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KarsusTG

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What is with every game company trying to force you to install their own malware to play the damn games. Just launched Anno2070 and it updated to include it's own malware.. "Uplay!" All these programs do is force you to break their DRM. At least you should be. These things do nothing but collect data on you and provide them a way to get into your computer.

Why the fuck do these people think they have a right to know when I am online or off. What my name, address, phone number, or whether I prefer sweet or salty.. As far as I am concerned I should be able to by the game at the store and just be another +1 purchase statistic.

This is fricken scary and straight from their ToS...

"Typically, this information includes: name email address telephone number shipping and billing address, and for those purchasing products online, credit card information. Additionally, we may also collect other types of non-personal information (known as demographic information) such as your age or date of birth, gender, country and zip code of residence, recent game purchases, and game ownership and preferences. This demographic information may be associated with your personal information. Information Collected Through Technology We collect information through technology to make our websites more interesting and useful to you. For example, when you come to one of our websites, we collect your IP address. An IP address is often associated with the portal through which you enter the Internet, like your ISP (Internet service provider), your company, or your university. Standing alone, your IP address is not personally identifiable. At times, we also use IP addresses to collect information regarding the frequency with which our guests visit various parts of our websites. We may combine this information with personally identifiable information."

There is not a single piece of information in there that they SHOULD have.. In fact there is no requirement for a single piece of that info... Why in the hell would they require a record of my ip addresses?

This is just driving me to break their DRM and it's wasting my time. I don't think I am alone in this...
 
Uplay is similar to Steam/Origin, though very buggy. I am not a fan of it at all. It is rather confusing to use and makes playing Wings of Prey a chore.
 
Don't like it, don't accept it and request a refund because of it. You are not being forced to buy, and thereby agreeing, to the EULA.
 
xIronCrossx said:
Don't like it, don't accept it and request a refund because of it. You are not being forced to buy, and thereby agreeing, to the EULA.
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In this case, I didnt have a choice. I launched the game and it had updated and now you are required to use uplay to play the game you already owned...

But your right and I have already put ea and ubisoft on my boycott list.

My favorite part is where it says it's against the ToS for you to provide them with false information, which is all that I will ever provide them with.
 
You know what gets even older? Making silly thread titles like this.
 
KarsusTG said:
In this case, I didnt have a choice. I launched the game and it had updated and now you are required to use uplay to play the game you already owned...

But your right and I have already put ea and ubisoft on my boycott list.

My favorite part is where it says it's against the ToS for you to provide them with false information, which is all that I will ever provide them with.
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You should be able to contact CS I'm guessing and explain you don't accept their new EULA and would like your money back.
 
KarsusTG said:
In this case, I didnt have a choice. I launched the game and it had updated and now you are required to use uplay to play the game you already owned...

But your right and I have already put ea and ubisoft on my boycott list.

My favorite part is where it says it's against the ToS for you to provide them with false information, which is all that I will ever provide them with.
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Wait, wait, if EA and Ubisoft are on your boycott list why isn't Valve? Remember how Valve has Steam?

You know what gets old? People loving Valve for no reason...
 
Bobthecoolguy said:
Wait, wait, if EA and Ubisoft are on your boycott list why isn't Valve? Remember how Valve has Steam?

You know what gets old? People loving Valve for no reason...
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At least steam/valve does alto to help support small Indies developers and help bring more games and companies onto the scene. That for me makes me forgive their requirement for the client. That and i everyone i know uses steam so i have it running all the time anyways for chat
 
SCSI-Terminator said:
Same could be said of sheep that don't stand up for their rights.
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Same could be said for the hyperbolic reactions of those opposed.

Or people throwing around the word 'rights' without understanding the proper meaning of that word.

Editor's note:
I a by no means a fan of DRM, particularly some of the stuff Ubi Soft has gone with, and sympathize with KarsusTG as the rules of the game were changed in the middle, but as others have pointed out, the best option would be (or perhaps would have been, it's probably too late now) to go to Ubi and/or Steam's customer support and inform them you are unwilling to install the new client as required by the change in licensing and attempt to get a refund or credit.
 
Another thing about Steam and why people love them is that for one their software isnt buggy and doesnt ruin your gaming experience. 2nd, they have regular sales where you can buy games for $5. And Valve has done a lot more for the PC gaming community then EA, Ubisoft or any other company out there. Steam is very transparent and you dont even know its running. And before Steam, people were still having to go to their local Game Stop to buy their games. So yeah, I totally get why people that hate and despise EA and Origin can still love Valve and Steam.

The worst one and the one I hate the most is GFWL. Nothing more enraging than firing up Batman Arkham City for some fun and being forced to sit there scratching my balls while GAWFL downloads yet another update. And then once its done, you have to close out the game so that it can finish installing the update. My all time favorite though is when you have to restart your computer for the update to take effect. I just want to play the fucking game that I payed for! I just dont understand these increasingly cumbersome DRM's. Im the honest guy that shelled out $40-60 of his hard earned cash for the game and yet Im the one having to sit for 10 minutes while your stupid DRM updates?
 
I really hate software that comes bundled with other software, and especially the BS that comes on prebuilt computers. I consider most of it spyware/adware/bloatware and delete it.
 
Games have been doing this since the 90's and honestly should of stopped a while ago. Not sure why the OP is just now figuring this out.

Sierra games were the WORST.
 
FreiDOg said:
Or people throwing around the word 'rights' without understanding the proper meaning of that word.
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Like the right to know what you are buying and truth in advertising?

=FreiDOg said:
Editor's note:
I a by no means a fan of DRM, particularly some of the stuff Ubi Soft has gone with, and sympathize with KarsusTG as the rules of the game were changed in the middle, but as others have pointed out, the best option would be (or perhaps would have been, it's probably too late now) to go to Ubi and/or Steam's customer support and inform them you are unwilling to install the new client as required by the change in licensing and attempt to get a refund or credit.
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Yep I agree, demanding a refund is about the best the OP can hope for now, sorry to hear he was a victim of "shrink wrap" licensing.
 
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i would rather have steam type drm instead of BS like TAGES

steam i dont mind at all they just keep making it better and better it seems. EA's Origin atm i think is huge turd atm it might get better, UPlay have not really used to much yet so not sure

The way I see it is DRM sucks balls, but its here to stay sadly at least for now unless we get more folks making games like CD Projekt
 
Online DRM is here to stay. Get use to it. We can all thank Steam.
 
The problem is that online DRM works. Once you start hiding features, code, and content behind a login and password, you make the job of the pirates much harder. They can't simply crack a copy protection and then be set for the next few months. They have to develop server emulator software for each title and that takes long enough that developers get all their important month 1 and month 2 sales done.

So from the perspective of a developer, they have nothing to lose. There are vocal complaints on the Internet, but when those vocal complaints are not reflected in sales numbers, the complaints may as well not exist.
 
Just to be technical about it- Anno 2070 has always required Uplay to function. That hasn't changed at all- what's different is that Ubisoft recently released an update to the UPlay software that seems to make it more obvious that it's an online login thing. There really wasn't any changing of terms on the fly here.

But personally speaking yes it is annoying. I find it a pain to have to launch steam and then launch UPlay just to launch the game I purchased.
 
NKDietrich said:
So from the perspective of a developer, they have nothing to lose. There are vocal complaints on the Internet, but when those vocal complaints are not reflected in sales numbers, the complaints may as well not exist.
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The two aren't mutually-exclusive though. A lot of these complaints would come from paying customers (who have contributed to the sales figures) who go onto a forum to rage about some kind of "cannot connect to server / error37 / servers are full / cannot verify username and password / cannot connect to the network / fuck off we're busy" message that locks them out of the product that they have paid for, accepted a EULA for, used up a serial code on and cannot get a refund for.

I am starting to agree that DRM is here to stay...the piracy figures for the DRM-less The Witcher 2 were pretty damning. Steam and Origin both attempt to provide some kind of benefits to having their 'malware' running and I think that is the key to winning over the critics...make the DRM a minor element of a bigger service rather than the DRM being the program's sole purpose.
 
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SCSI-Terminator said:
Like the right to know what you are buying and truth in advertising?
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We'll, I live in the US, so check your local constitution, but I'm pretty sure there's not 'right' to know what you're buying. Plenty of laws that govern those subjects, but those are a whole different ballgame.

Now, there are still consumer protection laws and court precedents that grant consumers the ability to return a product if they decline the EULA in most cases. The problem here is that KarsusTG probably agreed to the original EULA which undoubtedly said : We (UbiSoft) can alter this agreement anytime we want in any way we want, you're only legal recourse should we decide to do that is to pray we do not alter it any further.

Caveat emptor is still the best practice when it comes to companies with track records you don't condone.
 
Don't buy it. Pirate it, enjoy it, and send them an anonymous letter detailing your grievances. Be sure to mention that you enjoyed the game, and would certainly pay to support the company that created it if they ceased bundling required malware with the game. A moralistic pirate? Who'd believe it?!
 
Plague_Injected said:
I am starting to agree that DRM is here to stay...the piracy figures for the DRM-less The Witcher 2 were pretty damning. Steam and Origin both attempt to provide some kind of benefits to having their 'malware' running and I think that is the key to winning over the critics...make the DRM a minor element of a bigger service rather than the DRM being the program's sole purpose.
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I don't mind any really as long as it isn't stacked. Uplay should only be on titles distributed directly through Ubisoft. GFWL should only be distributed if the title is not already on Steam or Origin and even then only to Somalian pirates, Brazilian Ex-Nazi, and Klansmen.
 
FreiDOg said:
you're only legal recourse should we decide to do that is to pray we do not alter it any further.
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