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This Machine Is Crazy!!

Raid 0 is faster than Raid 5. Sure it is way more prone to crashage but if he is lookin for speed that is the best way to go.
 
Steel Chicken said:
ive been looking at a similar but stripped down setup.
same mobo, 2 GT's instead of ultras,
246's instead of 250's
2 GB instead of 16GB
2 raptors in raid for OS
and 2 other big drives for data

but, even stripped down, its just too much cash
$3.5K

supposedly, the mobo allows for some minor OC'ing, but details are not available yet
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Sheesh, what's wrong with people these days. My third computer was an NEC Ready 7500 with a Pentium 75. That thing cost me bloody $3000. $3500 for a machine like that? Beautiful cheap.
 
elfletcho said:
Raid 0 is faster than Raid 5. Sure it is way more prone to crashage but if he is lookin for speed that is the best way to go.
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You are of course correct however what does that meam? Once every 3 years as oppposed to 5? I have been using raid 0 arrays for two years and never lost an array. Ok once when a hitachi died butit was an array that was 10 minutes old. lol
 
jacuzz1 said:
You are of course correct however what does that meam? Once every 3 years as oppposed to 5? I have been using raid 0 arrays for two years and never lost an array. Ok once when a hitachi died butit was an array that was 10 minutes old. lol
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Ditto for me, my two disk Raid 0 array has never gave me trouble (knock on wood). Just saying that people (read that as kids thinking they know everything) always try to push Raid 5 saying it rocks, when it really is quite slow. If you want speed and protection, you might was well just go Raid 0+1 if you have the cash.
 
I'm simply saying that especially if he's doing all that "medical imaging" then I really wouldn't want to risk it across a 4-drive RAID 0.
 
ikari303 said:
I'm simply saying that especially if he's doing all that "medical imaging" then I really wouldn't want to risk it across a 4-drive RAID 0.
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True that.

A RAID 5 array of 3x Cheetah X15's seemed to do the job for a dentist's office I did a few years ago though :)

He said he wanted "balls-out ridiculous hardware", so that's what I did.
 
aNtHrAx323 said:
He said he wanted "balls-out ridiculous hardware", so that's what I did.
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This for a dentist's office? Holy cow. In my shop, when some old fart says he wants "ridiculous" hardware, we give him a mac.
 
for a private party that comp is allrite but it is absolutely notnhing compaired to this.... this machine is absolutely instane... ps if anyone has 4 mil lying around loan it to me..... (click on price and buy and look at the stats easier to read... 16 mb of cache on itas processors...)
 
Nah....I'd be willing to bet that most of the data on his harddrive is moved on and off pretty quickly. I wonder how much space a whole human body takes up in terms of data for an MRI; a few 100 GB is my guess. So if it craps out...it probally doesn't phase him much. Ifhe is smart he'll create an image of the OS as backup.

-tReP
 
Trepidati0n said:
Nah....I'd be willing to bet that most of the data on his harddrive is moved on and off pretty quickly. I wonder how much space a whole human body takes up in terms of data for an MRI; a few 100 GB is my guess. So if it craps out...it probally doesn't phase him much. Ifhe is smart he'll create an image of the OS as backup.

-tReP
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That is what I was guessing. He just needs the speed to swap out huge amounts of data from his HD's constantly. Not much of a need for secure data.
 
elfletcho said:
Raid 0 is faster than Raid 5. Sure it is way more prone to crashage but if he is lookin for speed that is the best way to go.
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Sure but if he has all hardware based RAID5 with uber fast hardware he'd not notice it AND he'd have all sorts of redundancy to go with it.



Other than that note his rig is a TRUE Killer :eek:
 
furiousfords89 said:
with all the money spent on that killer rig, i would much rather buy myself another car with the 8+ grand used to build that comp. :eek:
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My brother works in Oncology and would most likely laugh at this $8,000 setup. Knowing people who work in the field I can say that they regularly purchase $60,000 machines just to screen the occasional person for a possible illness - and that's not even getting into MRI or MRSI machines which can cost upwards of $1,000,000. Why do you think your medical insurance costs so damn much?

Well, at least he might be able to run Longhorn. He doesn't quite meet Microsoft's estimation of the hardware you'll need, but he's getting close :mad:
 
elfletcho said:
Ditto for me, my two disk Raid 0 array has never gave me trouble (knock on wood). Just saying that people (read that as kids thinking they know everything) always try to push Raid 5 saying it rocks, when it really is quite slow. If you want speed and protection, you might was well just go Raid 0+1 if you have the cash.
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RAID 5 has the highest read speeds. Seeing as to how people tend to favour RAID 0 for "speed" ie. fast reads, fastest writes, it is incorrect to say raid 5 is "quite slow." Indeed, write speeds for RAID 5 are slower than 1 and 0, but it is not "quite slow," especially in a proper hardware driven array. You should inform yourself properly before putting things down.
 
genmae said:
RAID 5 has the highest read speeds. Seeing as to how people tend to favour RAID 0 for "speed" ie. fast reads, fastest writes, it is incorrect to say raid 5 is "quite slow." Indeed, write speeds for RAID 5 is slower than 1 and 0, but it is not "quite slow," especially in a proper hardware driven array. You should inform yourself properly before putting things down.
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wow, you guys are arguing over the exact definition of a very non-specific phrase "quite slow"
 
Dr. X said:
Hmm...I wonder if there is any way to setup a virtual ramdrive the way hibernation works so when you turn off your comp it writes everything in memory to the harddrive.
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on linux and such(atleast on knoppix) you can at boot order it to load os to ram module so im sure you could do this....god imagine a huge ass cluster with 120GB of ram that let u multitask with everything in ram
 
Ballz2TheWallz said:
on linux and such(atleast on knoppix) you can at boot order it to load os to ram module so im sure you could do this....god imagine a huge ass cluster with 120GB of ram that let u multitask with everything in ram
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:drool:
 
elfletcho said:
That is what I was guessing. He just needs the speed to swap out huge amounts of data from his HD's constantly. Not much of a need for secure data.
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Most of todays medical imaging are archived on dvd turntables at third party storage sites . THe clients pay by the study. His rig is over kill for that more importantly he would need a specialized monitor and video subsystem

http://www.insiteone.com/
 
I built the machine for work and play.

I use medical imaging software but I also enjoy gaming and graphics.

Yes, I can actually use most of that ram in less than a few minutes.

Raid 0 is fster than Raid 5, 1,0 1 or 5.1. Sensitive data is stored in my house on an NFS. In two years of using various SATA raid 0 configurations, I have not had any issues. Second, there aren't any scsi alternatives with that much storage capacity PER DISK.

I apologize if the pc did not meet with everyone's approval, I had intended to build it for myself.

My scores in 3dMark and Doom do not reflect the presence of the second processor, however, certain apps I use do take advantage of it as well as the ram.

3dmark-05 clocked the box at 11,009


Hope this helps

VENTURI
 
what kind of medical imaging do you do, I guess you could say I'm breaking into the industry (filmless archiving)

nice machine, you sound like you would enjoy the cluster machines we use. Think of it as SLI with 16 computers using a propreitary hardware hookup that handles inteligent on the fly load balancing and all that. Over a TB a second bandwith for streaming too :eek:

Of course, gaming is off limits on those, the lawsuits wouldnt be good if CS locked it up and half the countries hospitals couldnt get to their images....
 
venturi said:
I apologize if the pc did not meet with everyone's approval, I had intended to build it for myself.
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No need for an apology. Anyone on this forum that has objected to your system either can't use or doesn't know how to use the processing power or can't afford it.

Are you upgrading to the Opteron 252's announced today?
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8826,00.html?redir=CPPA20

Running 16GB of memory I assume you are using 2GB double sided memory modules. Is you memory running at DDR333 or DDR400? Acording to the AMD Opteron spec, with all four memory banks filled with double sided memory the DRAM speed is DDR333.
 
I wanted to get a basic setup on that motherboard he is using before, like one opteron and one 6600gt to start with.. I have been looking at that motherboard since late november @ 2cpu.com .... it's just beautiful. I still want to know how much the motherboard costs, it was originally estimated to be almost $700 alone or more. ( it has an onboard SCSI controller, along with everything else )
 
Washuu said:
I have been looking at that motherboard since late november @ 2cpu.com .... it's just beautiful. I still want to know how much the motherboard costs, it was originally estimated to be almost $700 alone or more. ( it has an onboard SCSI controller, along with everything else )
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$480 - Tyan S2895A2NRF - No SCSI
http://www.8anet.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=2417&lastcatid=5&step=4

$580 - Tyan S2895UA2NRF - SCSI
http://www.8anet.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=2416&lastcatid=5&step=4
 
BossNoodleKaboodle said:
The hospitals have dedicated lines by which they can access those huge files remotely?
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it would take a while to explain but its a combination of onsite/offsite storage via special units onsite and DVD jukeboxes offsite (every time an image comes into the archive its instantly burned) and vpns so the hospitals can access the older ones within seconds too. Datacenters from coast to coast so if one coast gets hit by a natural disaster or attack, an identical copy is on the other coast. There is 0 downtime. Period. Facilities have biometric security, magnetic keys, etc, etc. It's pretty sweet

insiteone.JPG


But enough hijacking the thread :p
 
wow computerpro3, that's a greta slide.

PACS is a primary role for this type of machine. Yes I have huge SANs holding the core data in some hospitals. On average a regular large hospital can pack away over 3 T a year from 130, 000 studies and /or 18 modalities.

new modality technology has also increased this number with larger adoption of 64-slice Ct and spiral MRI. MRI magnets are common at 3 tesla or more.

Small World

VENTURI
 
nice build,

dually's rule!

and why the hell is this badass dually machine doing in the Video Cards section?!?! when its better suited in teh Multiprocessor section
 
venturi said:
wow computerpro3, that's a greta slide.

PACS is a primary role for this type of machine. Yes I have huge SANs holding the core data in some hospitals. On average a regular large hospital can pack away over 3 T a year from 130, 000 studies and /or 18 modalities.

new modality technology has also increased this number with larger adoption of 64-slice Ct and spiral MRI. MRI magnets are common at 3 tesla or more.

Small World

VENTURI
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you don't by any chance work for GE do you?

edit:

and is this where you get your name from?

http://benoit.gir.free.fr/venturi/dsc02326.jpg
 
Computerpro3

no... I work for myself. I have my own company, staff, buildings and resources.

I have "good" relationship with GE although........


VENTURI
 
venturi said:
Computerpro3

no... I work for myself. I have my own company, staff, buildings and resources.

I have "good" relationship with GE although........


VENTURI
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very nice ;)
 
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