There's too much code in websites

[hedron]

It used be, well way way back in the 70s & early 80s, that programmers competed to create the most complicated application using only one single line of code. Now, it seems that they compete to create the most simplest thing in the most amount of code possible.

This translates into far more bandwidth used up surfing the internet as well as applications that are just too bloated to be useful. It's annoying when all you want to do is read a small article and the website insists you download tons of javascript, css and whatever else their coders decided to make their website look more colorful than it really needs to be.

 

[lilfiend]

still rocking 56k then?

 

[PTNL]

It's annoying when all you want to do is read a small article and the website insists you download tons of javascript, css and whatever else their coders decided to make their website look more colorful than it really needs to be.

See if the site offers a RSS feed instead.

still rocking 56k then?

Agreed -- sometimes nostalgia is a blurry pair of glasses.

 

[hedron]

See if the site offers a RSS feed instead.

When I'm only there to read one single article and then leave?

Agreed -- sometimes nostalgia is a blurry pair of glasses.

It's got nothing to do with nostalgia. Many websites are ridiculously bloated to the point where it feels like I'm on 56k.

 

[jojo69]

There is a law, can't remember the name right now, data will expand to fill any available storage/bandwidth

this is why, in spite of Moore's law being fully in effect, the computing experience is little changed

 

[PTNL]

When I'm only there to read one single article and then leave

Oh... Your first post read more like you wanted the single article off a site that you commonly visit. This changes my response to "move on to another site".

 

[Bob002]

I think it also has to do with people not actually coding the websites, but using 3rd party softwares. A lot of them actually ad a lot of bloated code.

 

[hedron]

There is a law, can't remember the name right now, data will expand to fill any available storage/bandwidth

this is why, in spite of Moore's law being fully in effect, the computing experience is little changed

Yea, I remember someone was predicting that computers would allow to have 2 or 3 day work weeks and other things like that. Though I think that this could have been true, if people weren't so obsessed with, "keeping up with the jones'."

I do agree with the other guy that it's part "lazy" coders who use applications to program instead of doing it by hand. Just for fun a few years ago I made a website using only notepad, but then decided I wanted to do something more complicated, and stuck it in some web design program and it added all this code to it and I said screw it.

 

[collegeboy69us]

it's the same thing as back in the 90's I would go buy the latest and greatest game and everything I needed was on a couple of floppies, or *gasp* a CD.

Now I download 30GB in just a few hours via steam for a single game that has a high chance of sucking.

Add in the fact that these days -- people don't seem happy with basic content, everyone wants bling, and flashing vibrant crap on their screen as if they were on some vegas slot machine.

 

[devil22]

I would say that the reason for this is that as CPU, RAM and Network bandwidth increase, it gives programmers the ability to not optimize as much. Optimization seems like a good thing to the end user, but you can usually complete a task and thus do more tasks in total, if you don't spend excessive time optimizing. Now it depends on what code is in question, but I would say generally this is a good thing. There are many ways to use extra resources, saving programmer time and thus money, is a good way to the point of reason (as with many things.)

 

[Liger88]

Programming software? I'd say your analysis is dead on. Programmers these days are beyond lazy and ridiculous when it comes to coding. Maybe that's partially to do with the environment being extremely user friendly and resources going up at such a rate people don't care about optimization. It really is sad. Bad code comes from the one man army developers, all the way up to high-end corporations.

With regards to websites. Most of the problems is due to the "glitter" developers ad. The web is fairly stale. One of the reasons big businesses are constantly redesigning what isn't broke just for the sake of giving people the "freshness" that somethings changed when reality is nothing has. It's to a point these days that it'll piss just about anyone off whose been around awhile. Sure, Java, javascript, CSS, etc. add to the glitter and clutter, more or less it comes down to bad code placement. The loading of each and every page should be well thought out in advance. Often times you'll find the random glitter popping up before even the damn text does on some sites.

The worst......and I mean the worst cause for web slowdown IMHO has everything to do with third party advertisements. Most are contacting the ad server and I've seen entire pages refuse to load for over a minute while trying to contact the ad server and given I'm using Opera this can often times lock up the scrolling ability. Small annoyance but can utterly piss you off.

Just my $.02

 

[crzykid71]

It used be, well way way back in the 70s & early 80s, that programmers competed to create the most complicated application using only one single line of code. Now, it seems that they compete to create the most simplest thing in the most amount of code possible.

This translates into far more bandwidth used up surfing the internet as well as applications that are just too bloated to be useful. It's annoying when all you want to do is read a small article and the website insists you download tons of javascript, css and whatever else their coders decided to make their website look more colorful than it really needs to be.

it's not popular to create custom/standard header files for C++ but it should be, that was created in 1979 c++... different derivatives of that are new and old c sharp..java.. Coding really needs something,a new very very bright mind.

 

[wonderfield]

You have plenty of options here. In order of least drastic to most drastic: NoScript/NotScript; disable JavaScript; use Lynx or some other text-only browser. You can also disable images to speed up page loads.

 

[bigdogchris]

The more complex a website is, the more code it takes.

But yes, even basic text/images can look complex when you throw in CSS, but CSS makes websites easier to manage, which is worth the extra code.

Also, many web editors use CMS based sites, which require almost no html editing at all. So while there is a lot of code laying out the foundation, you're not really touching it. That amount of complex code is required for a CMS to function, but is built by an web architect.

 

[gamerk2]

There is a law, can't remember the name right now, data will expand to fill any available storage/bandwidth

this is why, in spite of Moore's law being fully in effect, the computing experience is little changed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustafson's_Law

Gustafson's law addresses the shortcomings of Amdahl's law, which does not fully exploit the computing power that becomes available as the number of machines increases. Gustafson's Law instead proposes that programmers tend to set the size of problems to use the available equipment to solve problems within a practical fixed time. Therefore, if faster (more parallel) equipment is available, larger problems can be solved in the same time.

 

[jojo69]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustafson's_Law

thanks, yes, that is it