set to (800:1 and 0.14 where as the ACER is 990:1 and 0.10), is a faster panel and also has less input lag. For your uses these would be an upgrade.

If you have a calibration unit (100-250$) you will benifit from the NEC's color quality, sense it performs like a 5ms (ben Q is 5ms) panel, once calibrated it would be an improvement over the Ben Q in terms of color qaulity and viewing angles. This is really the only scenario where it would be an upgrade for you,


According the Cnet the BenQ's contrast is nearly 900:1. The Ben Q is also a 5ms panel which I didn't realize at first, so if your primary use is gaming the Acer H243H would be an upgrade as it is much faster than everything except the Dell 2209
http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/benq-v2400-eco/4505-3174_7-33877886.html

What people don't seem to understand is that to truly benifit from IPS color quality you need to perform calibration, and even then you might not notice the difference. If you did you would be using the Dell 2209wa as your primary monitor allready and we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

So to sum it up buying the NEC is still non sensical for gaming when you can spend 200$ and get the 24" Acer which is pretty much the best gaming monitor you can get without getting a 120hz panel. If you truly want improved image get the Samsung F2380M/MX if you can and use the Dell 2209wa for gaming
 
I would use the Dell, but 22" is just too small and I want higher res since my PC can handle it. I have actually been interested in buying a calibrator for awhile now. Which 120hz monitor were you talking about?

I also have a 55" Samsung LED LCD un55b8500. PC games on it should be amazing.
 
Acer G245HQ/G235HZ depedning on where you live. It's also around 250$ more than the H243H and is amost identical performance wise other than being 120hz

http://www.digitalversus.com/article-357-7352-38.html

UN85000 destroys pretty much anything in terms of PQ but the 2009 models have a ton of input lag. If you label HDMI Input 2 PC mode the lag should be severly reduced. I would check the AVS forums for more info.
 
moomoofarm7 said:
I just ordered an awesome PC from AVADirect for my Dad and it turned out awesome. Now I need to get him a nice monitor, at least 24" to 27". I have a BenQ V2400W LCD myself (sits next to a Dell 2209WA), do you guys think I should give it to my Dad and order the NEC EA231WMi? I feel like the NEC would blow the the BenQ away PQ wise and for gaming (my most important use). My Dad definetly doesn't need something like the NEC, I just want to get him something big, and I hope 24" is big enough. Plus, the BenQ really is a quality display. If not, I'm considering some 26" or 27" LCDs also. Any recommendations? What do you guys think? Would you take the NEC over the Benq? I feel like it's a fairly simple answer, although I definitely would rather the NEC be 24". Or is there another monitor better in the $250-$400 range?
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Generally speaking, people choose IPS technology to have better picture quality in ALL applications. Viewing angles is a defining factor in that department. IPS is on top, TN (prone to severe vertical color shift) is on the bottom and PVA (prone to horizontal color shift) is in the middle. Is calibration necessary for IPS technology? No. It's a BS. Not more necessary than for any other technologies. Often less necessary.
Although the EA231 is smaller in diagonal and only 1080 in resolution, it outclasses the V2400 . No comparison. Even PVA is better. On condition that monitors have no manufactuter defects. At the same time the EA231 represents a budget compromise: IPS+1920 resolution for less.
For its class, the V2400 is still a nice monitor.
The choice is based on quality standards you set for yourself. As you are comfortable with TH (just gaming), I would understand it if you look at larger TNs or step little down to 24" 16:9 TNs to begin with.
 
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moomoofarm7 said:
I just ordered an awesome PC from AVADirect for my Dad and it turned out awesome. Now I need to get him a nice monitor, at least 24" to 27". I have a BenQ V2400W LCD myself (sits next to a Dell 2209WA), do you guys think I should give it to my Dad and order the NEC EA231WMi? I feel like the NEC would blow the the BenQ away PQ wise and for gaming (my most important use). My Dad definetly doesn't need something like the NEC, I just want to get him something big, and I hope 24" is big enough. Plus, the BenQ really is a quality display. If not, I'm considering some 26" or 27" LCDs also. Any recommendations? What do you guys think? Would you take the NEC over the Benq? I feel like it's a fairly simple answer, although I definitely would rather the NEC be 24". Or is there another monitor better in the $250-$400 range?
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I have the BenQ v2400 and I'd only consider giving it away for a 120hz monitor. It has a great response time and very accurate colour reproduction for a TN panel.
 
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Generally speaking, people choose IPS technology to have better picture quality in ALL applications. Viewing angles is a defining factor in that department. IPS is on top, TN (prone to severe vertical color shift) is on the bottom and PVA (prone to horizontal color shift) is in the middle. Is calibration necessary for IPS technology? No. It's a BS. Not more necessary than for any other technologies. Often less necessary.
Although the EA231 is smaller in diagonal and only 1080 in resolution, it outclasses the V2400 . No comparison. Even PVA is better. On condition that monitors have no manufactuter defects. At the same time the EA231 represents a budget compromise: IPS+1920 resolution for less.
For its class, the V2400 is still a nice monitor.
The choice is based on quality standards you set for yourself. As you are comfortable with TH (just gaming), I would understand it if you look at larger TNs or step little down to 24" 16:9 TNs to begin with.
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I think I'm going to get the NEC for myself and give my dad the V2400W. I love the BenQ but I want better PQ. However, the BenQ like noobman said, does have terrific out of box colors. I think it will be great for my dad and it will allow me to upgrade my monitor as well.

My setup will be one NEC EA231 and one Dell 2209Wa. I just hope I don't miss the extra inch. Regardless, the NEC will look much better and serve as a great interim monitor until I have the money for the 24 or 2690wuxi.

Any suggestions on where to buy the NEC? Everywhere seems to be sold out, but Amazon says it will ship in 3-5 weeks, and Provantage up to 19 days. I can wait if they will actually send it to me in those time periods.
 
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Any suggestions on where to buy the NEC?
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Look for better exchange/return policy. This monitor has a record of some white screen uniformity imperfections (cooler to warmer tone across the screen).

What is expensive and what is not?

More than 3 years ago I bought the NEC 2490WUXi (the original version).
It was expensive. But at that time it was the best monitor ever produced for consumer market.
My fellows criticized me for spending too much money. They bought much less expensive monitors.
3 years have passed. The monitor is still the best ever. My fellows are looking for new screens (broken, dissatisfied with image quality, tired of WG, etc.). They are going to spend another $$$.:)
Let me guess, in 3 years when my fellows start looking for the third set of "reasonably priced" monitors my 2490 (if not broken - knocking on wood) will remaim the best ever.

So.....
Good luck!
 
You don't need an IPS panel which is marketed towards COLOR enthusiasts for gaming. The Ben Q has a higher contrast ratio than the NEC. For gaming purpose it is a complete waste of money.

For gaming the Acer H243H or a 120hz panels are upgrades, better conrtast, accurate color prests, and fast response times. You shouldn't be listening to some random forum person telling you about a quality you will never benifit from, other than viewing angles. The Acer is only 200$ and is essentially the pinacle of 60hz gaming panels.

http://www.digitalversus.com/article-357-7266-38.html
 
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