Thoughts on Google's Router "OnHub"

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I have been reading mixed things about Google's new OnHub router.. I was thinking of getting one to replace mine at home, but I am curious what the community thinks... Where people will give you nothing but honesty.

Thoughts on it?

Google-OnHub-review-3.jpg
 
expensive and missing some wired ports for me to care...
 
If I needed a good AP I'd definitely consider it. The teardown showed a huge amount of wireless hardware (12 antenna, dedicated amps, and two radios iirc), but realistically my AP does fine and I'd rather not spend money. Also I would only use it if there were an openWRT port (which I assume is possible).
 
Lunas said:
expensive and missing some wired ports for me to care...
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I also agree here. I do not like the ports are limited to 2. If I had four I would most likely have went for it. Don't want to use a switch.
 
I'm interested to see what they do with it in the future but it's too expensive for what it is right now. And Google has a history of just sort of dumping projects mid-stride or starting up 3 more in house competitors for no other reason than "just because". I love Google but they're kind of schizophrenic that way.
 
Let alone their history to track and target everyone and everything.

A router from Google? You'd be nuts. Maybe if you can replace the firmware with your own. But as a black box? Never.
 
Dwango said:
I'm interested to see what they do with it in the future but it's too expensive for what it is right now. And Google has a history of just sort of dumping projects mid-stride or starting up 3 more in house competitors for no other reason than "just because". I love Google but they're kind of schizophrenic that way.
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I also think Google just does things to do it. I hope they put out a smaller form of this, and less costly. I would so go for it... If it had more ports, and perhaps cheaper. I can't spend 200.00$ on a router. I have FIOS too. Lol
 
ocellaris said:
I don't see who would buy one of these unless they hate themselves:

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wire...-google-tp-link-onhub-router-reviewed?start=1

It's a completely gimped feature set with poor wireless performance and a questionable support future. It doesn't matter if it has 100 antennas if it still performs worse than cheaper routers.
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Wow pretty good review. What's the best router you think I should get for FIOS then? I really did like the bajillion antennas.
 
probably chock full of NSA/CIA code and records literally everything you do, say, eat, shit, drink, watch on tv, think, look at, masturbate too, and all that. Not kidding being serious.
plus the review posted a few posts up.... yikes I would rather get wifi from a toilet bowl.
 
tangoseal said:
probably chock full of NSA/CIA code and records literally everything you do, say, eat, shit, drink, watch on tv, think, look at, masturbate too, and all that. Not kidding being serious.
plus the review posted a few posts up.... yikes I would rather get wifi from a toilet bowl.
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As if your ISP isn't already selling that info to the Feds... :)
 
@ tangoseal
FWIW I think it's a pretty good effort by Google.
CZ.NIC is trying to do something similar but more open about their approach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gm_x9vKQ6Q

@ ReCOde
Based on my experiences with the Mediatek platform I'd say that the D-Link DIR-860L (HW rev B1) is a very nice open source "value" router.
 
tangoseal said:
probably chock full of NSA/CIA code and records literally everything you do, say, eat, shit, drink, watch on tv, think, look at, masturbate too, and all that. Not kidding being serious.
plus the review posted a few posts up.... yikes I would rather get wifi from a toilet bowl.
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That's some harsh words... Now tell me how you really feel... Lol
 
I feel there are no good routers, except ones you build yourself.

Food for thought:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/05/broadband_routers_sohopeless_and_vendors_dont_care/

Best option is to roll your own with pfsense or something, you can use hardware like this:
http://www.pcper.com/news/Cases-and...er-Sized-Mini-PC-Haswell-CPU-and-Discrete-GPU (if wireless is not a must, there are way better options)

I use a supermicro avoton box and a discrete wifi access point for my phone. Expensive? Heck yes, but runs circles around everything else.
 
rsq said:
I feel there are no good routers, except ones you build yourself.

Food for thought:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/05/broadband_routers_sohopeless_and_vendors_dont_care/

Best option is to roll your own with pfsense or something, you can use hardware like this:
http://www.pcper.com/news/Cases-and...er-Sized-Mini-PC-Haswell-CPU-and-Discrete-GPU (if wireless is not a must, there are way better options)

I use a supermicro avoton box and a discrete wifi access point for my phone. Expensive? Heck yes, but runs circles around everything else.
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I've tried pfSense on an extra PC and I didn't gain anything notable over using a working standalone router anyway. Once a router is working fine and doing it's job, I don't see a huge push to do better. Yes I could do more on pfSense, however the more doesn't really matter when everything already works?

Also I don't see tens of millions of current consumer routers getting hacked because they are running retail firmware, so I think that is a boogeyman argument.

http://www.pcper.com/news/Cases-and...er-Sized-Mini-PC-Haswell-CPU-and-Discrete-GPU

And seriously who the heck wants to run a simple router on a system with a GPU in it? I want the router to calmly do it's thing 24/7 without me touching it, not be tied into a PC that could also play games or may require regular reboots for Windows Updates or anything like that. I've touched the power button on my current router once since I bought it, and it didn't even fix anything since the issue was my cable modem being offline.
 
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Ocellaris,

I just mentioned that PC as the first one I found. I picked that one because it has wifi...

You make a valid point on the functionality If you do not need any advanced functions, small routers may do fine. But, I have yet to see a small router that dealt with VLAN's correctly. VPN used to be crap, but seems to get better.

Functionality is not my main reason for not liking them, security is.
Routers are getting hacked by the thousands,

Google "router botnet" if you don't believe me.

Noone seems to care though. Also having known vulnerabilities open for 7 years is simply not acceptable. Security matters enough to me to not want any of that stuff in my house.

I use this for my router:
http://www.supermicro.nl/products/motherboard/Atom/X10/A1SRM-LN7F-2358.cfm

I put it together with a good L2/L3 switch and a dedicated wifi access point. Hugely powerful setup. but 10 times as expensive as a small router.
 
I'd be more concerned about having my edge device coming from a company that profits off mining your data. You now have absolutely no idea what data of yours is being sent to google, as the device doing it is directly connected to the web.

I still really want someone to hook this up behind another pfsense box and monitor all the outbound traffic to confirm.
 
I don't think I'd want to trust networking gear from Google. Especially not for the main gateway.
 
Having looked into it a fair bit and having just watched a pretty decent full review of the onhub I fall to the opinion that while it sounds nice and probably has good hardware, its expensive, you're paying for features and support that aren't yet here and I don't know exactly what google is collecting or doing with my data.
 
The shape is also quite retarded. its round, so inefficient on floor space use. Its also too small to put something on top.

Fisher Price's first router :)
 
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