Tesla Owner Sues Over Sudden Acceleration

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  1. HardOCP News

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    A lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in the Central District of California seeks unspecified damages from Tesla for product liability, negligence and breaches of warranty after a customer's car crashed through his house after what he claims was "sudden acceleration."

    "The vehicle spontaneously began to accelerate at full power, jerking forward and crashing through the interior wall of the garage, destroying several wooden support beams in the wall and a steel sewer pipe, among other things, and coming to rest in Plaintiffs' living room," the lawsuit said.
     
  2. mnewxcv

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    bad link steve
     
  3. scojer

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    So it's their evidence vs his word.
     
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    Seems every time there's an accident like this tesla says that the pedal was pressed 100 percent. Does anyone in a low speed scenario press any pedal to 100 percent, even if its the brake?
     
  6. MV75

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    As soon as you see the name you know they smashed the go pedal.

    "Ah, I so confuuuussssed"

    But really, it was probably done because of the limiting of the pedal through the safety lock outs. The car may have not been responding so he kept applying pressure until it goes "Ok I go now", then bam!

    I've had that happen with mazdas electronic throttles, it's like hurry up and just fucking go, wait wait wait, ok you're moving now.
     
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    People don't understand how "One Pedal Driving" feature works
     
  8. Axehandler

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    In a panic situation... I could see a person doing this...

    My wife did it...

    She pulled into a parking spot
    instead of hitting the break, she hit the accelerator.
    Proceeded to drive up the grass over the Parking sign..
    STILL thinking she was hitting the break. and pushing harder due to Panic.

    Not alot of damage to the car thankfully...
     
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    that isn't that uncommon of an event. I wouldn't be surprised if a few people a month have an accident like that.

    was that 2 years ago that a woman did that in Texas and drove through 2 apartment units finally hitting a guy playing video games at his desk.
     
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    If the logs show the pedal pressed to 100%, it means the computer was being fed a 100% throttle input (and reacted accordingly).
    However, it doesn't mean the pedal was actually pushed at all, it just means that the pedal sensor was sending a 100% signal to the computer.
    It could still be Tesla's fault, but only an analysis of the pedal sensor will answer that question for sure.

    User error is far more likely though, because people have been panic-stomping the gas pedal for as long as cars have had gas pedals (early cars had a hand-controlled throttle instead, like a old farm tractor or modern lawn tractor)
     
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    Yeah my Mazda 6 does this.
    *Lightly press throttle* Ok.. can I get a little pick up here? *Press slightly harder* *CAR JERKS TO 4KRPM*
    Doesn't always happen but I have gotten used to it, I do like the sudden pick up so I can merge easier into faster traffic.
     
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    I bet it was user error. Like :
     
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    "a customer's car crashed through his house after what he claims was "sudden acceleration." was that before or after his last martini or what ever Tesla owners drink. :)
     
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    I thought the Tesla would have applied the brakes and ignored the throttle input especially after it sensed an obstacle.
     
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    there is a gear between drive and reverse called neutral.
     
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    remember, accel peddle is ASIL D, means it need multiple points of failure to becomes false and send wrong data to drive by wire vehicle, so single point failure does not produce a fault
     
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  17. NickJames

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    Nah you're thinking about P for PANIC!
     
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    R for RACE!
     
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    This.. I like Tesla and all, but this is the same shit the pricks at Toyota kept saying while sending a man to jail, ruining his life on top of the fact that he had to live with killing others in an accident.
     
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    Divorce settlement will do this. She got the house he got the Suv.
     
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    I know it's not entirely relevant, but this is a reason I like my manual. I have to pay attention, but when I'm in a situation where I feel like I could get rear ended, or even accidentally accelerate, I'll stick it in neutral. That way even if I inadvertently hit the gas, I'm not going to make a bad situation worse.
     
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    It was unintended guys.....I'm really putting my foot down on this one!

     
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    i mean if you can force your car into p you'll stop, i mean the transmission will be trashed but you'll stop probably.
     
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    Yea, when you know it does it, you get used to it, but it is annoying like that when the delay is there, but on the flip side it does prevent the panic stomp as if you are going slow or stopped and slam the go pedal nothing happens. I've tested it out, it does work. I suggest a wide open space if you want to test it yourself. It's set up that you have to do smooth operation of the pedal, sudden changes the pedal will just do nothing. I reckon all old farts should be car limited to vehicles that do this. I still prefer my throttle cable system.
     
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    It's the same answer every car manufacturer gives every time this happens. And they're usually right. There are 250 million cars on the road -- multiple people do this every day.

    They lightly push the gas, thinking it's the brake. They feel unexpected acceleration, reflexively push harder to brake harder, and the gas pedal goes to the floor. I've damned-near wrapped my car around a post doing the same thing, once. You have to realize you that you're the problem, and lift off the pedals entirely, otherwise you just keep trying to push the wrong thing harder.

    Had a Honda Civic that was like that. Combination of a lot of play in the throttle cable and a rather spongy automatic tranny. *Nothing....nothing...nothing...suuURGE.*
     
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    I never understood how people mess this up. The brake pedal feels entirely different than the gas, how do you fail to notice the complete lack of resistance that should be there but isn't?

    Even if you are pressing the brake pedal correctly, if it just sinks to the floor, pressing it harder isn't likely to help.

    I think it comes down to people using complicated machines every day without ever really understanding how they work, or how to know when they aren't working right.
     
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    This case is self explanatory look at the driver's name. It was obviously operator error. LOL... Seriously though people make mistakes. Most likely hit the accelerator instead of the brake.
     
  28. sfsuphysics

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    Wasn't this the issue with Toyota a few years back? They found out that it was user error in most all cases? Like the guy who decided he changed his mind about his truck purchase and they wouldn't give him a refund so it "Mysteriously accelerated" right through the Toyota showroom where he bought it.
     
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    never heard of pumping brakes?
     
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    Don't engage LUDICROUS mode in the garage. LOL.
     
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    Anyone who has ever hit the gas thinking it was the brake, even momentarily, needs to have their license revoked for life. Seriously, there's no excuse for that. You're just fucking inept, and a complete liability to the rest of us.
     
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    Hm, had to wade through way too many replies to get to an Asian driver joke.
     
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    Turns out this isn't just "some guy"
    https://gizmodo.com/tesla-famous-korean-actor-who-is-suing-us-threatened-t-1790677044
     
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    Most drivers are HIGHLY ignorant of even the most basic functions of a car or what should "feel" right.

    Back when I worked doing paint and body, we fixed some scratches on a ladies Mercedes, she came back a week later with some more scratches for us to fix (that is the ONLY reason she came in), she dropped it off and I didn't even look at it, I go to get it to move it in one of the bays and notice the car is visibly sitting lower on the driver side, get in to move it into the bay and can feel in the car and steering something is seriously wrong. I bring it to the lift and bring it up....Broken lower control arm.

    That was the worst case I have ever seen myself first hand, but I have seen all sorts of problems on cars that people don't even know exist, but I can tell just from looking at the car 50ft away. To many drivers, one is a go button and one is a stop button, and yes, you would think people would know more about something they use just about every day, but they don't, just look at how little people know about computers that they use every day all day long.
     
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    People buy these cars for show but they are pretty powerful and have next to no idea how to drive a car like that. When that happens you get things like this happening
     
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    A person at work had a similar story. This person was in a car wash when the car in front suddenly reversed and backed into my co-workers car. The lady who put the car in reverse had no idea what she had done and thought the car was at fault. They had to show her it was still in Reverse and that she must have done it herself.
     
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    I'm going to file this under YAFL (yet another frivolous lawsuit) unless I see some substance behind this claim.

    LOL at the "damn, son" memes.
     
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    "pedal was pressed 100% as shown by the two redundant sensors located on the accelerator pedal that monitor the pedal’s physical position."
    https://electrek.co/2017/01/02/tesla-model-x-sudden-acceleration-smear-campaign/