The Internet Is Coming to Cuba

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CommanderFrank

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The once isolated island of Cuba is to become the next country to log onto the Internet and from all information released so far, it will come in a big way. About one quarter of Cubans have access to a state run closed version of the Internet, but that looks to be ready to change since a shift in US policy toward Cuba took place this week.

Cuba’s Internet, Press says, is a “greenfield,” meaning whatever networks are built won’t be encumbered by pre-existing infrastructure, because so little of it exists. That means Cuba could bypass older, slower technologies and leapfrog right to ultra-fast fiber
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Does anyone actually believe the Communist Cuban government is going to allow it's people open access to the internet?

At the most it's going to be heavily filtered, with limited access to Pravda and the New York Times.
 
nutzo said:
Does anyone actually believe the Communist Cuban government is going to allow it's people open access to the internet?

At the most it's going to be heavily filtered, with limited access to Pravda and the New York Times.
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I'm sure the world's bastion of democracy -- the U.S. will be right there with a sniffer to scoop up all that Cuban data
 
gateh0use said:
I'm sure the world's bastion of democracy -- the U.S. will be right there with a sniffer to scoop up all that Cuban data
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Thank you for displaying your anti-American fueled ignorance in suggesting there's any comparison between the US, even with the NSA snooping, and Cuba, where you can be sentenced to life in prison for criticizing Raul Castro.
 
If anything, I think North Korea has shown us that bringing the Internet to rogue states controlled by oppressive dictatorships is perhaps not a great idea.
 
IMO if U.S. foreign policy was about democracy and liberating people, we would have liberated Cuba the day after the USSR fell. Anyone who's ever lived or been there understands why.
 
BDV said:
Out of curiosity, could you back that up with a reference from a reputable source?
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Of course he won't. He's talking out of his ass. Just like the people who decry anything that would be progress as anti-american and socialist.
 
Living on the other side of the planet , i consider the US continuation of the embargo on Cuba since the USSR fell to be nothing but a grudge held for the whole Cuban missile crisis and everything else from that Cold war period.

I cant see it serving any purpose, especially since the US is fine with dealing with every other former USSR country or modern day communist china and vietnam
 
T_A said:
I cant see it serving any purpose, especially since the US is fine with dealing with every other former USSR country or modern day communist china and vietnam
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There is no logical reason to oppose normalizing relations with Cuba. The only reason some hacks have a problem with it is because it was the Obama administration that made the move.
 
Thank you for displaying your anti-American fueled ignorance in suggesting there's any comparison between the US, even with the NSA snooping, and Cuba, where you can be sentenced to life in prison for criticizing Raul Castro.
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yeah instead your police force is having a manhunt against people who ted to be black
the "cradle of democracy" lost any credibility to judge others in the last years
 
Now they'll never go outside anymore!

Say bye-bye to all those Cuban baseball players the MLB gets.
 
techrat said:
Of course he won't. He's talking out of his ass. Just like the people who decry anything that would be progress as anti-american and socialist.
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If you really wanted to know here:
http://amnesty.org/en/library/asset...a0-47e8-92c2-77619be32df6/amr250022014en.html

But take a trip to Cuba under this new openness right away before they learn to paint a facade over it all for visitors and come back and say that with a straight face. Not like people weren't trying hard to get the fuck out by the 10's of thousands and they have a high opinion of the Castros.

I bet your communist friends know better how great the place is.
 
BDV said:
Out of curiosity, could you back that up with a reference from a reputable source?
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Most sources are dead to begin with.

I see latin americans being anti-USA and I can blame that on ignorance. But americans being anti-America? WTF is that shit? Maybe it's time for a third world tour to challenge the things you take for granted.

Yes, the USA is the bastion of democracy. If it falls we're doomed, indeed.

For the record, I'm a latin american.
 
T_A said:
Living on the other side of the planet , i consider the US continuation of the embargo on Cuba since the USSR fell to be nothing but a grudge held for the whole Cuban missile crisis and everything else from that Cold war period.

I cant see it serving any purpose, especially since the US is fine with dealing with every other former USSR country or modern day communist china and vietnam
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Yup it's a grudge over the past and it needs to go, but the US population has a lot of conflicting opinions about stuff which really slows down the process of putting stuff like that in the past where it belongs.
 
T_A said:
Living on the other side of the planet , i consider the US continuation of the embargo on Cuba since the USSR fell to be nothing but a grudge held for the whole Cuban missile crisis and everything else from that Cold war period.

I cant see it serving any purpose, especially since the US is fine with dealing with every other former USSR country or modern day communist china and vietnam
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Not a grudge at all. The double standard is because there is a large voting bloc in the US comprised of Cuban refugees and their families. No candidate could ever be elected president by appearing to be "soft" on the Cuban regime.

Obama may have wanted to do this from day one, but he did not dare to do so until after the mid-term election of his second administration.
 
PantherBlitz said:
Not a grudge at all. The double standard is because there is a large voting bloc in the US comprised of Cuban refugees and their families. No candidate could ever be elected president by appearing to be "soft" on the Cuban regime.

Obama may have wanted to do this from day one, but he did not dare to do so until after the mid-term election of his second administration.
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It's a single-issue bloc in Florida, a swing state. Pissed off old Cubans who got their land stolen by the Cubans still haven't figured out they're not getting it back, so they don't want any normalization of relations. It sucks, I get it, but shit happens and the rest of the country has to move on.
 
TwistedAegis said:
It's a single-issue bloc in Florida, a swing state. Pissed off old Cubans who got their land stolen by the Cubans still haven't figured out they're not getting it back, so they don't want any normalization of relations. It sucks, I get it, but shit happens and the rest of the country has to move on.
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Ack, stolen by the Castros.
 
TwistedAegis said:
It's a single-issue bloc in Florida, a swing state. Pissed off old Cubans who got their land stolen by the Cubans still haven't figured out they're not getting it back, so they don't want any normalization of relations. It sucks, I get it, but shit happens and the rest of the country has to move on.
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Unless you've heard otherwise, existing charges and lawsuits related to Castro's confiscation of private property in the 1950's are still active. So the jury is still out on whether people will get their land returned to them. Unlike the Castro family, these lawsuits will last forever or until they're settled, whichever occurs first.
 
As the actual natural persons who suffered lost are likely all dying off, while their children still have legal rights to those, I see that as a likely bargaining chip to be "settled" for either a nominal amount or dropped altogether at some point in the next 5-10 years, in return for market liberalization and other US wants.
 
Great; one more country with rich people attempting to send me money if I only provide my name, address, birthdate, and social security number. :p
 
Even 3rd world countries have internet. Glad for Cubans their government is opening up to the world.
 
How crazy would it be to be the guy that starts Cuba's first private or public owned/private run ISP?

Who wants to throw some money together?
 
PantherBlitz said:
Not a grudge at all. The double standard is because there is a large voting bloc in the US comprised of Cuban refugees and their families. No candidate could ever be elected president by appearing to be "soft" on the Cuban regime.

Obama may have wanted to do this from day one, but he did not dare to do so until after the mid-term election of his second administration.
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This^ A lot of people don't understand that many presidents have wanted to give up on the whole Cuba issue. However its hard to do that with 18 electorial votes on the line. Second it is in fact still a dictatorship something the USA is suppose to be against. Regardless of if our policy is 100% consistently applied.
 
cdr_74_premium said:
Most sources are dead to begin with.

I see latin americans being anti-USA and I can blame that on ignorance. But americans being anti-America? WTF is that shit? Maybe it's time for a third world tour to challenge the things you take for granted.

Yes, the USA is the bastion of democracy. If it falls we're doomed, indeed.

For the record, I'm a latin american.
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You really are hopeless.
 
GlowingGhoul said:
Thank you for displaying your anti-American fueled ignorance in suggesting there's any comparison between the US, even with the NSA snooping, and Cuba, where you can be sentenced to life in prison for criticizing Raul Castro.
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I also recall the Dictatorial regime in power before Castro ever came to power that was supported by the good ole' U.S.A. I suppose you were against that too?
 
I hope to visit Havana before the blight of US globalization takes root. Better hurry.
 
bucket said:
I hope to visit Havana before the blight of US globalization takes root. Better hurry.
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Do yourself a favor and watch the Cuba episode of Globetrekker. If you still wish to go, say hello to the ice cream police.
 
I come in here to find out opinions about Cuba and Internet and all I get is fucking US bashing. Way to thread crap. Anonymous tough guys.
 
rudy said:
This^ A lot of people don't understand that many presidents have wanted to give up on the whole Cuba issue. However its hard to do that with 18 electorial votes on the line. Second it is in fact still a dictatorship something the USA is suppose to be against. Regardless of if our policy is 100% consistently applied.
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Another reason why we should just throw out the electoral votes and just go with the popular vote for national elections.
 
T_A said:
Living on the other side of the planet , i consider the US continuation of the embargo on Cuba since the USSR fell to be nothing but a grudge held for the whole Cuban missile crisis and everything else from that Cold war period.

I cant see it serving any purpose, especially since the US is fine with dealing with every other former USSR country or modern day communist china and vietnam
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They pointed nukes at us as part of the former USSR's 'wipe you from the earth' arsenal. Wipe you from the earth is a hard thing to forget. The USSR ended and there is new leadership which supposedly we don't have that kind of negative relationship with. With respect to Cuba, the same people who wanted to be part of 'wipe you from the earth' arsenal are still in charge.

China supposedly didn't/doesn't wield that kind of arsenal and the number pointed definitively at the US has been considered pretty small. But, we shouldn't have the trade relationship we have with them either. .
 
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