Tesla Full Self-Driving Hardware Demonstration

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  1. Megalith

    Megalith 24-bit/48kHz Staff Member

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    Here’s a gander at what a Tesla “sees” as it drives itself around. I’m still not sure how I should feel about surrendering control to software.
     
  2. MooCow

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    I'd love to take a nap in a traffic jam and wake up right at the front entrance of the building, then send the Tesla to go find a parking spot so I can fetch it later.
     
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  3. cageymaru

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    It stopped in the middle of the road for joggers and seemingly after making a right after a stop sign. I'll wait for many more iterations of the software to come out before I trust it.
     
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    Agreed, I'm not beta testing anything that could get me killed.
     
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    You're far safer in a tesla than a regular ice car, accidents included
     
  6. cageymaru

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    From watching the video, I'd say only if I forgot how to drive. :) I wasn't impressed.
     
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  7. SLee

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    But based on fatality rates, you're probably just as safe if not safer in a new luxury vehicle.
     
  8. SLee

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    Yeah, especially if you watch a version that slows it down to try to match real-time, it makes many, many driving errors. Even the first left turn was done badly.
     
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    I realize they probably thought speeding it up saved time to make a long journey short and try to hide some of the driving imperfections, but they only made it look more dangerous when the car is going fast and there are noticeable issues with the driving.
     
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    I whole heartedly agree with this. I was somewhat ok with the joggers, but the stop that was experienced after that stop sign made it an "Oh No, not for me" type of thing.
     
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    I have to say I disagree. This was unbelievable! I can't believe how far computer driving has came. Heck, just the road lines missing was a big one. I'm simply amazed, but Maybe graduating High School in 1983 has something to do with it,
     
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    I have always wanted a Tesla and this just just helps that. I will beta test it. My next car will be a Model 3 maybe even a Model S.
     
  13. nilepez

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    No doubt there are bugs in the system (those stops were a bit weird), but this is in Alpha, not beta and over all, it's pretty impressive. I wouldn't turn my life over to it yet, but this is coming in the next few years and I'm pretty excited. As someone with relatives who are starting to have vision problems, this type of tech would make it possible for them to get around (especially at night) much more safely.
     
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    Like to see how well one would work in snow storm conditions. I have yet to see one video showing self driving in the snow. That's the real challenge.
     
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    That creepy song is not helping either.
     
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    It's definitely not perfect yet, but it's still quite impressive. I don't think I would be 100% willing to hand over control quite yet, 60% or so. But honestly, with the progress that has been made in such a short amount of time.. 2-3 years? probably so. I hope that in 15-16 years when my kid is ready to drive that they don't actually ever have the chance to drive and it's all automated, 5-8ish years.. I think without a doubt it'll be no problem and hopefully no one will be driving. (well, everyone can't afford fancy new automated cars, but hopefully all new cars in that timeframe will be automated)
     
  17. nilepez

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    I suspect it won't work on snow at this point. Baby steps. First let's get it to work on dry roads. Then wet roads...and maybe then we move to snowy roads.
    15 years? I can imagine the tech being in most (all?) cars by then, but for the first several years, it'll just be in high end luxury cars...but that's where most new tech starts.
     
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    There would be nothing better then after a hard day working night shift you can just slip in the car and it drives back home itself

    There were some kinks in there

    Also have people not following Googles attempts at self driving?

    Most accidents involving self driving cars come from people expecting the car not to stop at stop signs, run yellow lights and so on
    People expect the car to not drive perfect according to traffic laws

    That will be the biggest challenge I think
    People expecting bad habits
     
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    I read the title as: "Tesla Full Self-Driving Hardware Demolition" I assumed that Tesla gave up on breaking into the car market for a second.

    It's awesome that this tech is emerging. Though it isn't where I want it to be to trust it 100% yet. This video proves it's moving in the right direction though!


     
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    Great song, but I agree that it was a weird choice.
    "Paint It, Black" makes me think helicopters, palm trees, napalm & automatic weapons, not daily commute to the office.
     
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    The tech will get much better very fast. The R&D money pouring in is starting to make a big difference. The processors are getting better... custom DSP to handle input (very much like the MS holo lens stuff). Better radar systems. The only real complaints will be from people that can't stand following all the rules of the road. I noticed the Tesla always obeyed the speed limit, and the rules at intersections. It may have been over cautious a few times... but isn't that what we say we want at least. :)

    Without a doubt in the next 4-5 years this tech is going to be far safer then any shoddy human driver regardless of weather. As has been pointed out these aren't being tested in snow conditions and the like a ton at this point. They are focusing on the basics for now, over the next couple years that will all progress. As someone from a winter city I can say the computer would have to be darn bad to be worse then the average winter driver, at least for the first few weeks when the seasons change. I would wager a fast AI with a combo of DSP connected Radar and Night Vision will do far better then any humans eyeballs in a snow storm.
     
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    It has to be able to see the lines in the road, or at least where the edge of the road is. Driving in snow is hard enough for a human, I don't think a computer could ever manage it (vision is obscured, and radar won't won't in falling snow)
     
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    You can tell the autopilot to go a specific amount over the speed limit (up to 20mph over I think)
     
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    By the time they nail automated driving, I suspect there will be standards in place for inclement weather assistance. Magnetic or radar reflective road lines?
     
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    Well hopefully they change that then. The biggest advantage I see is these things driving safer then humans. I mean when these get in accidents people will blame the ai rather then the moron behind the controls that tells it to break the speed limit. :)

    Having said that I could see a time 10-20 years out when it may be possible to take a look at speed limits and change them for some stretches of road. When and if the time comes when the majority of cars on the road are self driving and they are all taking to each other our current limits on some well maintained roadways may be easy to raise safely. For that matter the state/province or which ever agency controls the roadways could even have dynamic speed limits where limits are pushed up or down depending on conditions at that exact moment on specific roadways.
     
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    Yeah, this video did not inspire confidence in me at all. It also failed to detect cones in the middle of the road. Impressive as it is, I still dont quite know what it is using to determine road structure. Where I live there is LOTS of highway maintenance, old striped lanes overlapping one another. Hell at times I get confused as to the dimensions of my lane and want to veer off into the next lane before I realized the faded markers are the old one's and to focus on the brightly painted ones. I just cant imagine an autopilot being able to differentiate between all of this.
     
  27. collegeboy69us

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    Most people get up in arms about auto pilot, and quite defensive with the mindset of "I'd never want a damn computer driving me around". What most people don't realize (or refuse to accept) is the average driver is terrible. Mostly due to a combination of distraction, greed, and overall disregard for the rules of the road.

    The accidents you see occuring with Tesla are from people that think they can put autopilot on and go watch a movie or go to sleep. Nope, we aren't there yet.

    I'd trust a Tesla far more than I would most people on the road.
     
  28. SLee

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    And even so, the average driver is far better than the best self-driving car.
     
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    agree. while yeah there were a few glaring mistakes in there with random stopping because it detected a car or person it thought was in front of them but was actually in a different lane i'd still take that car being on the road then 99.99999% of the other retarded people that some how have a license and vehicle. for me personally i don't think i could ever give up full control except maybe if i was in a big city or heavy traffic in the bay area. but if i had the money i'd buy one of these cars for my grandparents who are in the 80's but still love to travel but really shouldn't be allowed to drive anymore.
     
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  30. ChadD

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    I'm not so sure about that. Even if we accept that as truth right now, it won't be forever. The only real question is when does the AI become better at driving then we do. I would argue its not far off... it comes down to better input imo. All that video is showing us is how it sees the road from its cameras. It also has a bunch of radar sensors... and in the future they will be adding far more. The answer to how long before the AI =s and surpasses human drivers comes down to how much money they spend. The work right now is designing faster links and hardware to talk to sensors and faster processors. Companies like Nvidia are going to start baking very specfic instruction sets into their SOC chips which could remove a lot of the delay out of such systems making it possible to add more sensors and allow the software to make much better predictions.

    Its cool to see the convergence of the tech right now.... when I first read about the chip MS is calling a HPU, the first thing I thought was it sounds a lot like the DSP being talked about for use in auto radar systems. The Nvidia stuff is interesting... I'm looking forward to the future there. Nvidia adding signal processing on board their SOC could be a real game changer a few generations down the tegra line.
     
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    As a fellow nap aficionado, I second this!
     
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    As long as it's been tried and has been tested in many adverse conditions i wouldn't mind.
    It's all about a matter of giving up control. You do this everytime you get in a taxi or step on an airplane (assuming you're not the pilot).
     
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    Around here, that thing would have been rear-ended about 6 times.
     
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    If I had a Tesla, I would create a YouTube channel called, "Will It Stop?"
     
  36. thejokker

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    So... Under perfect conditions it is a sloppy driver. There is a tiny group of people who are selling the idea that this is possible with enough money and research. Those people stand to make a "lot" of money if they can convince enough people that this is possible. Those people will get very, very rich if enough people buy into the idea that this will save lives and reduce traffic congestion. The reality is that self-driving cars are decades away from being feasible. As noted by others snow, rain, poor lighting conditions etc. can massively impact the cars ability to function. I suspect the sensors will need to be scrupulously maintained. The hardware and software will need to be as robust as a NASA mission to Mars or people are going to die. This stinks as bad as the Solyndra scam...
     
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    Yep, a demo in dry conditions with well painted street markings is one thing, but put an inch or two of snow on the ground and salt spray kicking up and coating the cameras and get back to me.
     
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    The average driver is actually very good. It's the small % that suck. There are no exemptions, you too are just an average driver, we all are. Don't matter what you do drive, others drive the same thing too.

    Only if you're driving it, and there are all of the modern cars that adhere to the same standards for crash ratings. Engine power type means nothing.
     
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    Certain turns it stopped for a sec then moved almost caused an accident.
     
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    It also was driving slower than any regular car by a good margin... Obeying those pesky speed limits and all.