Thoughts?

I think this is fake, it was posted somwhere before, and I don't think ATI is allowed to directly bash their compeitition like that =p
 
Doesn't look real. Most of the things mentioned in those slides cannot be proved, and look like they were made up to me.
 
Both presentations lack taste.

One I don't understand the the whole IQ thing and everyone even the rpesentation uses the same screenshots as seen here. I am more inclined to think a game isn't doing it's job before I blame it on the graphics card and if that game supports a certain graphics card or is optimized for it much like processors you will see benefits solely based on that duh.

The crossfire and availability issues in the other presentation are distasteful and need no pointing out. I don't need another company telling me their competitor isn't getting things done I will see it for myself.

I want to see both or at least one of them at least make headway and match the other they both have certain unique qualities whether in graphics or chipsets that they can learn from each other.
 
Wow it looks just like the forums here! :p
Sorry... bad joke.
I hope this does not signify a shift in $ from R&D to PR BS.
I like it much better when they speak with their cards and not out of their ass.
 
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this doenst look funny to anyone else?
look at the horrible photoshop job why wouldnt they just re-render the image
 
Nvidia already responded to the 1170 hour issue. That was if the chip were at 125C the entire 1170 hours, linky was on NVnews, I'll get it later. Plus they said that there is a warranty, so who cares?
 
These slides are just sad. The only thing about them even remotely grounded in some kind of reality is the GTX 512 availability stuff. From what I've seen the GTX 512 is largely unavailable and costs waaaay too much. But claiming it's going to fail after a few weeks of gaming? That's just ludicrous.

How ironic that a slideshow entitled "nVidia's Desperate Stand" show's ATi grasping for straws trying to explain the butt-whooping the GTX 512 just gave the XT.

I know these slides are just for internal use with investors and such, but seriously ATi, you got beat, take it a like a man.
 
This is sort of old news and not proven that ATi actually made the presentation. Still both companies do go for this type of stuff. I took it as total fud, but now that the 7800gtx 512mb seems to be so limited that prices are sky high, does make me wonder. That and the weird anantech paper launch of the 7800gs - maybe - hopefully this means that ati production is in order and we will be seeing very low prices on the x1800xl .... :confused:
 
I don't mean to bash anyone but heres how I veiw ATI and Nvidia if you made the companies flesh and blood people.

2 geeks arguing at each other end every other point with some kinda insulting name calling. It will always be a pissing contest with each other as ATI and Nvidia don't really have any other major people to argue with.
 
For the record I do not know if they are real or fake and I do not endorse nor condemn them if they are real.


In my personal opinion I believe that they could be real because each do create internal presentations against each other. Remember the famous Kyro presentation.
 
LadyMakoFox said:
out of all of these my fav one is still the BS Bingo with ATI prizes lol
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Yes, that is a classic! :)

I think this is not an ATI internal doc but a very funny. Some of the things around IQ and pushing 110nm to it's limits make me go Hmmmmm
 
gostriker said:
This is sort of old news and not proven that ATi actually made the presentation. Still both companies do go for this type of stuff. I took it as total fud, but now that the 7800gtx 512mb seems to be so limited that prices are sky high, does make me wonder. That and the weird anantech paper launch of the 7800gs - maybe - hopefully this means that ati production is in order and we will be seeing very low prices on the x1800xl .... :confused:
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x1800xl oem is $330 shipped now at newegg. that lower?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814142053
 
Worth a chuckle but neither presentations really offer anythign new. It's just simple tit for tat. BTW how long will it last at say 80*C? (I'm simpy curious)
 
R1ckCa1n said:
Yes, that is a classic! :)

I think this is not an ATI internal doc but a very funny. Some of the things around IQ and pushing 110nm to it's limits make me go Hmmmmm
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Yeah, but at 120C...that's 248 degrees Fahrenheit...
 
I think whether this presentation was official or not, ATI clearly contradicted themselves as they've done almost the exact same thing a year ago, except it seemed much more obvious.

How did ATI overcome the 6800 Ultra? They cranked up the clocks! Did they have mass availability in the past? From what I've heard, no. I'm not saying that nV had good availability either (did they? I'm not sure), but that doesn't excuse ATI from anything. The say enthusiasts game with AA. Well, some enthusiasts like to game with 523462 FPS. Some much prefer perfomance over IQ, especially when they don't notice the difference in AA and AF quality, so ATI's only pleasing half the crowd. Lack of evolution? What did the 9800 add to the x800 series? Did they mention transparency AA?

How about driver support improvements? SLI-AA, or dual core support?

Oh yea, feel free to correct any of the statements I made above, as I'm not 100% sure on any of em. I've just read snippets of news in the past, but it sounds awfully like how ATI was just a generation ago.
 
R1ckCa1n said:
Who is running 120c? I have to read that anywhere
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Naturally that particular part is in the very very fine print underneath the graph. So yeah, what they're saying is true, by upping the voltage nvidia has increased the time to failure of 1 out of a 1000 cards to 1170 hours...but here's the kicker: while operating at 120C...that's 248F...I don't think I've ever heard of anyone getting a chip that hot before...
 
^eMpTy^ said:
Naturally that particular part is in the very very fine print underneath the graph. So yeah, what they're saying is true, by upping the voltage nvidia has increased the time to failure of 1 out of a 1000 cards to 1170 hours...but here's the kicker: while operating at 120C...that's 248F...I don't think I've ever heard of anyone getting a chip that hot before...
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If they did, it didn't last long.
 
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