The best CPU/GPU blocks

[RaphaelVinceti]

Ive been looking at the different blocks, and i was curious.. what are the best performing blocks out there? which CPU block is the best, which GPU block is the best. I would like to look at this purely from a performance basis, not a bore basis.

 

[DFI Daishi]

best of the best?

little river water blocks storm G5/G7 CPU block (the G7 is better, but i don't think it's in production yet)

GPU block? i don't see them tested as often. i'm thinking that the MCW55 might be it, with the silverprop cyclone fusion HL another likely candidate.

 

[CoW]8(0)]

White water blocks are still one of the best? They're prices are much cheaper than the Storm...

How about the AquaXtremes?

 

[DFI Daishi]

White water blocks are still one of the best? They're prices are much cheaper than the Storm...

How about the AquaXtremes?

http://www.procooling.com/html/pro_testing.php

tick of little river G4 for the storm, and both the D-tek whitewater and the little river white water to see the comparison that you are looking for.

click any old blocks you feel like seeing compared, though read the full reviews of any you are seriously looking at getting. the graph does not say everything that there is to know.

 

[Erasmus354]

Known Top Notch Water Blocks (In order starting with best) : Little River Storm G7/G5 , Swiftech Storm, AquaXtreme MP-05 SP/XP, NexXxos XP

I put the NexXxos XP last because it is restrictive as all hell.

Now for completeness sake...

HYPED Top Notch Water Blocks : AC Cuplex XT, Swiftech Apogee

These blocks are rumored (some by manufacturer, some by fanAtiCs) to be top notch performers, but there isn't adequate test data to back up said claims.


PS : It's late I might have missed one, but I dont think so.

 

[CoW]8(0)]

Where can I find the Little River G5/G7's anyway?

MP-05 XP? A sequel to the SP? Haven't heard any info about it....

 

[Erasmus354]

Where can I find the Little River G5/G7's anyway?

MP-05 XP? A sequel to the SP? Haven't heard any info about it....

Maybe I got the moniker wrong, all I know is they have the delrin, the brass and the nickle one. With the delrin being the pro and the worst of the three (270 pins), the brass being in the middle (300 pins, X accelerator nozzle), the nickle being the SP (300 pins, jet accelerator nozzle).


For the Little River blocks....the link is really weird : http://www.employees.org/~slf/lrwb/

Although Cathar does this a boutique thing and not as a business. There is always a long wait to get his blocks.


PS : Whenever I go to Little River's website I always have to look up the link from the ProCooling review of the Storm G5

 

[Top Nurse]

HYPED Top Notch Water Blocks : AC Cuplex XT, Swiftech Apogee

These blocks are rumored (some by manufacturer, some by fanAtiCs) to be top notch performers, but there isn't adequate test data to back up said claims.

These blocks are not GPU blocks. However, just because there isn't facts and figures doesn't mean they aren't excellent water blocks.

 

[Bio-Hazard]

These blocks are not GPU blocks. However, just because there isn't facts and figures doesn't mean they aren't excellent water blocks.

If I remember right, you're the one that always wants proof to back up a claim aren't you. Or are you just telling stories...................

 

[madmat]

If I remember right, you're the one that always wants proof to back up a claim aren't you. Or are you just telling stories...................

Not to mention the fact that the OP asked about CPU blocks as well as GPU blocks...

 

[Erasmus354]

These blocks are not GPU blocks. However, just because there isn't facts and figures doesn't mean they aren't excellent water blocks.

The OP asked for CPU and GPU waterblocks, seeing as there hasn't been much data to distinguish GPU blocks from one another I decided to avoid that all together.

And thank you for validating what I said, there are no facts and figures for them, thusly anyone saying they are a top notch block is HYPING them as such. I never said they were not top notch blocks, I am merely stating they are not proven as such, and as of now are just hype.

(The Apogee actually has test data associated with it, but there is a whole lotta stuff you dont want to get into with that test data)

 

[Top Nurse]

If I remember right, you're the one that always wants proof to back up a claim aren't you. Or are you just telling stories...................

You must have me confused with yourself. A common psychiatric problem is when you start seeing your own issues in other peoples lives.

 

[Top Nurse]

And thank you for validating what I said, there are no facts and figures for them, thusly anyone saying they are a top notch block is HYPING them as such. I never said they were not top notch blocks, I am merely stating they are not proven as such, and as of now are just hype.

(The Apogee actually has test data associated with it, but there is a whole lotta stuff you dont want to get into with that test data)

A hyped product is one in which there is neither test data or empirical data to justify a particular position. When AC and other users say that a product is good they are saying it based on their own empirical data.

As far as the Apogee goes it just points out to a central theme in my suggestions that "test data" done by the company who made it is always subject to credibility issues. It also is the same credibility issue when everyone in a select circle start using the same test method to get their results and outsiders who test differently are shunned as not knowing what they are doing.

 

[Erasmus354]

A hyped product is one in which there is neither test data or empirical data to justify a particular position. When AC and other users say that a product is good they are saying it based on their own empirical data.

As far as the Apogee goes it just points out to a central theme in my suggestions that "test data" done by the company who made it is always subject to credibility issues. It also is the same credibility issue when everyone in a select circle start using the same test method to get their results and outsiders who test differently are shunned as not knowing what they are doing.

If they are just going by their own experiences with OC, or internal temp probe then that hardly qualifies as empirical data. You dont know whether what they are observing is a result of the cooling or the hardware. The internal temp probe is about as accurate as your finger.

 

[Top Nurse]

If they are just going by their own experiences with OC, or internal temp probe then that hardly qualifies as empirical data. You dont know whether what they are observing is a result of the cooling or the hardware. The internal temp probe is about as accurate as your finger.

I think you need to get a lexicon out and look up the word "empirical."

 

[Erasmus354]

I think you need to get a lexicon out and look up the word "empirical."

I dont need to, empirical data is something that you have observed (hence my reference to what they have observed in my previous post) or data gathered through an experiment. What I am saying is that you cant be sure that what they are observing is either:

a) correct

b) a result of the cooling hardware or the computer hardware


Thus making the empirical data they have gathered unreliable. That is why data needs to be gathered in such a way to eliminate as many variables as possible.

 

[Happy Hopping]

HYPED Top Notch Water Blocks : AC Cuplex XT,

T.

Remember, with "HYPED" being the operative word. If their product is remotely as good as the forceful "smash competitors" sickening threads claim to be, they would have submit any of those CPU water block to Pro Cooling for testing. Talk about "Can't take the heat"

And supposedly inferring on the results of the CPU water block test, that their GPU water block should then be in par w/ the CPU water block test quality result.

 

[Top Nurse]

I dont need to, empirical data is something that you have observed (hence my reference to what they have observed in my previous post) or data gathered through an experiment. What I am saying is that you cant be sure that what they are observing is either:

a) correct

b) a result of the cooling hardware or the computer hardware


Thus making the empirical data they have gathered unreliable. That is why data needs to be gathered in such a way to eliminate as many variables as possible.

Again please read it because you don't seem to understand the meaning otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[Top Nurse]

Remember, with "HYPED" being the operative word. If their product is remotely as good as the forceful "smash competitors" sickening threads claim to be, they would have submit any of those CPU water block to Pro Cooling for testing. Talk about "Can't take the heat"

And supposedly inferring on the results of the CPU water block test, that their GPU water block should then be in par w/ the CPU water block test quality result.

Procooling hasn't done any reviews for over a year now.

 

[madmat]

Again please read it because you don't seem to understand the meaning otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.

After looking up the definition for emperical I was presented with this;

Relating to or based upon practical experience, trial and error, direct observation or observation alone, without benefit of scientific method, knowledge or theory.

Which shows that you're either using the term wrongly yourself or you're just too stuborn to admit defeat, if you reply to this in a denying way it would empircally prove the latter

 

[RaphaelVinceti]

Alright, this is getting pathetic. Here i was, thinking that the gods (and goddess) of the Watercooling forums would be adult enough to not fight about something in a simple thread asking pretty much "in your experience" which waterblocks are the best for cpu/gpu ect. Enough with the fighting, and get back to the topic i originally posted, please?

 

[DFI Daishi]

Alright, this is getting pathetic. Here i was, thinking that the gods (and goddess) of the Watercooling forums would be adult enough to not fight about something in a simple thread asking pretty much "in your experience" which waterblocks are the best for cpu/gpu ect. Enough with the fighting, and get back to the topic i originally posted, please?

i hate to break it to you, but this kind of IS on topic.

the sbject of what waterblock is best is CONSTANTLY being kicked around this forum and any number of others as well.

the testing methodology that different people are using to define what they consider to be "best" varies, and the numbers generated by those tests reflects it.

one of the key points that people such as myself are always contesting is that "aqua computers products cool just as well as domestic equipment does, and looks better" when all evidence is that it does not cool as well. it cools adquately, and the computers run and overclock just fine, beyond that, we want to see reputable testing and it's not out there.

if you didn't want to see people debate what constitutes "the best" it would have been a good idea to refine your original post a bit more.

what waterblock is "the best" can't be definately answered in a general sense, as i recently found out in a thread on procooling.......it seems to be a pretty sticky subject.

 

[madmat]

I found out about 9 months ago that you just can't ask this kind of question and not get uproar.

The "best" of anything is that which does the job you have in mind in a manner which is in line with your expectations. No more no less.

The best is purely subjective.

 

[Aronj66]

I think for GPU blocks the most widely used now are the swiftech mcw55, DangerDen maze4. If you can find one, the silverprop cyclone fusion HL is supposed to be very good as well.

I have no experience with a with the AC,AX style systems so I'll leave them for ppl like Top Nurse.

for CPU, I love my swiftech storm, DD RBX, and even my out dated Maze 4 for keeping my A64, and prescotts cool. I don't think you will go wrong with any top brand block.

 

[Dillusion]

Two segments:

Little tubing/Big tubing

Little tubing blocks:
Cuplex PRO
Cuplex XT
XX-FLow Rev.2
Aquagratix Series
Twinplex PRO Series

Big tubing blocks:
Storm
Apogee
TDX
Maze4
Whatever that really big DD GPU block is...

 

[Top Nurse]

After looking up the definition for emperical I was presented with this;


Which shows that you're either using the term wrongly yourself or you're just too stuborn to admit defeat, if you reply to this in a denying way it would empircally prove the latter

Not stubborn at all. Seems like you picked the definition that suited you. I choose this definition: "Someone who acquires knowledge or practices a science by methods of trial and error without constructing an ordered or scientific system." IOW it is based on what works and not by theory. This is the issue and the only issue. People point out the tests run by certain parties as being the "holy grail" of watercooling, but the rest of the world ain't buying.

 

[madmat]

Even your definition says "without a scientific system" so face it, you just can't admit defeat...

 

[nikhsub1]

There are 2 people currently who's testing methods and data should not be ignored, they are Lee Garbutt (robotech) http://www.systemcooling.com/cooltechnica_aquaxtreme-01.html his latest block to review, and pHaestus over at procooling. BillA is in there, but I think he is in the process of getting new equipment. Anyway, right now these are the 2 guys to look to for good data re performance.

 

[plywood99]

There are 2 people currently who's testing methods and data should not be ignored, they are Lee Garbutt (robotech) http://www.systemcooling.com/cooltechnica_aquaxtreme-01.html his latest block to review, and pHaestus over at procooling. BillA is in there, but I think he is in the process of getting new equipment. Anyway, right now these are the 2 guys to look to for good data re performance.

Totally agree. Hopefully we will add Jaydee to the list, and I here IceCzar is trying to get a nice setup going...

 

[Bio-Hazard]

TN needs to get a test setup going so she can test some of those AC blocks seeing as AC won't send them to any of the big boys.....................

 

[SpoogeMonkey]

TN needs to get a test setup going so she can test some of those AC blocks seeing as AC won't send them to any of the big boys.....................

"Now you will notice in the picture above that I placed my finger on the block. Yup, feels cool to me."
I also have highly calibrated fingers....I send them to p-mel every 30 days
The only 2 waterblocks I have any personal experience with are the Little River White Water, and the new Storm block. Both have performed quite well, and I'd recommend both of them.

 

[Top Nurse]

TN needs to get a test setup going so she can test some of those AC blocks seeing as AC won't send them to any of the big boys.

Maybe after I go back to work and make some more scoots. So what is the hot equipment list?

As far as the AC issue that is a really sore point by myself, IT-Trade, and Aqua Computer. A Cuplex XT was sent to Sharka several months ago for the specific purpose of getting it reviewed in the USA market at my request. To date that Cuplex XT has never been sent anywhere for review.

At one point, a few weeks ago, IT-Trade asked me to intercede and get it setup to be reviewed. I had several e-mails with SystemCooling to try and get it reviewed. Everything was setup to get them the Cuplex XT and IT-Trade sent a message to Sharka instructing them to give me the block so I could send it to SystemCooling. I was even going to toss in an Evo 240, a Evo 240 grill, and tubing, as well as 6mm, 8mm, and 10mm fittings out of my personal warehouse. When I went to Sharka to get it I was told that I couldn't have it and it was none of my business.

 

[Erasmus354]

Maybe after I go back to work and make some more scoots. So what is the hot equipment list?

As far as the AC issue that is a really sore point by myself, IT-Trade, and Aqua Computer. A Cuplex XT was sent to Sharka several months ago for the specific purpose of getting it reviewed in the USA market at my request. To date that Cuplex XT has never been sent anywhere for review.

At one point, a few weeks ago, IT-Trade asked me to intercede and get it setup to be reviewed. I had several e-mails with SystemCooling to try and get it reviewed. Everything was setup to get them the Cuplex XT and IT-Trade sent a message to Sharka instructing them to give me the block so I could send it to SystemCooling. I was even going to toss in an Evo 240, a Evo 240 grill, and tubing, as well as 6mm, 8mm, and 10mm fittings out of my personal warehouse. When I went to Sharka to get it I was told that I couldn't have it and it was none of my business.

Sounds like one of two things happened. Sharka decided to sell the XT to a customer and make money off of it.

OR

AC got wind of what was going on and did not want their block reviewed, and told/threatened Sharka not to allow the block to be reviewed.

 

[DFI Daishi]

At one point, a few weeks ago, IT-Trade asked me to intercede and get it setup to be reviewed. I had several e-mails with SystemCooling to try and get it reviewed. Everything was setup to get them the Cuplex XT and IT-Trade sent a message to Sharka instructing them to give me the block so I could send it to SystemCooling. I was even going to toss in an Evo 240, a Evo 240 grill, and tubing, as well as 6mm, 8mm, and 10mm fittings out of my personal warehouse. When I went to Sharka to get it I was told that I couldn't have it and it was none of my business.

ouch.....and after doing a fair bit of leg work as well.......

i'd be interested in hearing the continuation of this little saga, perhaps in another thread.

if the block really does make it to the reviewer, and does decently, some of us might actually have to tone our razzing a bit.

 

[Top Nurse]

Sounds like one of two things happened. Sharka decided to sell the XT to a customer and make money off of it.

OR

AC got wind of what was going on and did not want their block reviewed, and told/threatened Sharka not to allow the block to be reviewed.

Definitely not the latter as Aqua Computer gave it to IT-Trade specifically for Franz to send to Sharka for that sole purpose. It was originally slated for the Pro Cooling folks, but since they weren't doing reviews of late it was decided to send it to System Cooling.

 

[plywood99]

Definitely not the latter as Aqua Computer gave it to IT-Trade specifically for Franz to send to Sharka for that sole purpose. It was originally slated for the Pro Cooling folks, but since they weren't doing reviews of late it was decided to send it to System Cooling.

TN, I live 20 minutes from Robotech. Already had him test a block I built. If you need to get a block tested let me know. I can drop it off to him personally.

 

[CoW]8(0)]

There are 2 people currently who's testing methods and data should not be ignored, they are Lee Garbutt (robotech) http://www.systemcooling.com/cooltechnica_aquaxtreme-01.html his latest block to review, and pHaestus over at procooling. BillA is in there, but I think he is in the process of getting new equipment. Anyway, right now these are the 2 guys to look to for good data re performance.

I'm currently making a setup with the MP-05 SP. It might actually outperform the Swiftech Storm. The handlapped one tested in that review has already come so close, the machine lapping they do now might push it over....

 

[nikhsub1]

I'm currently making a setup with the MP-05 SP. It might actually outperform the Swiftech Storm. The handlapped one tested in that review has already come so close, the machine lapping they do now might push it over....

Doubt it.

 

[Happy Hopping]

Alright, this is getting pathetic. Here i was, thinking that the gods (and goddess) ?

There are women in hard forum? You are kidding. And they know what water cooling is?

 

[RaphaelVinceti]

TopNurse is :-P