Titan V versus 2x 1080Ti's

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  1. Armpit

    Armpit Gawd

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    Currently I have 2 EVGA 1080Ti SC2s in SLI. Thing is, SLI is a dinosaur that is dying a slow death and many games don't support it or have issues. So for my next card I want a single card solution that would give me a good enough performance in games at 4096x2160 resolution that I play at. I was thinking that the Titan V might do it, and I could probably get half-way there in terms of the cost if I sold the 1080Ti's. I'm also not a fan of the noise of the cards and I'd be putting the Titan V under a custom water loop. Question is, will it give me enough performance and is it better to wait and see what Nvidia offers next in terms of a gaming card? Thoughts?
     
  2. cyklondx

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    Custom PCB 1080ti's are almost around the same performance as single Titan V in most games. Only games that have shown to really benefit are AMD titles like Doom, new Wolfenstein etc... but you should expect around 10fps more in your games overall vs single evga 1080ti sc2.

    Will it beat dual 1080ti's if you put it under water? No, It won't.

    I say, wait it out. At this moment 1080ti is best card you can have. But if you have money, and its not an issue just buy Tesla P100 it will give you faster performance in vulkan titles, than whats offered with Titan V.
     
  3. tangoseal

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    Is sli dying... probably just because gpus are becoming stupid powerful in single cards.

    I have two Posiedons under water and sli has been disabled for months now. If that tells you anything.

    1080ti is gonna be better overall.
     
  4. Armenius

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    In games that support SLI a Titan V would not be able to touch the performance of SLI 1080 Ti.

    Regardless, I'd wait. Rumor is we'll get an announcement for consumer Volta/Ampere as soon as next week.
     
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    The Titan V lacks game drivers. Read the review here. Just wait patiently for the consumer card release.
    https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/03/20/nvidia_titan_v_video_card_gaming_review

    Unfortunately BF1 was another game that gave us trouble at 4K on the NVIDIA TITAN V. We were able to run this game once, which is when we got our clock speed over time data. However, trying to run it again caused instant crashes to the desktop at 4K resolution on the TITAN V, therefore we have no 4K data at all. We can guess that if it works it would perform well, probably giving us near 100FPS on average, or better, as an educated guess.

    What did work well was 1440p. You can see we got 123.1FPS average at 1440p. That puts the TITAN V at only 8% faster than the GTX 1080 Ti. Overclocking only improved performance by 3%.

    There are two main theories we have as to the small differences at 1440p between the cards and the overclock. Theory number one is that this game is just not very optimized with these drivers on the TITAN V seeing as it is not a gaming-oriented video card.

    Theory number two, and is most likely more probable, is that the NVIDIA TITAN V is becoming severely CPU bound in games that are easy on the graphics at lower resolutions. We’ve already seen a trend of this with every game in this review. In addition, BF1 is an older game that lacks graphics features that push it graphically like some other older games. This means the game is just not graphically challenging, and is a cake walk for the TITAN V at a low resolution like 1440p.
     
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    Sli's lifecycle has nothing to do with the power of a single gpu. It has been a niche product forever, and support for it is grossly outweighed by developer needs to focus on actually making games playable, fun, and/or easy on the eyes. Nvidia has had to pay people in the past to write sli profiles for a lot of games that otherwise wouldn't be sli compatible, again for an extreme niche of the videocard market (1% of 1%). With DX12, if the developer doesn't strictly implement SLI/CFX at the engine level, the game is pretty much doa for multi videocard support. Since you have 2 cards at the moment, I bet you can count on one hand how many DX12 titles support full scaling for SLI.

    In summary, there wasn't enough of a market to continue support, and Microsofts unique implementation of DX12 put the burden on the game developers (who DO NOT sell videocards, or care if you have more than 1), I've run SLI/CFX with annual updates every year since BF2 came out, and moving to a Titan Xp I've completely given up on duel videocards at this juncture. Don't get me wrong though. In the future, if there's a new DX or api that explicitly supports duel videocards without massive frame drops and skips, I would be all over it again. It's just too painful waiting for 2-3 years to see a new generation of videocards anymore, and when your last sli rig is faster than the new single gpu crown, it's a kick in the pants to give up all the bells and whistles for the simplicity of a single card.

    Keep up the good fight. If there are titles you still play that support SLI, go down fighting.
     
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    If you won't feel it in your bank account the V will likely support RTX and will perform better overall. Quite a bit better at 4k. People keep saying lack of gaming drivers but I've had no issues other than the launch driver having some stuttering. I'm using the same GeForce drivers as everyone else. Some games are just buggier than others. That said if I didn't have one now, I might give it a few weeks before deciding, considering Nvidia has indirectly announced desktop Volta.
     
  9. tangoseal

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    Ocassionally I find a title that truly supports SLI and its just f'ing amazing. Two 1080ti in a title that truly supports SLI just blows your freaking mind how strong these cards are but that is rare indeed. And to your comments about SLI in general, all of us that have SLI all have slightly differing opinions but I think we all agree that its an amazing technology and will be shame to see it go. But GPUs are getting very powerful indeed. If the Titan V, not including tensor cores, is as strong as it is, I can't imagine how strong the next Ti gaming card will be price to performance ratio speaking of course. However, if we truly get 144hz HDR Gsync 4k then we might have to revisit SLI because not even a Titan V can draw that fast.
     
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    I can understand all of your opinions on sli, and agree with the majority, but I have no idea what your preconception of how the next generation of videocards is going to be so amazingly powerful. It's been about 10 years since I bought a new videocard and said wow with the upgrade in graphics. I don't get that mentality at all. At the high end, all we do is get incremental improvement. One year it was better AA support, the next it was an increase in resolution. I don't see this overwhelming power that you speak of, just a marginal improvement over current levels, besides it's been a long time since games had specs that we couldn't manage with on current pc hardware. The 4k 144hz panels will obviously require significant resources, but if the target market is still LoL and CS, it's not going to be a stretch to hit those numbers with current tech. If you're looking at the gpu turnover rate through generations we've hit a bit of a stall lately for obvious reasons and I just don't see anything overwhelmingly powerful coming to revolutionize the gpu in the next year. Even consoles are moving incrementally closer from generation to generation further watering down the benefits of upgrading your hardware.

    While I would love to get that butterfly in the stomach feeling of seeing overwhelming gpu beauty in action, I'd have to be honest and say that it's been awhile, and not for the lack of good looking games to play either.
     
  11. misterbobby

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    So you are one of those people that only remembers the generations that had "marginal" jumps in performance while forgetting the ones where we got a huge boost.

    You probably even think that the 1080 ti was not a huge improvement over the 980 ti so let me show you some reality. Here the 1080 ti is nearly TWICE as fast overall as the 980 ti at 4k.

    https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080_Ti/30.html
     
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    My understanding of your comment is that you either didn't read my post and just felt like arguing, or don't understand it so I will repeat it again in reduced language for your consumption. My quote was clear that visually there is no wow factor in seeing the same scene being rendered at 4k a little faster. However there was once a time where graphics generations enabled a universally lauded visual cornucopia of benefits. I cannot determine your expectations but if you're satisfied with the same relative experience as a previous generation then I'm happy for you.
     
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    Okay so using your logic I should be happy with crappy frame rates at 4 k? I should not expect better performance? I should not expect to be able to turn up better settings? Really I think what you're saying is quite short-sighted as I can put my 1080ti to its knees in plenty of games at 4K so I will certainly be upgrading when there's a new video card out.
     
  14. Neapolitan6th

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    Basicly the Titan V makes strides in DX12, Vulkan, and asynchronous compute compared to Pascal. Situations where it doesn't improve are largely DX11 programs. The extra cuda cores certainly won't hurt, beast of a card. Beast of a price.
     
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  15. tangoseal

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    All your base are belong to us!
     
  16. oldmanbal

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    game on brother
     
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    Truth is the early adopters of 4k are the only ones who are really struggling and need something like SLI 1080 TIs. I do 1440p (16:9) @ 144hz and a 1080 ti is more than enough. You would have to either just have lots of extra money to spend on a Titan V (for little gain at this point as others have noted) or just be out of your damn mind. Aren't most of expecting the 2080/1180 to come out first and basically be right on par with 1080 ti performance?
     
  18. Archaea

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    if not the 1170.


    Remember the 1070 was on par with the 980TI last gen. (and the 1070 had 2GB more VRAM)
     
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    Ah yes that's right. I wonder if the 1180/2080 will be considered a true 4k card or if people will still wait for the ti version. If that new monitor comes out that's 4k 144hz then that baby will probably require the ti version.
     
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    NVidia next GPU after the 10 series cards "We have to wait" again we see the madness on fake news and spreading with online rumors what is the next cards will be?, I don't see what all the hype is over the next generation when the NVIDIA TITAN V had only 12gb HBM2 ram and it still !the most powerful PC GPU ever created.

    SLI is dying fast IMO.