Oh, the heady days when I got the new Diamond Monster 3D to run Quake II at 40 fps at 640x480. Just for grins I re-ran that Quake II benchmark test last night with my new 6800GT and got 1,333 fps at 800x600. I guess today's debate regarding the merits of a 20fps difference between and ATI card and NVidia card in Doom 3 will be less important in 6 years when cards will be available that will run Doom 3 at over 1,000 fps with 16xAA and 16xAF. Just my wierd thought for the day.