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SystemCooling + AC

if your so wise...please enlighten us and show us who DangerDen ripped off on the RBX, TDX, Maze4 CPU/GPU/Chipset block, fullcover 6800/7800 block and Fillport/Fillport Res. thanks in advanced.
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
if your so wise...please enlighten us and show us who DangerDen ripped off on the RBX, TDX, Maze4 CPU/GPU/Chipset block, fullcover 6800/7800 block and Fillport/Fillport Res. thanks in advanced.
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I will give you a good direction to look, it all started with the Spri@l block. If you can't take it from there, I can't help you. Procooling and Overclockers.com have plenty of good reading concerning this.
 
R1ckCa1n said:
If you don't know how these blocks and such came to market, it isn't worth the time. Procooling and Overclockers.com have plenty of good reading concerning this.
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do you think i posted this question for my own knowledge? no. i just wanted to test yours.

too bad ive read every overclockers.com article on watercooling there is, from the pop-top can block to the watercooling niggles article posted on the 24th of march. now if you or theseeker could answer my question...it would be fantastic.
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
do you think i posted this question for my own knowledge? no. i just wanted to test yours.

too bad ive read every overclockers.com article on watercooling there is, from the pop-top can block to the watercooling niggles article posted on the 24th of march. now if you or theseeker could answer my question...it would be fantastic.
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It is useless arguing with R1ck on this issue, he has tried to claim in the past that because DD uses Acrylic topped copper blocks that they are copying AC (yet the Maze3 acrylic topped copper block came out before the AC evo, I can't find a predating AC block). He refuses to accept that there is a difference between ripping somebody off, and a limited number of ways to build a waterblock. If he could find someway to claim that DD's use of hoseclamps or tubing was ripping someone off he probably would.

Unfortunately this thread seems to have turned into a pissing match for people who want to flame one side or the other (There have been AquaTrolls and AquaTrollers). It is a shame...
 
theseeker said:
Oh, sorry, I forgot you dont speak Latin.
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I can't speak it and can't really read it worth a darn, but I took three semesters of it. What's your point? Got something to say about DangerDen that can only be accurately communicated in Latin?
 
Getting back on topic...

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So how about someone in the know contacting SC and finding out what the holdup is?

I can sprout some more religion to keep this thread going for another rousing round of watercooling, but I would rather be discussing the damn review.
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Erasmus354 said:
It is useless arguing with R1ck on this issue, he has tried to claim in the past that because DD uses Acrylic topped copper blocks that they are copying AC (yet the Maze3 acrylic topped copper block came out before the AC evo, I can't find a predating AC block). He refuses to accept that there is a difference between ripping somebody off, and a limited number of ways to build a waterblock. If he could find someway to claim that DD's use of hoseclamps or tubing was ripping someone off he probably would.

Unfortunately this thread seems to have turned into a pissing match for people who want to flame one side or the other (There have been AquaTrolls and AquaTrollers). It is a shame...
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Be nice.
 
thewhiteguy said:
I can't speak it and can't really read it worth a darn, but I took three semesters of it. What's your point? Got something to say about DangerDen that can only be accurately communicated in Latin?
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Nor can you spell, so who cares.
BTW, I really enjoy giving you S*&T! At least your good natured about it :D
 
Take a look at the RBX. Then take at a revolutionary block called the White Water. Buy each and take some measurements. You'll find that this will prove to be very interesting indeed.

The Fillport is really a one of a kind product, and we should really give DangerDen some credit for that. I have one, and it couldn't be any more useful.

Top Nurse said:
I can sprout some more religion to keep this thread going for another rousing round of watercooling, but I would rather be discussing the damn review.
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As would I.
 
Well this review isn't coming out anytime soon as I just checked the SystemCooling website and the review for the week is about a Gigabyte 7800 board. I guess Gigabyte has more loot than Sharka.
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We might not see this review for a long time.....
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phide said:
Take a look at the RBX. Then take at a revolutionary block called the White Water. Buy each and take some measurements. You'll find that this will prove to be very interesting indeed.
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i was pretty sure that the white water used straight channels as compared to the cupped channels in the DD blocks. do you have a review with pics of the white water's internals? other source of pics?

on the whole, i'm not a moderate: i find it difficult to take people dazzeled by looks seriously. notice the word COOLING in the forum title water cooling. i believe that how well a watercooling component cools is the measure of it's worth. this is my belief: function before form. other believe differently. see above comment on how i tend to regard others, though some have demonstrated mental compentancy. :|

yes, i AM a dick. i don't deny it.

call this daishi's pick: i expect the kit sent to systemcooling to perform slightly better than a thermaltake bigwater, by virture of the more advanced block design and slightly stronger pump. i expect the kit sent to systemcooling to perform worse than the swiftech H2O 120 premium kit, which costs much less, has a stronger pump, a questionable block, and a better rad.
 
We'll see, Mr. Daishi. We'll see.

I have my money on 'almost as good as, if not as good as the swifty'
 
Bbq said:
We'll see, Mr. Daishi. We'll see.

I have my money on 'almost as good as, if not as good as the swifty'
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indeed, we will see.

however i'll note that with a 6C spread between "really good" and "out of date," the spread relative to absolute temperature will be small, however where is sits in the pack might be less so. as we have both said, we will see.

incidently, i'm Mr. Richard, since daishi is just an informal screen name. :)
 
Hi Mr. Richard :)

I still doubt there's gonna be a truely MASSIVE temperature difference. Probubly 3-4 degrees, max.

And the name is Ryan. :)
 
Bbq said:
I still doubt there's gonna be a truely MASSIVE temperature difference. Probubly 3-4 degrees, max.
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well, Ryan, i fully agree with that statement. i have few illusions, at this point, as to just how few or many degrees celcius differing cooling methodologies make.

i think that the major point of contention is how that difference in cooling ability translates to overclocking ability. the addition point of contention is "how much are pretty looks worth?"

claims that A-C can cool equally as well as carefully planned high flow equipment, i disregard out of hand at this point. it's not going to cool as well: the real question is just how far it lags behind.

real research into how much of a difference added cooling makes would be nice, but until it's out there i'm just going to continue to cool to the best level that my budget and noise tollerance allows for and push everything as far as i can get stable.

with regard to coolant additives, in an amusing alalogy: A-C has a bowling ball suspended over their head by a fine string. A-C supporters say "that string is stout enough to suspend that bowling ball for long enough, and even if it falls it's unlikely to kill me." wheras, i would say "why on earth would you choose to stand with a bowling ball suspended over your head?" and that's about it. if you fully trust in A-C assurances about their anti-corrosive additive and anodization process, you can say that it's a non-issue. personally, i don't like to trust a manufacturer like that unless i REALLY have to, and do my best to avoid the issue entirely.

best regards

brad.
 
Non-issue for a system that is designed correctly. :p

BTW, is it Brad, Richard, or Bradley Richard Dashi? :D
 
Lee says that the review was done 2 weeks ago and SystemCooling will have it up sometime this week. So ready, set, go!

BTW, I think some around here are going to be eating a bit of crow. :p
 
Top Nurse said:
Lee says that the review was done 2 weeks ago and SystemCooling will have it up sometime this week. So ready, set, go!

BTW, I think some around here are going to be eating a bit of crow. :p
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Heh, I hope you've got your knife and fork ready TN (yes I'm kidding :p)
 
phide said:
Take a look at the RBX. Then take at a revolutionary block called the White Water. Buy each and take some measurements. You'll find that this will prove to be very interesting indeed.

The Fillport is really a one of a kind product, and we should really give DangerDen some credit for that. I have one, and it couldn't be any more useful.
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too bad ive had both blocks. they are different. alot different. one uses straight bars, the other uses wavy fins. the whitewater has 3 plates, the RBX has 2. the Whitewater has a standard non interchangable center plate, the RBX has interchangeable accelerator nozzels. i guess thats not different enough for you.

http://overclockers.com/articles1262/compare.jpg whitewater internals.

http://www.dangerden.com/images/rbx/cut_away-rbx.jpg RBX internals.

different enough now?
 
You know... I'm really glad the review is coming out.

Before it does... please sign below that whatever the review results are, we'll consider them binding and acceptable. The last friggin' thing I want to see is someone griping that:

"Well sure, if it's on an Opteron pulling that many watts it's not going to work but if it was more reasonable you'd see I'm right."
"He used a die simulator, that is completely innacurate anyway."
"Watercooling on a Lanparty board? Of course big bore is better."
"He should have used urine in the loop since it works so much better than ACs brand."
...etc.

Gladly, I'm not eating anything regardless of what comes out. I've used both approaches and have been very happy with the results both ways. What's the big deal? Why's this review so important? There's several members here who have gotten very good results using small bore set-ups. Unless you're saying what they claim they've been able to do is lies it seems that, despite opinions, small bore is capable of working, and (when built correctly) works well and delivers.

If you're looking to watercool as inexpensively as possible, I don't need a review to tell me that large bore tends to run considerably cheaper. If you're looking to build the first 12gig processor, well, you're not doing that with watercooling anyway.

What's the problem? I don't know how many times I've closed my browser rather than read the almost endless flames back and forth about 6 millimeters (6mm vs 12.7mm (1/2")).
 
So how would I got about water cooling my other hobby with AC gear? :eek: Obviously it would all have to be basic black. :p





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TN, i think you need to watercool it. A cuplex EVO, aquaero, aquastream, aquatube, twinplex pro... Might do the trick.
 
theseeker said:
Will this thread ever end?
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at the moment we're all just screwing around in here waiting for the review. there should be plenty to hash out after the review finally sees the light of day.
 
DFI Daishi said:
at the moment we're all just screwing around in here waiting for the review. there should be plenty to hash out after the review finally sees the light of day.
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That statement I truly believe.
BTW, the TEMPEST is coming!
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
do you think i posted this question for my own knowledge? no. i just wanted to test yours.

too bad ive read every overclockers.com article on watercooling there is, from the pop-top can block to the watercooling niggles article posted on the 24th of march. now if you or theseeker could answer my question...it would be fantastic.
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I'll give you more of a clue, this information is not in an article, it is on the forums. Best to start with Procooling and find the guy who made the RBX/TDX and see how he opens the thread. Maybe I surprised you that DangerDen appearantly bought the desing?

phide said:
Take a look at the RBX. Then take at a revolutionary block called the White Water. Buy each and take some measurements. You'll find that this will prove to be very interesting indeed.

The Fillport is really a one of a kind product, and we should really give DangerDen some credit for that. I have one, and it couldn't be any more useful.

As would I.
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yes, I will give them the fillport....... As for the MAZE, RBX, TDX, etc it is just a remake of something that came out prior to each of their blocks releasing. How about that hard drive cooler? LOL
 
Bbq said:
Hi Mr. Richard :)

I still doubt there's gonna be a truely MASSIVE temperature difference. Probubly 3-4 degrees, max.

And the name is Ryan. :)
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The better question is how does 3-4 C impact overclocking or allow for a lower overall sound level? Pretty much ZERO when we are talking well below a stock cooler, mainly under load.
 
R1ckCa1n said:
How about that hard drive cooler? LOL
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Yeah because there's even more ways to make a hard drive block than a CPU block. LOL

Every block is a ripoff of the first one every made. Get over it.
 
thewhiteguy said:
Yeah because there's even more ways to make a hard drive block than a CPU block. LOL

Every block is a ripoff of the first one every made. Get over it.
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Yes, but some companies make a living off of it and some don't.
 
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