Except that Apple uses some trickery to actually get 5k on the monitor. When put on windows, it can only run at 4k. Still a nice display though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgTMxB-ffjM&t=222
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Except that Apple uses some trickery to actually get 5k on the monitor. When put on windows, it can only run at 4k. Still a nice display though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgTMxB-ffjM&t=222
Not really. Having more vram for the sake of having more vram is pointless. Adding vram doesn't improve performance unless you run into an actual frame buffer limitation. The gpu itself isn't powerful enough to be able to drive games at a resolution which would require 12gb of vram anyways. Its like having a 4gb 640gt card... has more vram than it could ever hope to use effectively. On the plus side, putting 3 of them in sli, and running 4k surround might be feasible now.
Nvidia is just doing what they did with the first Titan. Releasing a over engineered card for a high price.
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That is true for 99% of people but then there are guys running triple 4K displays and that's where 2-3 of these Titan X's come into play. Otherwise I'd be perfectly content with a 6 GB version and I suspect they'll have that available shortly after. I just got a refund on my 980s (lucky I bought them w/in a return window) so now I just gotta wait and hope NVIDIA releases these to retail asap.
OK, your precise counting indicates that two Titans X should be good for 5K gaming. About your requirements first there is problem with connectors. Wonder if Titan X gets DP1.3 or it is still away.
Again, no DP1.3.
Somewhere the chicken and egg problem has to give. The talk is now about 5K gaming and there 12 gig vram is not a sky-high number. So, if additionally the Titan X has DP1.3 connector manufacturers will have open road to bring 5K monitors with the DP 1.3 and a new ultimate platform will be ready.
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I think Nvidia did exactly that....
Even the Titan Z had a ....Z on it. This is a stock Titan with green in the fan.
I have read her in [H] that the Dell 5K monitor uses two DP cables and runs fine at 5K. And who would want to game at 5K on an iMac anyway?
I'm expecting a pair of Titan X cards to be needed for top-notch 4K performance and three to be needed for decent 3x 4K performance.
You don't need dp 1.3, Hdmi 2.0 works and Display port 1.2 works in single stream transport as well. Problem is most 4k monitors that support 60hz are actually tiled panels so you have to use a MST hub.
not on a imac, but on a 5k screen. Yes only thing to support 5k resolution is the 1.3 dp cable. Dell uses two 1.2 hbr cables to get the required bandwidth.
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This article mentions 3072 cores (50% increase). More pictures.
Titan X SLI is awful tempting! Must resist.
http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...i-capable-not-too-power-hungry-ready-to-ship/
Titan X SLI is awful tempting! Must resist.
http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...i-capable-not-too-power-hungry-ready-to-ship/
If/when the 980Ti comes out it will most likely make the Titian X basically pointless, considering it does not have the capabilities to compete with Quadro GPU's and would be heavily overpriced if the 980Ti is released. So unless you are running 3+ Titian X's and 3 4k monitors the extra V-ram is also pointless.
Sure you can run 4K and even 5K with tricks but lack of DP 1.3 blocks the progress e.g. into higher frame rates. I hope Titan X is also distinct by honour of being the first card with DP 1.3 support.
Titan X may be such an optimized beast that full blown 4K gaming is possible with single card. 12 gig vram indicates for this, it would be rather odd if having this amount of vram it would still stutter at 4K. I also bet that 5K performance is quite decent (hopefully with DP1.3) since at 5K the 12 gig vram does not look outsized. This might be first card which opens the 5K gaming arena.
The main point I was making was that it has greater than 4GB VRAM, rather than it has 12GB. I'd reckon 8GB is enough for just about anything in the foreseeable future and then some and the last 4GB is totally points, that I agree.
I was refering to the fact that whatever longevity this card has, the card will ultimately be GPU limited and never VRAM limited, unlike current 970's or 980's which is soon to follow IMHO.
I used to think that 4GB VRAM should be enough (It probably is for 1080p), but with the whole 970 VRAM issue blown open, I am not so sure anymore.
However, overengineered or not, $1350 msrp for a Titan X is a lot more tempting in my opinion than two 980's, by a longshot. It is only about $200 more, you get triple VRAM and you also don't get any of the SLI or G-Sync/DSR/MFAA issues (the latter of which nVidia has yet to solve). You also don't need a SLI compatible system or a 800W+ PSU.
Define 'good' Right now 980 SLI for 4K gaming is just 'good' so even a 40% improved 980 (the Titan X) will be less than 'good' at 4K.
There is no way a Titan X will be as powerful as you think. At BEST it will be 40-50% faster than the 980 and even that will not be enough for 4K gaming at its best. It might be doable but only with reduced game settings and under 60 FPS.
By bottomline I mean when running things that don't play nice with SLI (IE when 980 contribute no performance improvement). Of course SLI 980's will have better top performance than a single Titan X, given the specs, but the bottomline is also lower.
Also, SLI 980's performance beating Titan X is also only true if no more than 4GB VRAM is being used. Whether or not that stays true is an entirely different question.
Also, SLI 980's performance beating Titan X is also only true if no more than 4GB VRAM is being used. Whether or not that stays true is an entirely different question.
It depends at what resolutions. I only game @ 1080P so a single powerful card might be enough to run all my games maxed out and push triple digit frames all the time for the 144Hz monitor.
I would be willing to bet than one Titan X alone will be GPU limited before it goes over 4GB of VRAM.
Whether one card is enough has no bearing on the fact that in most games two 980s in SLI will beat it.
Yes, but when/if it does go over, Titan X can solve the GPU bottleneck it by SLI, SLI 980's only solution is to replace the pair entirely.
My main point here is, given the money spent, a Titan X would have much better longevity than 980's given the current state of hardware and software.
Besides, SLI 980's beating Titan X assumes that the game scales 50% or better, which doesn't happen to all games.
And the 980Ti (or whatever the gaming only Titan X card will be called) will kill the Titan X's longevity.
IF the Titan X is 50% better than a 980, which I still doubt.
The 780ti didn't kill the longevity of the original Titan, if anything it's only better now because of bad console ports absorbing more Vram. Plus the 780ti's are locked down voltage wise while the Titan wasn't, but Nvidia will surely change things this go around. And those rare few who do Surround now, but I gave that up because Nvidia just sucks at it.
Most are assuming 30% over a 980, even with 50% more of everything it wouldn't translate to 50% more performance. Time will tell, probably 4+ months, and longer for those custom PCB variants like the Classified and Lightning.
Well some Titan owners disagree, but the extra VRAM on the Titan is a plus. 12 GB VRAM is overkill for gaming so a 6GB 980 Ti WILL kill the Titan X
That's my guess.
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I think 12GB could be useful in high res multi monitor SLi setup. Until there's some solid test to show that there's no configuration that will take advantage of the extra VRAM in gaming, I wouldn't assume 12GB is overkill without any evidence.
My guess is even with four of these you will be GPU limited before you hit 12 GB, but yes, it is just a guess.
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Considering that some of these companies are game companies that make extensive use of their products? I can see it.
Especially something as niche as the Titan X.
which is fine, considering being GPU limited is far less limiting than being VRAM limited.
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I think the 12gb is more then needed. Unless you plan to run 5k or 4k surround, then yes you could need it.
But like Chew said, you are going to be GPU limited WAY before you are limited by 12gb of memory, let alone 6gb (like the original Titan).
Either way Titan X will be a monster, and AMD might be in trouble if it gets released soon.
But like Chew said, you are going to be GPU limited WAY before you are limited by 12gb of memory, let alone 6gb (like the original Titan).
Either way Titan X will be a monster, and AMD might be in trouble if it gets released soon.
The choir of "12 gig vram is overkill" does not take into account the dynamism of developments. 5K monitors are reality now and 8K will be coming. One thus has to start providing support for these resolutions on the graphics card side too and more vram is a good step for this. Evidently even a single card like Ti X does not provide enough computing power for decent gaming at such resolutions but it is just a first step. Next year 16 nm tech will eliminate single card gaming bottlenecks @4K and it will provide for decent gaming @5K. 12 gig vram will be obvious then.
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They said the same thing about the Original Titan, and still 6gb isn't needed.
And when Titan was released, there were plenty of surround setups, and even 3x 1600p monitoring too.
6gb was enough. And still is.
I can see why because the cards Nvidia released after were cheaper of course, but given the Titan have 6 GB's of Vram AND can be unlocked to 1.4v(Not many do it but if you have a waterblock I'd recommend it), while the 780ti could not. Plus back then it was something like half a year before AMD brought the 290 out (or maybe the X) so if you are like me and can't wait you blubbered and gave Nvidia a nice lump sum.
I'm going to wait for a slightly cut down GM200 chip though, and AMD's cards so we have competition. I guess 6 GB's of memory because it's either 6 or 12, just like how the Titan was 6 and the various 700 series were 1/2 the memory (apart from the 6GB 780) and I doubt companies will make Custom PCB cards with 12GB's of Vram seeing as nothing happened to the Titan or 6GB 780.
Basically I want there to be GM200 cards that have the Vram like my Titan, but are not hindered by Nvidia and there greenlight schemes like most cards. Lightning/Classified/HOF+GM200=nom.
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Prepare to be incorrect.
Note I am talking about 4K and 5K. 3x1600p is not so much bigger than single 4K but 5K is much bigger than 3x1600p. 4K will be replacing 1080p format and so 3x4K will not be uncommon, 5K is the new high-end, 8K is on the horizon. There is a point somewhere there where 6 gig is limited. First step in getting over it is a good one - may encourage some brave souls to go 2 or 3 x 5K
if the TiX has DP 1.3 support.
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Note I am talking about 4K and 5K. 3x1600p is not so much bigger than single 4K but 5K is much bigger. 4K will be replacing 1080p format and so 3x4K will not be uncommon, 5K is the new high, 8K is on the horizon. There is a point there where 6 gig is limited. First step in getting over it is a good one - may encourage some brave souls to go 2 or 3 x 5K
6gb is fine for 5k, an 4gb is fine for 4k.
Problem is right now 4/5k is a VERY small market, so selling video cards for people who are a very minor group wouldn't be smart.
The best thing right now for Nvidia is selling 960/970's with 4gb/3.5gb. It's what is making Nvidia the most money.
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With what type and degree of AA and AF?
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Depends what the game supports.
FXAA, MSAA, MFAA, MSAA, SSAA.
When you are running at 4/5k you dont need much AA.