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This is ridiculous: Paper Launch

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Labrador

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This is getting out of fucking hand already :rolleyes: I have heard of paper launches before, but the long wait for the new video cards is a flipping sad joke. First nVidia announced their 6800-Ultra in mid-april, it is almost July = 2 1/2 months later and they are barely just hitting retail, where is the Asus and MSI versions ?

Then ATI said their cards would be available at launch, and the X800-Pro was announced on May4th about 6weeks ago, the X800-XT announced like 1 month ago, and what did they only make like 12 cards or something, because that thing is harder to get than to ask George Bush to tell the truth :rolleyes: And where are the good versions of the X800-XT like H.I.S. ?


So please someone explain to me the real reason as to why it is taking for gosh darn forever to see this cards hit retail or newegg, and I am looking for the either the Asus 6800-Ultra or H.I.S. X800-XT
 
they are not paper launches seeing as there are real end users out there that currently have x800pro's, xt's, and 6800ultra's that they have purchased
 
ATi's yields are fine but GDDR3 is hard to come by so its problematic to aquire enough stock to make the cards. nVidia has low yields on the core. ATi's cards are around, but its hard to get all the stock they want. nVidia just doesnt have enough cores to supply all 3 from their line.
 
you don't know that Nvidia is having core yeild problems, that is speculation. and both companies are having trouble getting enough gddr3, that is the biggest problem for both of them.
 
Koz said:
ATi's yields are fine but GDDR3 is hard to come by so its problematic to aquire enough stock to make the cards. nVidia has low yields on the core. ATi's cards are around, but its hard to get all the stock they want. nVidia just doesnt have enough cores to supply all 3 from their line.
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so why announce a new card that you cant supply the demand for ? Why not wait till you have a good stock pile before you make it official ?
 
I would have to give NVidia a little more crap than ATI on this one. At least ATI had some cards available for sale shortly after they anounced. Its not there fault that certain OEMs are not getting them out as fast as we all would like. As for Nvidia the anounced they cards well before ATI and still dont have anywhere neer as many available. Both are suffering from GDDR3 limits anyway and that is not there fault. The reason they launched is because no one can keep thing quite in the PC hardware industry anymore so why wait.
 
I have a feeling that they both thought that they would have enought Gddr3 before hand, but apparently the yeilds of GDDR3 have been abhorrent and what little does make the grade has to be fought over by the two companies. on top of that, both th 6800U and x800xt need 1.6 nanosecond GDDR3 which is even more rare and difficult to procure. I have a feeling that Nvidia was blindside by this, and ATI knew it was coming because they saw NV's troubles, but jumped into the oncomming truck anyways to prevent Nvidia from hogging the spotlight.
 
I have an x800pro, a buddy of mine has 2 x800xt's, another buddy of mine has a 6800ultra. They are out there, just because you cannot walk into best buy and purchase one does not mean they don't exist.
 
ThisMonsterLives said:
if you really wanted one you would have had one by now :p
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dont know if you read my post, but I said I was wanted the H.I.S. X800-Xt or Asus 6800-Ultra :) If you have a link to a U.S. site that has one of those in stock I'll buy it today, but I highly doubt you'll find either one of those.
 
Dyslexic said:
I would have to give NVidia a little more crap than ATI on this one. At least ATI had some cards available for sale shortly after they anounced. Its not there fault that certain OEMs are not getting them out as fast as we all would like. As for Nvidia the anounced the cards well before ATI and still dont have anywhere neer as many available.
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that is because the x800pro uses slower ram, the far more common 2.0 nanosecond stuff, there was already a bunch of this stuff made for the 5700Ultra, so it isn't supprising that they managed to get a few into the retail channel quickly, the still didn't ship too many though. NV's equivilant card, the 6800GT, uses the same ram and still isn't out though, That is probably because the product wasn't announced until much after the 6800ultra launch.
 
Partner cards are always going to take longer, HIS especially. Most brands are 95% the same anyway it's just a matter of bundle and what color/cooling the card has.

If you're picky about brand then yea it will take longer.
 
Labrador said:
Then ATI said their cards would be available at launch, and the X800-Pro was announced on May4th about 6weeks ago, the X800-XT announced like 1 month ago, and what did they only make like 12 cards or something, because that thing is harder to get than to ask George Bush to tell the truth :rolleyes:
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Maybe GW Bush is holdind them back for a late October release so you will vote for him to get your 6800. Ya never know, Im sure Micheal Moore could find some kind connection between Bush and Nvidia.
 
ThisMonsterLives said:
Partner cards are always going to take longer, HIS especially. Most brands are 95% the same anyway it's just a matter of bundle and what color/cooling the card has.

If you're picky about brand then yea it will take longer.
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you are right regarding a wait for 3rd party cards, but you have to admit even the ATI X800-XT is very [H]ard to come by, I mean WorstBuy, CommyUSA, and CircuitShity dont have any in stock yet ?
 
blah atleast I discovered today when I went to best buy that the x800 xt's are relisted on their site. They didn't have any though, and they didn't know when they were coming. You'd think they'd be more eager to take my $500 purchase, oh well x800 pro for another week it is then.
 
ill probally wait until late july to get my card.(if i can even find it then) im really looking at the asus 6800U and the HIS iceQ x800xt-pe, but it doesnt look like they will be hitting store anytime soon.
 
what's even more ridiculous is the pricing.

anybody who spends $500+ (or even $400) on a video card for gaming has a screw loose.
 
soldano said:
what's even more ridiculous is the pricing.

anybody who spends $500+ (or even $400) on a video card for gaming has a screw loose.
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Really? This card is the last upgrade for this computer. I want it to last for 1.5-2 years. The only thing i see that could allow this comp to last that long is a new gen video card. And, a side note, i wanted to own something "new" for a change.
 
Well the paper launches are annoying. After a launch you would think within two weeks there should be some product available.

The older Nvidia launches were alot better than this. I could generally get a card at Fry's within a few days of the launch.

Intel and AMD are just as guilty too. It seems like paper launches are the thing to do with the computer industry.

As far as the statement that you can not get X800's is BS. I've had my X800Pro since May 15th.
 
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Originally Posted by soldano
what's even more ridiculous is the pricing.

anybody who spends $500+ (or even $400) on a video card for gaming has a screw loose.


Hey..ill admit to this, (I just spent $450 on an x800), if you think about it, spending $500 on a video card, just to play games is ridiculous, and that doesnt include ram, mobo, and proc. $500 can feed a child in asia for a year, but who cares, as long as my games are 50+ fps, i work to support my addiction to PCs
:)
 
I can see why people want the asus 6800 Ultra. I wish my card looked like that.

asus1.jpg


asus2.jpg
 
Heh I think the rarity also helps to keep the prices high like they want them. Though who knows what up with Nvidia's cards.
 
Brent_Justice said:
they are not paper launches seeing as there are real end users out there that currently have x800pro's, xt's, and 6800ultra's that they have purchased
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That's debatable, while there is an arguement to say that, since there are retail cards out there it's technically not a paper launch.

That they are ridiculously thin on the ground for something that is supposed to be "launched" is beyond dispute.

I can't just go out and buy one, that, to me, is a paper launch.

If they'd kicked out loads of them and high demand had lead to shortages it'd be different, but there has only been a trickle from the outset.

I don't know where I saw it, so it's provenance is suspect, but I've seen it said that nvidia only put out 100 ultras initially, and that even now production hasn't been fully ramped up yet, so they are effectively still just producing in sampling numbers.

That said I'm happy enough to wait until august for my Gainward extreme GS.
 
ThisMonsterLives said:
I can see why people want the asus 6800 Ultra. I wish my card looked like that.
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Damn, that asus is purty, still not blowing 600 bucks on it tho ;)
 
hmm that ultra almost make me want one to get one over x800xt. whats the asus x800xt look like? looks mean alot to me like 10% on the deciding facter when i buy a card lol and sence they peform about the same why not have the one that looks the coolest eh?
 
Waiting to see what Gainward is going to it, anything on Asus's version of ATI's card?
 
That ASUS looks nice, but I think it is a GT version (single slot). The Ultra is a 2 slot solution right now. Here's mine :) . Notice on the ASUS card, they screwed up on the cooler fins , there not strait.
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Koz said:
ATi's yields are fine but GDDR3 is hard to come by so its problematic to aquire enough stock to make the cards. nVidia has low yields on the core. ATi's cards are around, but its hard to get all the stock they want. nVidia just doesnt have enough cores to supply all 3 from their line.
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Which company(s) is supplying the GDDR3 for the new cards?
 
Brent_Justice said:
they are not paper launches seeing as there are real end users out there that currently have x800pro's, xt's, and 6800ultra's that they have purchased
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yeah, but....even in the channel, brent, there's scarce availability on these parts. I'm backordered on these from most places and the 6800 ultras aren't necessarily available in most places.

cheers,

dave
 
6800s (base, GT, and Ultra) for sale in the UK = 0
X800 Pros for sale in the UK = 6 (Asus, Club 3D, Connect 3D, MSI, Sapphire and Powercolor)
X800 (else) for sale in the UK = 0

Paper launch? What do you think?
 
Personally I don't think the lack of supply has anything to do with low yields, lack of ddr3 or anything like that. As usual Nvidia and Ati are trying sell off more of their older core cards before flooding the market with the new ones and driving the price of their previous top of the line cards way down. Remember how the prices of the 9500/9700, GF4 Ti4600 didn't fall very quickly after the launch of the 9800/pro and FX series?
 
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