teh OLED =) almost here!

[Comixbooks]

http://www.oled-info.com/


Oleds are almost here =) I'm going to be tempted it buy that 20 inch one if they make
one with monitors ports.

 

[Nielo TM]

Commercially viable OLED are still years away and it's still in its early stages.


It'll be sometime before we see OLED panels that can compete directly with LCDs.



PS: . I am actually looking forward to the printing technology, which would reduce the cost and improve performance dramatically.

 

[Syntax Error]

In the meantime, wake me up when 20"-24" OLEDs are actually affordable to the layman.

 

[TechHead]

Commercially viable OLED are still years away and it's still in its early stages.


It'll be sometime before we see OLED panels that can compete directly with LCDs.



PS: . I am actually looking forward to the printing technology, which would reduce the cost and improve performance dramatically.

Hey.. OT, but what's up with hdtvtest? Any new reviews in the pipeline?

 

[tybert7]

In the meantime, wake me up when 20"-24" OLEDs are actually affordable to the layman.

I'd be happy when the 13" panels are affordable. I want one of those on a dm3 like notebook

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdoZy4pcn3Q


It would be the holy effing grail for laptop screens. Likely lower power usage due to no need for a backlight, much better contrast, baseline oled panels would likely be far superior to much higher end lcd panels used in notebooks today. I am SICK of seeing such terrible panels in notebooks, especially since I have to sell notebooks that have unsaturated/dull colors. It is time for the torment to end, for the baseline to reach the next level in quality. It will be like the time when mainframe like power was first seen in desktop systems within reach of common consumers.

Oled will be a the biggest baseline quality upgrade since crts. The sacrifices will soon be over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1m-dj9Ne_U

 

[Elledan]

Commercially viable OLED are still years away and it's still in its early stages.

OLED has been commercially viable for years now. In fact it's a booming market. OLED displays are everywhere, in phones and portable media players, even some netbooks.

LG will commercially release a 15" OLED TV this month in Korea, next year 20" and the year after that even larger. How is that not commercially viable? Yes, he admits that it'll be more expensive than a comparably sized LCD, but guess what? LCD image quality sucks! To get comparable image quality results one would have to look at Plasma and DLP screens, which, guess what, have always been more expensive than LCDs, yet seem to be doing just fine commercially.

I wish the OLED haters would go away...

 

[Shane_c82]

I wish the OLED haters would go away...

Haters? I don't think anyone is hating the technology behind OLED. Just the fact we want it now in 20" + sizes and comparable to current LCD prices. Obviously, that is going to take awhile.

 

[evilsofa]

http://www.dailytech.com/OLED+Prices+to+be+Lower+than+LCD+in+2016/article16680.htm

Quick and dirty summary: 15" 1366 x 768 OLED TV by the end of 2009, 20" and larger in 2010, 30" and larger in 2011, 40" and larger in 2012; switching from florescent materials to phosphorescent materials in 2012; OLEDs to be cheaper than LCDs in 2016.

 

[nomu]

LG will commercially release a 15" OLED TV this month in Korea, next year 20" and the year after that even larger. How is that not commercially viable? Yes, he admits that it'll be more expensive than a comparably sized LCD, but guess what? LCD image quality sucks! To get comparable image quality results one would have to look at Plasma and DLP screens, which, guess what, have always been more expensive than LCDs, yet seem to be doing just fine commercially.

DLPs are cheaper than LCDs. Plasmas are barely more expensive than LCDs, the premium for OLEDs isn't even in the same universe.

Nobody hates OLED, but nobody is interested if it costs as much as remodeling your house and installing a triple display front projection theater. And they have to prove they have solved the lifespan and color temperature issues. So really it looks like plasma ten years ago, and I definitely would not want to be the owner of a $20000 50" plasma from 1999.

 

[Sycraft]

I wish the OLED haters would go away...

I don't think anyone is hating on OLED. What people are is skeptical and/or disappointed. We have been hearing about how great these are and how they are going to kick LCD ass forEVER. However, they are still not here.

At this point, no matter how much money I am willing to spend, I can't get an OLED replacement for my computer screen. They just aren't on the market. You can find them in things like cell phones, and Sony has an amazingly expensive 11" non-HD TV, but that's it.

This, after having promises that "OLED computer displays will be out in 2006" and the like.

So some of us are a little tried of hearing about it. It is "put up or shut up" time. IF the technology really is so awesome, let's see it then. Let's see actually monitors and TV for sale in the same sizes as LCDs. If it's not ready, that's fine, but then let's stop with all the love-fest about it.

Near as I can tell OLEDs are NOT almost ready. We keep hearing the same chatter, but the same information on short blue lifetimes are around (including on the site linked in this thread) and we keep not seeing products.

Please remember that with any technology it is not mainstream consumer ready when it first launches. When OLEDs finally do have displays out in regular consumer sizes, they are going to be expensive as hell. They'll be pro displays, and toys for the rich. It'll take time for them to come down to the price consumers can jump on.

So OLEDs will "be here soon" when they start being sold. At that point we can say that in a couple years they'll be something we normal people can buy. At this point, they are still all talk.

I don't hate OLEDs, I'm just sick of hearing about them. When they are on the market, I'll be interested in evaluating the technology. Till then, well LCDs are the way to go because I can actually buy them.

 

[Nielo TM]

Hey.. OT, but what's up with hdtvtest? Any new reviews in the pipeline?

I'm currently reviewing the Sharp 46LE700, but it's a slow work.


I am only a voluntary reviewer and I have to prioritize my college work over reviews.

 

[Nielo TM]

OLED has been commercially viable for years now. In fact it's a booming market. OLED displays are everywhere, in phones and portable media players, even some netbooks.

You're comparing a portable displays to desktop displays?

LG will commercially release a 15" OLED TV this month in Korea, next year 20" and the year after that even larger. How is that not commercially viable? Yes, he admits that it'll be more expensive than a comparably sized LCD, but guess what? LCD image quality sucks!

How do you know such models will be any better? Can they display true 8bit color and can they remain uniformed for a few years?

Do you remember the early LCDs?

OLED is new and we should hold all judgment until we see them in person.

To get comparable image quality results one would have to look at Plasma and DLP screens, which, guess what, have always been more expensive than LCDs, yet seem to be doing just fine commercially.

Really? What do think happened to the Kuro? And how many have rushed to get the Sony 11" OLED?

The fat of the matter is, OLEDs will not be cheap (affordable) until the advent of printing process

 

[Elledan]

You're comparing a portable displays to desktop displays?

No, I was responding to a comment that OLED isn't commercially viable in general while this clearly isn't the case.

How do you know such models will be any better? Can they display true 8bit color and can they remain uniformed for a few years?

8-bit? Of course they will, OLEDs haven't been afflicted with the same 6-bit colour virus as LCD with TN panels. The uniform degradation issue has been largely addressed as well. These models will be better because they're 2 generations past Sony's 11" XEL-1, which in itself already didn't suck. Yes, it has a short useful life, but how long ago was its panel developed again?

Do you remember the early LCDs?

OLED is new and we should hold all judgment until we see them in person.

LCD has always been a limited technology due to its complex mechanical nature, the use of passive matrix technology didn't do it any service either. We have seen the early and later OLED displays all around us already, including now in high-profile gadgets like the new Sony Walkman series, the Zune HD and more phones than one could shake a stick at. The only things one hears about them is how awesome these displays look and very little about disadvantages.

Really? What do think happened to the Kuro? And how many have rushed to get the Sony 11" OLED?

People thought that LCD is 'good enough' and went with the cheap 60" LCD display instead of the awesome Kuro. Just look at how many people are watching TV on oversaturated, laggy and non-calibrated screens to get an idea how much the average person cares about image quality. What OLED does have going for it is that it can be made extremely thin, without bezel and thus can be used in a wide variety of new applications.

The fat of the matter is, OLEDs will not be cheap (affordable) until the advent of printing process

Mitsubishi already produces passive matrix OLED panels for use in billboards and such applications. While OLED HDTVs may be somewhat expensive, there just have to be enough people who don't mind the price and will go with OLED simply because it offers the best image quality. You still won't catch a true home theatre person with an LCD HDTV. OLED will fit right into that market.

 

[Nielo TM]

No, I was responding to a comment that OLED isn't commercially viable in general while this clearly isn't the case.

That's play on words

The topic in discussion is not portable displays. We are discussing desktop displays (big difference).

8-bit? Of course they will, OLEDs haven't been afflicted with the same 6-bit colour virus as LCD with TN panels.

Actually yes.

The Sony's 11" can only display 6bit per-channel.

We have no information regarding the LG's models.

The uniform degradation issue has been largely addressed as well.

Source?

There have been new inventions but we don't know if they actually in use.

These models will be better because they're 2 generations past Sony's 11" XEL-1, which in itself already didn't suck. Yes, it has a short useful life, but how long ago was its panel developed again?

Again, we have no fact to conclude that. And we have no information regarding LG's approach to OLED. BTW, Sony uses White OLEDs with RGB color filter.

As stated previously, we have been fooled too many times to fall for the old tricks.

LCD has always been a limited technology due to its complex mechanical nature, the use of passive matrix technology didn't do it any service either. We have seen the early and later OLED displays all around us already, including now in high-profile gadgets like the new Sony Walkman series, the Zune HD and more phones than one could shake a stick at. The only things one hears about them is how awesome these displays look and very little about disadvantages.

Again, your focus is on the portable field.

Would you compare the LCD used in such devices to a desktop version? No


In the portable arena where quality is vital, OLED is a better choice, but there are good LCD alternatives.

For an example, the LCD found in Panasonic LUMIX TZ7/LS3 has high-quality LCD display without the usual negative image problem.

People thought that LCD is 'good enough' and went with the cheap 60" LCD display instead of the awesome Kuro. Just look at how many people are watching TV on oversaturated, laggy and non-calibrated screens to get an idea how much the average person cares about image quality. What OLED does have going for it is that it can be made extremely thin, without bezel and thus can be used in a wide variety of new applications.

Yes, but you've missed the point.

The primary reason was cost.

Pioneer's prime concentration was in a filed where only few can reach. Obviously LG has panel for virtually everyone, but the OLEDs in question will be their first release. So don't be so naive to think they will be superior to LCDs and have comparable lifespan.

Mitsubishi already produces passive matrix OLED panels for use in billboards and such applications. While OLED HDTVs may be somewhat expensive, there just have to be enough people who don't mind the price and will go with OLED simply because it offers the best image quality. You still won't catch a true home theatre person with an LCD HDTV. OLED will fit right into that market.

Again you've missed the point and the definition of true is subjective. Also, why would they buy a 20" experiment when they can get the ones mentioned below? After all, according the OP's link, the 40" won't be released until 2016. By then, LCD and PDP tech may become comparable to OLEDs.


Panasonic will be releasing their second generation Neo-PDPs with ultra deep blacks next year and the cost should be similar to today's Neo-PDP models. Samsung will be also be shipping their second-gen edge-LED next year with ultra-deep-blacks. The point is, these displays are likely to be cheaper and affordable than LG's OLED and serious videophiles iare likely to get hold of the Panasonic's high-end; why? Because it's a proven technology and we've all seen the quality of the V series, which currently the best HDTV on the plant (next to Kuro).

 

[Elledan]

That's play on words

The topic in discussion is not portable displays. We are discussing desktop displays (big difference).

Not really. Only difference is a matter of scaling the displays to larger sizes. The underlying technologies aren't affected.

Actually yes.

The Sony's 11" can only display 6bit per-channel.

We have no information regarding the LG's models.

Really? That's the first time I have heard about this and a quick Google search reveals nothing on this either.

Source?

There have been new inventions but we don't know if they actually in use.

They are in use in the new panels in the Zune HD and Sony Walkman. Check the Wikipedia page on OLED for some recent developments.

BTW, Sony uses White OLEDs with RGB color filter.

WTF?

Again, your focus is on the portable field.

Would you compare the LCD used in such devices to a desktop version? No

Why not? As I said before, it is the same technologies. One could compare a desktop to a portable LCD as well without issues.

Pioneer's prime concentration was in a filed where only few can reach. Obviously LG has panel for virtually everyone, but the OLEDs in question will be their first release. So don't be so naive to think they will be superior to LCDs and have comparable lifespan.

The lifespan issue we'll find out about soon, but even the XEL-1 with old tech managed 17,000 hours to half-brightness. Four times that would bring it past the lifespan of an LCD (60k), which most definitely isn't impossible with better sealing methods, more stable organic materials and more translucent layers.

Again you've missed the point and the definition of true is subjective. Also, why would they buy a 20" experiment when they can get the ones mentioned below? After all, according the OP's link, the 40" won't be released until 2016. By then, LCD and PDP tech may become comparable to OLEDs.

Time will tell what market these first mass-market OLED TVs will find themselves popular in.

Panasonic will be releasing their second generation Neo-PDPs with ultra deep blacks next year and the cost should be similar to today's Neo-PDP models. Samsung will be also be shipping their second-gen edge-LED next year with ultra-deep-blacks. The point is, these displays are likely to be cheaper and affordable than LG's OLED and serious videophiles iare likely to get hold of the Panasonic's high-end; why? Because it's a proven technology and we've all seen the quality of the V series, which currently the best HDTV on the plant (next to Kuro).

There is a lot of competition yes, but LED LCD is hardly perfect, with uneven lighting and other reported issues. Being a mechanical technology (twisting crystals to block light) it will always have issues with blacks and viewing levels.

Plasma will indeed stay popular among those who appreciate a good image for quite a while longer. Issues like burn-in and such have been largely solved or dealt with sufficiently to make it a non-issue. The Panasonic Plasma HDTV downstairs has been an absolute dream so far aside from the ~500 Watt power usage

 

[l88bastard]

The exciting thing about OLED is the ability to bend screens. Imagine having a huge curved 60" eyefinity desktop monitor! Will be awesome!

 

[Nielo TM]

Actually, the best thing about OLED is that we can make flexible-transparent displays with stacked sub-pixels. Just imagine, a display that can simulate a window with exceptional accuracy.