I had restore turned off to save resources for gaming, but now I want to turn it back on as I'm now going to use the PC for work. I had optimized my services via the Blackviper method and I must have turned off a service required. Now if I try to turn System Restore back on I get an error, but it doesn't tell me what is wrong. Any ideas? Is there a list somewhere of required Services for restore?
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System Restore - What Services?
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I would un-do EVERYTIHING you did from that site.
It's highly likely you disabled a necessary service or dependant service for system restore and that's why your having the issue.
You will likely find LOTS of little stuff that no longer works because of the "tweaks" on that site. I consider that site utter junk due to posts like this. BV does not give you enough information to make educated decision, or know the consequences of those decisions. If it did, you wouldn't be asking this questions.
It's highly likely you disabled a necessary service or dependant service for system restore and that's why your having the issue.
You will likely find LOTS of little stuff that no longer works because of the "tweaks" on that site. I consider that site utter junk due to posts like this. BV does not give you enough information to make educated decision, or know the consequences of those decisions. If it did, you wouldn't be asking this questions.
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lomn75 said:
Agreed. Black Viper's "optimization" is really mostly BS. The only noticable effect is turning off the indexing service. The best recommendation is to turn back on ALL the services that you turned off in the first place.
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Phoenix86 said:At least we agree on somethings.
Quackviper strikes again!
We generally tend to agree
.I'll concur with this, too (it's my usual recommendation). Indexing service is the only non-essential service with a measurable overhead, and it's worthless to users who understand how to form a directory structure anyway. Junk it.Direwolf20 said:
Otherwise, neither security nor performance are measurably enhanced by disabling the default services.
Phoenix86 said:I have used it several times to recover from spyware or crashes, but it's gotta be on before hand to work. Can't use it if it's disabled and there are no restore points. Why not use it?
I personally don't use it because it takes up extra drive space and is another process to run in the background. The reason why its always disabled in an enterprise environment is the virus issues. Anytime we have had a major virus outbreak for HP, or any of the other companies we support, the first suggestions are to always disable System Restore. It finally led us to leave it disabled completely on all of our images we roll out.
Drive space hasn't been a serisous issue since 10GB HDDs were standard.djnes said:
Extra process, ok, but here we get into cost/benefit. The benefit is a single click solution to bring a worthless system back to life. The costs...
Virus outbreak? Don't get virii.
When you do, disable it.
edit: I'm actually curious about the cost side. I don't know when/how it creates the restore points, but I'm guessing it's on boot. I'd have to do some reading to see if it's worth it at home, but I can't see why it's NOT worth it for business.
I'm just saying what we were told by several AV companies during some major virus outbreaks. I leave it disabled because I don't need it. Any problems I may encounter, I can fix or repair, and my data is always backed up to my server, courtesy of some batch files and Norton Ghost.
I've always done computing under the, if I don't need it, disable it mindset. None of my PCs have the serial ports or parallel ports enabled, because I don' have any need for them. I always remove components, like Windows Messenger, etc that I know I do not use. The less I have, the less that can cause a problem, or need to be fixed later on.
I've always done computing under the, if I don't need it, disable it mindset. None of my PCs have the serial ports or parallel ports enabled, because I don' have any need for them. I always remove components, like Windows Messenger, etc that I know I do not use. The less I have, the less that can cause a problem, or need to be fixed later on.
Phoenix86 said:I understand why you need to disable it for virii, but an infected machine isn't the status quo, it's the exception. You didn't need it when you had a virus, but I'd argue you do need it otherwise.
It's like AV software...I don't need it because I'm so smart...S-M-R-T.
Phoenix86 said:
I believe creates a restore point every 24 hours from the point you enable it.
djnes' point is when a computer is infected with a virus, it is almost always in the system restore folder. You usually have problems with these files because you can't delete them if system restore is on. If you turn SR off you lose all your restore points and have to start from scratch anyway.
Anyway, I'm guessing his point is that it's easier to leave SR off, so the virus scanner can do it's job without the customers calling and whining to him.
I know that's why I send all our computers out without SR.
At home it's saved my ass a few times. Uninstalling programs when drunk/extremely tired is a bad idea. lol
this is a fallacy. index service is not started, nor has been configured by the system, or by the end user at install. having it disabled, was what it was all a long. note, in services, indexing will be set to manual. computer managment MMC, indexing, the service has not been started. even if it was, in the menu bar go to action, all tasks, tune performance, and adjust to preference. this, of course, is only if it was started in the first place.
only if people used knowledge base more often, rather than looking up black craps book of uselessness. system restore could have simply been disabled by using the system properties of my computer, system restore tab, toggle "turn off system restore on all drives."
btw - virii is not a word, and its not even plural meaning of a virus. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_of_virus
"Look darlin'! That's Latin. It appears Johnny Ringo is an educated man. Now I know I hate him!"shaihulud said:
Virus is Latin, the conjugation for it's plural sould be viri (however that is a different word), so it was not uncommon to add a double i, as in virii. However it looks like your right, and my Latin teacher was wrong...
Interesting reading for the linguists. And people think English has a lot of exception rules.
As many times as System restore could have solved someone's problem on this forum...
The reason is not that they're in use, but they are default acl'd system. (I have deleted restore points when launching cmd as system.) It is a stupid decision for the restore points to not be acl'd Admin, but hindsight is 20/20.
The reason is not that they're in use, but they are default acl'd system. (I have deleted restore points when launching cmd as system.) It is a stupid decision for the restore points to not be acl'd Admin, but hindsight is 20/20.
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Phoenix86 said:"Look darlin'! That's Latin. It appears Johnny Ringo is an educated man. Now I know I hate him!"
Virus is Latin, the conjugation for it's plural sould be viri (however that is a different word), so it was not uncommon to add a double i, as in virii. However it looks like your right, and my Latin teacher was wrong...
Interesting reading for the linguists. And people think English has a lot of exception rules.
My girlfriend took greek, its worse man
. You know how theres regular and irregular verbs in languares? Well in greek, theres only 1 regular verb. 1. All but that one verb are the exception to the rule. Crazy aint it?
Why bother making a "rule" about regular verbs when theres only 1 regular verb in the first place.OK, everyone anwered with the easy solution of "undoing" everything from BV's page. That still doesn't answer my question of exactly which services are required for System Restore!
Sure I could go back to the default install services, but I tend to think some of them should be disabled if I don't need them or are possible security risks? (things like remote desktop or remote registry, etc.). This is a home PC, so I don't need network admins snooping around like on a work PC!
Sure I could go back to the default install services, but I tend to think some of them should be disabled if I don't need them or are possible security risks? (things like remote desktop or remote registry, etc.). This is a home PC, so I don't need network admins snooping around like on a work PC!
Well, we're giving you the most trouble-free answer.
As for security -- All computer access is as strong or weak as your passwords. Besides, with a proper firewall, no one will see those services anyway. For home use, it really just doesn't apply.
Remote Access, for instance, is defaulted to Admin accounts only. If somebody has admin access to your machine, disabling the remote login service won't help you.
As for security -- All computer access is as strong or weak as your passwords. Besides, with a proper firewall, no one will see those services anyway. For home use, it really just doesn't apply.
Remote Access, for instance, is defaulted to Admin accounts only. If somebody has admin access to your machine, disabling the remote login service won't help you.
Use the default service config from microsoft, i think BV has it on his site.
Services are not entry points into your pc.
Memory load for services generally gets paged once the system requests memory for the user's tasks
Disabling services cripples your system in unknown ways to most of us.
So, why disable?
Services are not entry points into your pc.
Memory load for services generally gets paged once the system requests memory for the user's tasks
Disabling services cripples your system in unknown ways to most of us.
So, why disable?
First, I don't believe there is an exhaustive list of services and their dependencies. BV attempts it, but as we have seen fails miserably. So let me turn this around, you disabled the services, why don't *you* tell us which one did it.Rustynuts said:
Don't know how? Return the service states to normal. Does system restore work? If so, disable each of the services one-by-one and test. When you find the service you will know the dependencies.
BV indicates: System Restore Service and RPC are needed, however I'm betting you re-enabled System Restore Service, and I'm pretty sure you don't have RPC disabled. So what you likely looking at is *gasp* another unlisted dependant service.
Please read this post, then read my original post. See why the first post is correct? He doesn't give you enough information to make the changes you are.
Seriously, jacking with services are not tweaking or securing your system. They are removing functionality, as you noticed, since you posted this.
A choice quote from BVs sites comment about system restore service is " I feel it is faster and less hassle to just install clean."
Gotta love that "feeling" eh? How about you benchmark it...