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lekyiscool

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well ive read articles on bit tech about how to set a web server / torrent /file sharing/ ftp
server
and it basically says i don't need a strong pc for a server that does all of these functions for my home and since i wanted to build a website and not pay for hosting i decided to start thinking about buying a computer to do all of this for a extremely cheap price
so basicly i want a very small compact box for as cheap as possible that will preform the above functions for space i have decided 100gb or even 50gb is all i will need to start off
the rest im not sure but iwant this pc to be very EFFECient =) since it will be on 24/7 so cpu is a big question mark ( do i even need a powerful cpu for these tasks)

thanks
 
yes well php and mysql with apache i will only use the server to host i will design the pages with another pc and then put it in teh apache folder were it views it i have no clue how this stuff will work beacuse im just assuming this will work from the stuff ive read

beacuse after im done building this and setting everything up i want to be able to edit pages with php and mysql on a diffirent pc then upload it to a ftp which will be hosted through apache usuing xubuntu as the os

does this sound like doable
also why would i need 512 mb ram could i go lower since im not going to realy do anything on this pc other then it acting as a ftp/ web host (apache , with my sql, php), sharing file/ server
 
lekyiscool said:
yes well php and mysql with apache i will only use the server to host i will design the pages with another pc and then put it in teh apache folder were it views it i have no clue how this stuff will work beacuse im just assuming this will work from the stuff ive read

beacuse after im done building this and setting everything up i want to be able to edit pages with php and mysql on a diffirent pc then upload it to a ftp which will be hosted through apache usuing xubuntu as the os

does this sound like doable
also why would i need 512 mb ram could i go lower since im not going to realy do anything on this pc other then it acting as a ftp/ web host (apache , with my sql, php), sharing file/ server
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You could go lower, but RAM is more important than CPU in this. Don't go under 256MB.

Any P3 or Duron over 1GHz will be more than sufficient. Dump in a bunch of RAM. Shove it in the cheapest case you can find and use a spare/cheap monitor to set it up. Then shove it in a closet or something with just a power and ethernet cord. Use SSH to manage it.
 
Really, any machine you throw at this will work fine. just make sure to throw a bit of RAM in it and you'll be golden
What's your budget like?
 
that sounds great actually i think i might be able to dig up one extra pc laying around a freinds work place prolly one with a gig ram and il prolly just get a bigger hardrive around 250 or 320 gb and prolly with a pretty decent proccesor so i think this should be suffucient i also think im ganna have to do some sounproofing

but it is possible to be able to do what i want from this server

"beacuse after im done building this and setting everything up i want to be able to edit pages with php and mysql on a diffirent pc then upload it to a ftp which will be hosted through apache usuing xubuntu as the os

does this sound like doable"

thanks guys im currently looking around dell and others to see a cheap box with small footprint
 
lekyiscool said:
"beacuse after im done building this and setting everything up i want to be able to edit pages with php and mysql on a diffirent pc then upload it to a ftp which will be hosted through apache usuing xubuntu as the os
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Yes it's possible. Use a webserver like Apache and get a FTP client to upload the files. :cool:
 
If you're planning on running a webserver from your home, you will have to check that your connection is up to it. First problem will be that you probably won't have a fixed IP address.
 
I'm thinking of doing the same but I have HD content that I'd like to strem from it, Do I then need more power?
 
theDeviL said:
I'm thinking of doing the same but I have HD content that I'd like to strem from it, Do I then need more power?
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You will need a decent internet connection (pipe) of a few Mb UPLOAD to stream 1 HD stream. Over a LAN you should be fine.
 
lost eden said:
First problem will be that you probably won't have a fixed IP address.
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There are many dynamic DNS services that will update DNS records automagically if/when your dynamic IP changes. Some of them can even run right on your wireless router :cool:
 
make sure your ISP allows HTTP servers, many home ISP's dont and are more then happy to shut you down if they find it, key word is if.

i fid it easier to pay $9 a month for some place like phpwebhosting.com andlet them worry about backups and service.
 
well i have adsl connection but how would maintain secuity for the server if its going to be a file server/ webserver/ and all that biggest secuity threat is the webserver how would i be able to manege this safely

if someone breaks into my server will they have acces to all the computers on the network or only the public files such as shared files and such


thanks (btw i found a decent pc 1gb ram celeron i think its like 1.8ghz im ganan have to run to see but it should serve me fine until i find another if needed)

for the static ip stuff cant u just run a script like this
http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
and done???
 
If you put the server in the DMZ then it will be isolated from your network. Also that script has nothing to do with your ISP
 
not sure on adsl but on my cable connection i have had the same ip for allmost a year.
 
and couldnt you just use dynamic dns?

edit: didnt notice this has been stated 10 times allready :D
 
hey is this the DMZ on my router configuration for firewall or is it somethign else cuz its says its less secure weird

Allow all applications (DMZplus mode) – Set the selected computer in DMZplus mode. All inbound traffic, except traffic which has been specifically assigned to another computer using the “Allow individual applications” feature, will automatically be directed to this computer. The DMZplus-enabled computer is less secure because all unassigned firewall ports are opened for that computer.
 
ring.of.steel said:
not sure on adsl but on my cable connection i have had the same ip for allmost a year.
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What's the bet he doesn't understand what we're talking about & he's actually talking about 192.168.0.x of his computer rather than the address his ISP is giving to his modem/router?
 
lost eden said:
What's the bet he doesn't understand what we're talking about & he's actually talking about 192.168.0.x of his computer rather than the address his ISP is giving to his modem/router?
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Well, it's fairly common on cable to get the same IP for long stretches of time
 
lost eden said:
What's the bet he doesn't understand what we're talking about & he's actually talking about 192.168.0.x of his computer rather than the address his ISP is giving to his modem/router?
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My IP address (from the cable ISP) only changes about once a year.
 
alrighty so i palyed with xubuntu except havin some difficulties after i get another pc im ganna use ubuntu its esier i have herd for a newbie and after i have everyting set up as i like i will disable the GUI save power and shove it in a closet or soemthign

but lets say i configure the pritn server and file server at this stage I NEED an static ip for the ftp webserver and torrent server
is this correct or could i say isntall the ftp server and torrent server without a static ip
 
lekyiscool said:
alrighty so i palyed with xubuntu except havin some difficulties after i get another pc im ganna use ubuntu its esier i have herd for a newbie and after i have everyting set up as i like i will disable the GUI save power and shove it in a closet or soemthign

but lets say i configure the pritn server and file server at this stage I NEED an static ip for the ftp webserver and torrent server
is this correct or could i say isntall the ftp server and torrent server without a static ip
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you do not have a static ip, you dont need a static ip, and you cant get one.

Dynamic Dns


^^ You no longer need a static ip for a domain
 
lekyiscool said:
alrighty so i palyed with xubuntu except havin some difficulties after i get another pc im ganna use ubuntu its esier i have herd for a newbie and after i have everyting set up as i like i will disable the GUI save power and shove it in a closet or soemthign

but lets say i configure the pritn server and file server at this stage I NEED an static ip for the ftp webserver and torrent server
is this correct or could i say isntall the ftp server and torrent server without a static ip
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Your router obtains a publicly addressable IP address from your ISP using DHCP. This is a dynamic IP and changes periodically. You cannot get a static IP from your ISP unless you pay them a lot of money for a business account.

Your router then hands out private, non-publicly addressable IPs (probably in the 192.168.0.x range) to the computers on your local network.

You can set your actual computers up to use static IPs, but these IPs are only addressable on your LAN. Nothing you do on your PCs will affect what IP you get from the ISP, because the router handles all that by itself.
 
kumquat said:
Nothing you do on your PCs will affect what IP you get from the ISP, because the router handles all that by itself.
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There is nothing you can do to your router to get a static ip. The three things you need for a static ip is a load of cash + a phone + the number for your isp :p
 
ic i get it but i dont actually need an ip beacuse of sites like dyndns and no-ip
im ganna ssign up at no-ip now

btw server specs are
Intel Celeron 2.6 GHz
400 MHz Front side bus
1 GB ram
40 gb ide hard drive looking for a quiter 160gb ide drive

is this pc good enough to handle all those cgi scripts and stuff
 
lekyiscool said:
ic i get it but i dont actually need an ip beacuse of sites like dyndns and no-ip
im ganna ssign up at no-ip now

btw server specs are
Intel Celeron 2.6 GHz
400 MHz Front side bus
1 GB ram
40 gb ide hard drive looking for a quiter 160gb ide drive

is this pc good enough to handle all those cgi scripts and stuff
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Yes, that PC is fine.
 
lekyiscool said:
ic i get it but i dont actually need an ip beacuse of sites like dyndns and no-ip
im ganna ssign up at no-ip now

btw server specs are
Intel Celeron 2.6 GHz
400 MHz Front side bus
1 GB ram
40 gb ide hard drive looking for a quiter 160gb ide drive

is this pc good enough to handle all those cgi scripts and stuff
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should be fine, if anything was to be a bottleneck it would be your adsl.
 
What sort of load are you expecting?

small load just starting out making a page to sell some books

but also take im taking into consideration that it will also be a multi purpose server but for starting out it should be good btw good news i just found a 2 gb memory pc with a pentium 4 but it dfintely needs a new harddrive its soo noisy
 
lekyiscool said:
What sort of load are you expecting?

small load just starting out making a page to sell some books

but also take im taking into consideration that it will also be a multi purpose server but for starting out it should be good btw good news i just found a 2 gb memory pc with a pentium 4 but it dfintely needs a new harddrive its soo noisy
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Your ISP might let you get away with a simple personal page or similar, but they might take serious exception to you hosting a commercial web site.

If you plan on attempting to sell anything, do it the right way and go with a hosting service. Especially given your lack of knowledge, you can do a lot more harm than good.
 
kumquat said:
Your ISP might let you get away with a simple personal page or similar, but they might take serious exception to you hosting a commercial web site.

If you plan on attempting to sell anything, do it the right way and go with a hosting service. Especially given your lack of knowledge, you can do a lot more harm than good.
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qfe
 
kumquat said:
Your ISP might let you get away with a simple personal page or similar, but they might take serious exception to you hosting a commercial web site.

If you plan on attempting to sell anything, do it the right way and go with a hosting service. Especially given your lack of knowledge, you can do a lot more harm than good.
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and the price vs headaches is well worth it!
 
lol i kinda enjoy learnign about this stuff its kinda of a hobby so id rather learn and go through the headaches lol :D


but about those comments for the DMZ mode is this it on my router
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hey is this the DMZ on my router configuration for firewall or is it somethign else cuz its says its less secure weird

Allow all applications (DMZplus mode) – Set the selected computer in DMZplus mode. All inbound traffic, except traffic which has been specifically assigned to another computer using the “Allow individual applications” feature, will automatically be directed to this computer. The DMZplus-enabled computer is less secure because all unassigned firewall ports are opened for that computer."
 
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