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It isn't the per disk manufacturing that is more costly, it is the startup costs. They still need to open more plants that are capable of producing more 50GB disks. Right now we are seeing to many BR releases on the 25GB disk due to the studios not having enough access to alternative production lines. Anyhow, it doesn't matter.. both are more costly than DVD.from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_high_definition_optical_disc_formats#Disc_construction
The idea that Blu-Ray is more expensive to produce than HD-DVD is a myth.
Despite the fact that I purchased an HD-DVD player and I have the technology touch of death, I don't think this fight is anywhere NEARLY over. I was hoping I could make it so, even if it meant buying a blu-ray player, but alas even I lack such power.
Lets look at it. From this month, we get last years sales numbers for the year. 1.6 million blu-ray to about 800k hd-dvd. Since inception, 2.2 million blu-ray vs. 1.5 HD-DVD.
Now lets say the studio pocketed $30 out of every DVD sale, which they don't because most are under $30 and the retailer and distributor take a cut. That's $66 million.
Now, as an executive, do you decide that you must get on this veritable juggernaut of not making any money, or do you decide that as a studio, your business is going to be wrangling a giant check out of the various consortiums?
HD-DVD dropped $300 million plus on getting two studios for 18 months. This is why paramount and dreamworks haven't exercised their exit clauses. Even if the sales of BR quadrupled in the next year, they'd be losing money giving up the cash payment from the HD-DVD camp.
BLU-RAY is spending about $150 million per fiscal quarter to have warner basically not release new titles in HD-DVD. It's not even real exclusivity as they plan to produce HD-DVD titles for at least 2 of the three fiscal quartes BR is paying them for.
So $66 million split multiple ways or $150 million just for you? For the studios, the business of high-def disks is not yet selling movies, it's selling access.
This fight will go on as long as both sides want to keep throwing money at it unless the consumer casts an overwhelming vote. The consumer, to date, has not come even close.
Things I think we still stand a good chance of seeing before this is over:
1) HD-DVD camp paying off more studios, but for dual format production rather than
exclusivity.
2) Increased availability of dual format players from some of the involved players getting tired of fighting this fight.
3) Dealys in releasing any BR2.0 disks.
4) Once a BR2.0 disk is realeased of any popularity, the HD-DVD camp will help fund a class action lawsuit against the blu-ray consortium or specific manufacturers. The HD-DVD camp will then pound it into everyone's heads that BR players are broken and flawed, and BR will just do this agian and again, evil BR, yadda yadda. Kind of like the BR camp is beating the drum over studio commitments now.
5) (possibly, but chances are lower) Class action is settled for a sum paid by other BR consortium members while sony does their part to hand out settlement coupons for PS3 which should be completley upgradable. That way sony stands to recover some loss in software title sales.
6) While this is going on someone will bring out a DVR-style HD video downloading appliance tht is reasonably cost competitive. Except it will require that you shell out $200 for the device, pay-per view each movie, and require a monthly broadband connection that costs you more money and is nowhere near fast enough to make the service truly convenient. It will be an even more miserable failure than either disk format.
Just my $0.02. but for this format war not to be capable of being dragged out with tax deductible pocket change from their perspecitve, sales volume of either format is going to have to increase a LOT.
It isn't the per disk manufacturing that is more costly, it is the startup costs. They still need to open more plants that are capable of producing more 50GB disks. Right now we are seeing to many BR releases on the 25GB disk due to the studios not having enough access to alternative production lines. Anyhow, it doesn't matter.. both are more costly than DVD.
<insert extensive list of crazy bullshit like class action lawsuits>
Despite the fact that I purchased an HD-DVD player and I have the technology touch of death, I don't think this fight is anywhere NEARLY over. I was hoping I could make it so, even if it meant buying a blu-ray player, but alas even I lack such power.
Lets look at it. From this month, we get last years sales numbers for the year. 1.6 million blu-ray to about 800k hd-dvd. Since inception, 2.2 million blu-ray vs. 1.5 HD-DVD.
Now lets say the studio pocketed $30 out of every DVD sale, which they don't because most are under $30 and the retailer and distributor take a cut. That's $66 million.
Now, as an executive, do you decide that you must get on this veritable juggernaut of not making any money, or do you decide that as a studio, your business is going to be wrangling a giant check out of the various consortiums?
HD-DVD dropped $300 million plus on getting two studios for 18 months. This is why paramount and dreamworks haven't exercised their exit clauses. Even if the sales of BR quadrupled in the next year, they'd be losing money giving up the cash payment from the HD-DVD camp.
BLU-RAY is spending about $150 million per fiscal quarter to have warner basically not release new titles in HD-DVD. It's not even real exclusivity as they plan to produce HD-DVD titles for at least 2 of the three fiscal quartes BR is paying them for.
So $66 million split multiple ways or $150 million just for you? For the studios, the business of high-def disks is not yet selling movies, it's selling access.
This fight will go on as long as both sides want to keep throwing money at it unless the consumer casts an overwhelming vote. The consumer, to date, has not come even close.
Things I think we still stand a good chance of seeing before this is over:
1) HD-DVD camp paying off more studios, but for dual format production rather than
exclusivity.
2) Increased availability of dual format players from some of the involved players getting tired of fighting this fight.
3) Dealys in releasing any BR2.0 disks.
4) Once a BR2.0 disk is realeased of any popularity, the HD-DVD camp will help fund a class action lawsuit against the blu-ray consortium or specific manufacturers. The HD-DVD camp will then pound it into everyone's heads that BR players are broken and flawed, and BR will just do this agian and again, evil BR, yadda yadda. Kind of like the BR camp is beating the drum over studio commitments now.
5) (possibly, but chances are lower) Class action is settled for a sum paid by other BR consortium members while sony does their part to hand out settlement coupons for PS3 which should be completley upgradable. That way sony stands to recover some loss in software title sales.
6) While this is going on someone will bring out a DVR-style HD video downloading appliance tht is reasonably cost competitive. Except it will require that you shell out $200 for the device, pay-per view each movie, and require a monthly broadband connection that costs you more money and is nowhere near fast enough to make the service truly convenient. It will be an even more miserable failure than either disk format.
Just my $0.02. but for this format war not to be capable of being dragged out with tax deductible pocket change from their perspecitve, sales volume of either format is going to have to increase a LOT.
Where'd you get that? Just curious because the numbers aren't out yet. Reports right now are that HDDVD hardware was up but both HD DVD and Blu-ray movies sales last month were flat with a spike on the Blu-ray side. You got some inside info you wanna share?
Here is my favorite picture:
Of course, if you add DVD to that graph the picture changes drastically.
Of course, if you add DVD to that graph the picture changes drastically.
Currently there are no incentives great enough for studios that are in the Blu-ray camp to choose HD-DVD, however, saying that studio's won't change their minds, ever, is incorrect.Its futile. Its too late. Studios have made their decision. They arent just going to flip flop back to HDDVD due to some price drops.
Um, it's more than that. The BR2.0 standard just implements what HD-DVD has supported from launch, so now both formats are largely equivalent feature wise. These new features in BR2.0 include the Picture in Picture feature that was first implemented in a big way in the HD-DVD release of 300 with the "pre-processed" (as filmed without special effects) version displayed in a PIP window in sync with the finished version with audio commentary. I actually found this feature to be quite entertaining and added considerable value to the HD-DVD version of 300. This feature was not in the BR version of 300. Now that BR2.0 has been released, Blu-ray discs can implement that picture in picture feature, however only with BR2.0 compatible Blu-ray players.You'll be able to watch the movie just fine. You just wont be able to play x whatever stupid 2.0 java game is included on the disc. Quite honestly: who gives a crap?
Check out this post on AVS Forum by an industry insider, David VaughnBlu-Ray isnt paying Warner....
Why do you persist in this lie? There are a huge number of 50gig discs. Its not a production issue, its a choice issue for the studio.
Just to make you look stupid AGAIN I'll show everyone:
http://www.blu-raystats.com/ filter size>BD50
According to that,
Blu-ray
BD25-----213-----48.97 %
BD50-----222-----51.03 %
HD DVD
HD15-----27-----7.42 % (plus 24 HD15 combo = 51)
HD30-----271-----74.45 % (plus 42 HD30 combo = 313)
HD15 Combo-----24-----6.59 %
HD30 Combo-----42-----11.54 %
49% of Blu-ray movies are released on 25GB disks while 86% of HD DVD's are released on a 30GB disk?
That seriously means BR is slacking in the BD50 department. Even Sony DADC said themselves that they were behind in production of the 50GB BR disks due to not having enough plants yet. But it seems they have made some progress in the past 3 months.
lol, I actually just copied and pasted from the website he linked me to. I didn't manipulate anything.
well yeah, of course. I was just trying to reflect that not all BD movies are 50GB, due to limited production lines and studios making the decision to release them on 25GB disks instead of getting in line or building another production facility.
Ethug, why are you the most passionate Blue-ray activist on this forum? Are you here to educate or annoy? Also, stop triple posting. This isn't your personal blog.
Um, it's more than that. The BR2.0 standard just implements what HD-DVD has supported from launch, so now both formats are largely equivalent feature wise. These new features in BR2.0 include the Picture in Picture feature that was first implemented in a big way in the HD-DVD release of 300 with the "pre-processed" (as filmed without special effects) version displayed in a PIP window in sync with the finished version with audio commentary. I actually found this feature to be quite entertaining and added considerable value to the HD-DVD version of 300. This feature was not in the BR version of 300. Now that BR2.0 has been released, Blu-ray discs can implement that picture in picture feature, however only with BR2.0 compatible Blu-ray players.
Who are we kidding, these are just temporary solutions anyway. We all know that in the future we will just be getting 1080P from xbox live or netflix via some sort of streaming ap. It just makes more sense, I guess their will be a niche group that will want the actual disk and jacket, but come on the future will be media less, where all you need is a codec upgrade.
DVD isn't high def. This was a high def war. Nobody included VHS when DVD kicked DIVX's ass.
It's a blatant inventory ditch effort IMHO. To stem losses they'll go below manufacturing costs.So are we talking about the PS/3 being sold $100 below cost or so, or are we talking about Toshiba and them selling for possible an unknown amount below cost?
Sony went under cost not as an inventory ditch, but as an effort to gain marketshare that was rapidly dissolving to Microsoft and Nintendo on the console side and the DVD consortium on the video side.
And when comparing Red vs Green Apples talking about Oranges screws it up as well...
I'd rather have the extra storage space. It keeps coming back to this kind of thing
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When paramount flipped, due to the more limited nature of hd dvd, they had to remove the uncompressed soundtrack. This to me is a horrible butchering of a movie.
It adds perspective, especially to those BS percentage based graphs where they're too scared to use hard numbers.
Umm, WTF? I just wanted to clarify the fact that BluRay 2.0 didn't just add weird ass Java Games as the previous poster had stated. And because of 2.0 update, BluRay discs can have the nice PIP feature I found quite entertaining on the HD-DVD release of 300.
I'd dare anyone to actually A/B the ~1.5mbps Dolby Digital Plus track against the original PCM stream, even at 24-bit/96kHz. My guess is that very few could actually do so if they were inclined enough to set up a competent test setup.Honestly even fewer people care about 96kHz/24bit 7 channel uncompressed tracks than do the miniscule numbers that care about the improved HD video compared to DVD's. To say the lack of uncompressed audio tracks as "butchering" of any movie is a grand overstatement, and even moreso for a movie like "Blades fo Glory".
It adds perspective, especially to those BS percentage based graphs where they're too scared to use hard numbers.
I'd dare anyone to actually A/B the ~1.5mbps Dolby Digital Plus track against the original PCM stream, even at 24-bit/96kHz. My guess is that very few could actually do so if they were inclined enough to set up a competent test setup.
I might bitch a tad if this were, say, Lord of the Rings, but Blades of Glory? Picky purely for the sake of being picky.
But those hard percentages themselves are highly skewed because both sides include the "freebie discs" like the 5-free with hardware purchase along with the actual paid for at retail discs. Considering the numerous freebie with hardware deals, you can probably 1/3rd those percentages. So in actuality, both Blu-ray and HD-DVD combined make up about 1% of *actual* purchased sales in 2007.