The quest for 20K in 3Dmark01

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Okay, some of you may have read my previous posts regarding my new 6800 NU, and my low 3dmark scores. Well, my first 3dmark01 score was an abysmal 12,500 or so, and 3dmark05 ran at about 0 fps so i gave up on that.

well, with installing GART, unlocking all 16 pipes and 6 vertex shaders, tightening up my ram timings on my system, and installing 75.something nvidia drivers, i got my score all the way up to...da da da dum... 17324. Im wondering if i can hit 20,000 with all the stuff i have.

Here is my system:

P4 2.4C @ 3.0 Ghz (FSB = 250x4)
RAM: 2x512 MB Mushkin blue line pc3200 (2-8-3-3-3) dual channel, running at 400 mhz (5:4 divider from CPU)
128 mb geforce FX 6800 NU (16 pipes, 6 VS unlocked, but wont overclock even 1 mhz)
Abit IS7-G motherboard (with latest intel drivers and BIOS).

Okay lets make this a team project. Help me achieve 20,000 3dmarks in 3dmark01se.

Thanks!
 
I hope you can hit 20k. Here is my setup:

Athlon XP Mobile at 2.4 GHz (12*200)
6600gt at 525/945, 71.84 drivers
1024 mb crucial ballistix at 2-2-2-8

And I score about 175xx. Your video card should score about 3500 more than me and you processor should be pretty close to equal. You just need to do some tweaking.
 
ummm i hit 23.5k with my 9800xt (sold) and my current athlon 64 3200+ easily...a 6800NU>9800xt..but really....tighten ur ram timings..increase fsb... and mostly..overclock cpu hehe..but dang..ur 2.4c is already at 3.0ghz..you should be doing 3dmark03 and 05 now..forget 01
 
3dmark2k1 is very cpu based... so obviously the above poster's 3200+ is going to beat your overclocked 2.4C.
 
With that video card I guess your gonna have to overclock that processor some more. 2001 was the last 3D mark where Cpu speed made a decent difference. If you really want 20K trade me your 6800 for my superior 9800pro since it gets 20K pts in 2001 :p
 
hahha, thats funny since i just sold a 9800 pro in favor of this lower-scoring 6800. so i figured it doesnt make sense. especially since games run about 3x better now

Good news though!

When i first popped in the card and installed nvidia driers, i got a measily 2000 in 3dmark05. with all the changed i made, i got 4289. Much better! Thats with leaving all the background applications running too since i didnt bother turning off somethings.

I keep playing with it, but any more tips will be helpful.
 
You might want to try this program Game XP
http://www.theorica.net/gamexp.htm

it's free, and it turns off all unessassary processes that run in the background...it also has a restore, but make sure you click restore and not Windows Default, otherwise you may loose some of your Windows custom settings.

lets see what your benches are using this.
 
bjornb17 said:
thanks! i'll try it right now and report back.
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What are your memory timings?

I get 23.6k with a x700 on beta windows 64

only with 2360 mhz.

Run 3d mark 01 in this order for best results.

lobby,car,nature,dragon

close all programs including explorer and set 3dmark to realtime
 
PuckerFactor said:
You might want to try this program Game XP
http://www.theorica.net/gamexp.htm

it's free, and it turns off all unessassary processes that run in the background...it also has a restore, but make sure you click restore and not Windows Default, otherwise you may loose some of your Windows custom settings.

lets see what your benches are using this.
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that bumped it up to about 4600 and a couple more FPS. The best part about that tool is that all of windows is running faster now! Thanks!
 
skratch said:
What are your memory timings?

I get 23.6k with a x700 on beta windows 64

only with 2360 mhz.

Run 3d mark 01 in this order for best results.

lobby,car,nature,dragon

close all programs including explorer and set 3dmark to realtime
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my ram timings are 2-7-3-3, which is what my ram is rated at
 
bjornb17 said:
my ram timings are 2-7-3-3, which is what my ram is rated at
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What kind of ram do you have?

try going with 2-2-2-5 1t

or even 2-3-3-5
 
i've tried that before and never had luck with it. I'm getting 1 more GB in a couple days (not with the hope of a higher 3dmark score), but will the ram increase my score anyway? 2gb pc3200 in dual channel
 
bjornb17 said:
i've tried that before and never had luck with it. I'm getting 1 more GB in a couple days (not with the hope of a higher 3dmark score), but will the ram increase my score anyway? 2gb pc3200 in dual channel
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Tight timing will increase your score alot.

I gained 3k going from stock timings to really tight timings.(I have a good pair of bh5 sticks)

If your getting new ram try and get some tccd chips or new bh5
 
well its some value stuff haha :) i doubt it will run really tight timings but it will probably run the same as what i have now. however, i'll will play with it when i get it to see what happens.
 
bjornb17 said:
well its some value stuff haha :) i doubt it will run really tight timings but it will probably run the same as what i have now. however, i'll will play with it when i get it to see what happens.
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Download memtest 86 and see how tight your ram can go
 
with that gamexp program and some mild overclocking for the 6800, my 3dmark01se score is up to about 18,000. definately getting better :)
 
skratch said:
Download memtest 86 and see how tight your ram can go
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i never thought about that. good idea! i'll give it a try, and thanks again for all the help
 
okay i ran it through once cycle with my current setup. no errors. just thought i'd try it :) when i get my two new sticks of ddr, i'll begin the process of tightening up the timings.
 
It would be helpful if you could give a complete report of your best run.
Each test is affected differently by gpu , cpu and ram.

Something like this (from a test run of mine):
vga @ (16,6) , 400/900
cpu @ 9x277
ram @ 227 , 3-3-3-8-1t
forceware 71.84

result : 24385
GT1 low: 345.4
GT1 high:110.5
GT2 low: 436.8
GT2 high:234.6
GT3 low: 317.7
GT3 high:140.7
GT4: 170.2

Alternatively you could upload the score and give a compare link.
It could help people with similar setups to see if there is something wrong with yours.
It would also show which tests give you really bad results , therefore which component you should focus on pushing.

You might like to know the formula for calculating the total score.
It is (low detail fps)*10 + (high detail fps)*20 , where GT4 counts for high detail.

Run each test individually , until you determine the absolute best you can get for each.
Then try to get all maximums at the same run , repeating each test as needed.

Also note that geforce 6 cards are extremely bad at 3DMark01.
I need 16 pipelines and a decent overclock to get a clear lead over my own scores with a 9800pro , despite the fact that the 6800 is twice as fast in games.
 
apocalypse said:
Also note that geforce 6 cards are extremely bad at 3DMark01.
I need 16 pipelines and a decent overclock to get a clear lead over my own scores with a 9800pro , despite the fact that the 6800 is twice as fast in games.
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Maybe thats it. I am clearning my 9800 pro scroes by about 2000 in 3dmark01se, but the card just blazes on games, with 4x aa and 16af with max settings, and it runs them just perfectly. That's what really matters to me, but ever since working on improving my 3dmark scroes, im getting better performance across the board now, so definately worth the time.

Also,i tried tightening my ram timings, but the fastest i could get without having to do a CMOS reset was 2-5-3-3. that increased my score but about 200. I'll see what the additional gig does tomorrow :)
 
bjornb17 said:
Maybe thats it. I am clearning my 9800 pro scroes by about 2000 in 3dmark01se, but the card just blazes on games, with 4x aa and 16af with max settings, and it runs them just perfectly. That's what really matters to me, but ever since working on improving my 3dmark scroes, im getting better performance across the board now, so definately worth the time.

Also,i tried tightening my ram timings, but the fastest i could get without having to do a CMOS reset was 2-5-3-3. that increased my score but about 200. I'll see what the additional gig does tomorrow :)
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Adding more ram wont help your score much.

You need to buy ram that can do 2-2-2-5 1t you will gain at least 1k from going 2-2-2-?

what ram did you order.
 
i think he has 1x1024 stick right now; so second 1024 stick will put him in dual channel which might make a difference i think
 
actually i have 2x512 right now in dual channel, but will have 4x512 total, tomorrow. I didn't buy the ram in hopes of increasing my 3dmark score, i just ordered it because it only cost $90. its that corsair ram that you can find in the hot deals section. i dont really like the idea of paying a huge sum for 2-2-2 memory when the performance gain isnt worth the price difference IMO.

I tried to tighten the timings to 2-5-2-3 or 2-5-3-2 but the computer doesnt boot at those settings. the lowest it will go to is 2-5-3-3. Do i have to have the last 2 numbers the same, like 2-5-2-2 or 2-5-3-3 to work, or can they be different?
 
bjornb17 said:
actually i have 2x512 right now in dual channel, but will have 4x512 total, tomorrow. I didn't buy the ram in hopes of increasing my 3dmark score, i just ordered it because it only cost $90. its that corsair ram that you can find in the hot deals section. i dont really like the idea of paying a huge sum for 2-2-2 memory when the performance gain isnt worth the price difference IMO.

I tried to tighten the timings to 2-5-2-3 or 2-5-3-2 but the computer doesnt boot at those settings. the lowest it will go to is 2-5-3-3. Do i have to have the last 2 numbers the same, like 2-5-2-2 or 2-5-3-3 to work, or can they be different?
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the most important numbers are the first 3 and for best results you need 2-2-2.

You can buy some tccd chips for around 130 on newegg and will do tight timings up to about 230 fsb but will also scale really high with loose timings.
 
skratch said:
the most important numbers are the first 3 and for best results you need 2-2-2.

You can buy some tccd chips for around 130 on newegg and will do tight timings up to about 230 fsb but will also scale really high with loose timings.
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Thanks for the input with the timings, but i will have 4x512 mb sticks that cant run 2-2-2 so its not a realistic option to upgrade it all.

also, in regards to overclocking, i get system instability when i set my ram divider at 3:2 instead of 5:4 like it is now. Why would my computer become unstable when i underclock the ram? I've had the cpu at 3.4 ghz before with not too much trouble, but now its only stable at 3 ghz. i have the vcore set to 1.65 V, its a 2.4C @3.0 with 250:200 fsb. system temps range from mid 30s to mid 50s depending on the load.
 
Hmm, what should I get with my setup in 3dmark01. It is:

Athlon Mobile 2500 @ 200X12
Abit NF7-S2
2x256 2.5X3X3X6 pc3200
BBA 9700 pro @ 330/330
Fresh install of Windows 2000
Relatively optimized with almosty no background apps
Catalyst 4.12 and ATI tray tool optimizations
Onboard sound (have an old but decent turtlebay card I could throw in)
400 watt Antec Power supply
10gb 7200 4mb primary, 20gb 7200 4mb seconday hd
 
Blinkme323 said:
Hmm, what should I get with my setup in 3dmark01. It is:

Athlon Mobile 2500 @ 200X12
Abit NF7-S2
2x256 2.5X3X3X6 pc3200
BBA 9700 pro @ 330/330
Fresh install of Windows 2000
Relatively optimized with almosty no background apps
Catalyst 4.12 and ATI tray tool optimizations
Onboard sound (have an old but decent turtlebay card I could throw in)
400 watt Antec Power supply
10gb 7200 4mb primary, 20gb 7200 4mb seconday hd
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download it and see :) i think the website is www.futuremark.com
 
Can't right now, won't have the memory until next week. I am on a Athlon 1800 with a radeon 9100 right now that does 8500. I am just curious if I will be able to hit 20,000.
 
imo, i think you need to squeeze more speed out of your 2.4c. my system broke the 20k mark when i got it to run at 3.4ghz. i bet if you could get it running at 3.2-3.3 youd be there.

you could run at 267fsb with the 2/3 memory divider.
 
what exactly does tight timing mean?

i know how to overclock but have never really messed with ram timings.

for instanec, i have 2x512 3200 corsair value, what would tight timings for that?
 
Yawn, 20k in 3dMark 2001 is so 2 years ago!! :)

Nov. 2003 = 20.1k

OK so it was only a year & half ago, but that wasn't the 1st time I hit it... but its the oldest one left in my ORB manager.

I know I hit it 19.8, 19.9, 20.0 a few times before then, as I tweaked it up.

Anyway, set your goals higher... like 13-14+k in 2003!!!

I'm currently pulling about 22k, 12.7k, and 5.6k in 01, 03, 05 respectively.

P.S. try using 3:2 ram ratio, and hitting 3.2-3.4+Ghz. My 2.4C will run at 3.6Ghz!! :)
 
chrisf6969 said:
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I'm currently pulling about 22k, 12.7k, and 5.6k in 01, 03, 05 respectively.
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20k, 6.4k, 2.6k here...i bought my 9800pro 2 weeks before the 6800's and x800's came out. :(
 
acascianelli said:
20k, 6.4k, 2.6k here...i bought my 9800pro 2 weeks before the 6800's and x800's came out. :(
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That SUCKS!

At least its not as bad as someone who just bought a uber expensive 9800XT or 5950 Ultra, right before the x800 & 6800's came out.
 
Another thing that will aid you is taking the time to shut down background process that are mem intensive. hell, just shut down all apps/services/process you don't need to make the system run, then give the ol' benchies a run again.


Should gain points right there.
 
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