Swatter Gets 20 Years

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Okay, how about they charge the actual SWAT team too?

also it wasn't the other player, it was some completely random person that got killed who happened to live at the address that the kid lied and said he lived at...
 

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Not long enough. If you read more about this guy and his demeanor you'll learn he is absolute scum.
Probably doesn't matter much. The way our prison system works he will be back in it shortly after release.
 

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It might just be because I've read up on how much of an asshat he is but that is one punchable looking face, hopefully the other inmates feel the same way and he can't help himself from running his mouth(seems like the type).

Probably doesn't matter much. The way our prison system works he will be back in it shortly after release.
It's federal charges, he's likely doing most if not all of that time.
 

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It's federal charges, he's likely doing most if not all of that time.
I didn't say he will be out soon. I said he will be back in prison shortly after release.

Our prison system doesn't rehab people. We create career criminals.
 

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I didn't say he will be out soon. I said he will be back in prison shortly after release.

Our prison system doesn't rehab people. We create career criminals.
You're right, my mistake. I doubt he's going to be making connections in there like most people would, of course as an ex-con he won't have many job opportunities.
 

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Let me add another one of these:


Good.


I didn't say he will be out soon. I said he will be back in prison shortly after release.

Our prison system doesn't rehab people. We create career criminals.
You're not wrong. It's a survival thing. Our prison system doesn't rehab people, our society doesn't reward criminals (whether or not they've "paid their debt to society"). Knowing that, I'm going to try my best to not land in prison. Prison is part of the punishment. It's not the only one. You'd most likely lose family, friends, career, etc.. High price to pay for federal crimes.
 

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Are there any actual prison systems that produce outstanding, upwardly-mobile citizens after a 20 year stretch.......
Not in the United States. The latest trend is going for-profit on institutions run by corporations, so it is in their financial interest to see you back in jail/prison.
 

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So this d-bag Barriss isn't even the player who had the bet/grudge... and the guy who got killed had absolutely nothing to do with any of it. This is a legal mess.

20 years in a fed prison (meaning a much less chance of parole) seems harsh. Barriss didn't kill anyone, he's just a douchbag who tricked the cops into swarming a random address. Why couldn't the cops tell where the 911 calls were coming from, Barriss lived in Cali while the target/victim was in Wichita. And then the random dude got shot by cops, probably mouthing off (the article says he was "reaching for something", probably to scratch his ass).

I'd say... give him 5 years for manslaughter, and then ban him from internet access. Breaking all his fingers might not be a terrible idea.

The punk who "hired" him should get the same charge. Conspiracy to commit a felony or some such. Break all the fingers so they can never play COD again. And ban from owning a game console, computer, or having internet access.

And the cop who killed Andrew Finch? Should be fired and charged with manslaughter unless there is evidence contrary (body cam etc). Also... the victim was obviously a random white dude otherwise there would have been race riots and this shit would have been on the nightly news a ton.

In the end, I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV. But I've watched enough Law and Order and the NBC nightly news to know this is all screwed up.

It's hard to feel bad for Barriss since he played a key role in all this, and apparently did it frequently enough to be known for it. So maybe 20 years isn't that far off if all the previous events are considered (and I do not see how they could be in a trial, but still). If I were that guy I would step in front of a bus instead of doing 20 hard years being passed around like a prison pinata sex toy.
 

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So this d-bag Barriss isn't even the player who had the bet/grudge... and the guy who got killed had absolutely nothing to do with any of it. This is a legal mess.

20 years in a fed prison (meaning a much less chance of parole) seems harsh. Barriss didn't kill anyone, he's just a douchbag who tricked the cops into swarming a random address. Why couldn't the cops tell where the 911 calls were coming from, Barriss lived in Cali while the target/victim was in Wichita. And then the random dude got shot by cops, probably mouthing off (the article says he was "reaching for something", probably to scratch his ass).

I'd say... give him 5 years for manslaughter, and then ban him from internet access. Breaking all his fingers might not be a terrible idea.

The punk who "hired" him should get the same charge. Conspiracy to commit a felony or some such. Break all the fingers so they can never play COD again. And ban from owning a game console, computer, or having internet access.

And the cop who killed Andrew Finch? Should be fired and charged with manslaughter unless there is evidence contrary (body cam etc). Also... the victim was obviously a random white dude otherwise there would have been race riots and this shit would have been on the nightly news a ton.

In the end, I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV. But I've watched enough Law and Order and the NBC nightly news to know this is all screwed up.

It's hard to feel bad for Barriss since he played a key role in all this, and apparently did it frequently enough to be known for it. So maybe 20 years isn't that far off if all the previous events are considered (and I do not see how they could be in a trial, but still). If I were that guy I would step in front of a bus instead of doing 20 hard years being passed around like a prison pinata sex toy.
there's more too it then just the swatting that determined his overall sentence he received, he had a long history of it before and after that happened. also using a web based voip keeps them from being able to GPS track your location when you call in. either way it was pre-meditated so fk the guy, i'll gladly pay my tax dollars to watch that pos rot in prison.

Not in the United States. The latest trend is going for-profit on institutions run by corporations, so it is in their financial interest to see you back in jail/prison.
the trend is actually going the other way now.. most states are realizing it doesn't work anymore and they're not actually saving money so they're starting to push them out, especially states that are starting to legalize weed.
 

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I didn't say he will be out soon. I said he will be back in prison shortly after release.

Our prison system doesn't rehab people. We create career criminals.
Very true, though I'm not sure it matters in this case. I'm not getting a "this guy is redeemable" vibe off him.
 
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Nice :)
But it do seem like SWAT teams are wound up really bad, and maybe you have to be that.
None of this would happen here for a few reasons.
1: A couple or regular cops would respond to such a call, would have to be a almighty klusterfrack for the anti terror unit which are our SWAT teams here to spring into action.
2: Not many guns in society here, and the clowns that use them for crime most often cant hit a barn door even with 2 clips of ammo.
3: We have a severe cop shortage turning my country into a cesspool, so i doubt a SWAT call would make it thru the filter.

So if #1 = hail of bullets, then you will probably see the SWAT unit in action.
 

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A internet connection is indeed a dual edged sword. :D
A few use it for good, well some times at least, other use it to destroy them self and others, the internet sure as hell are not making people smarter.
 

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they'll have to keep him in solitary confinement if they want to keep him alive.

"A California man was sentenced Friday to 20 years in prison for making bogus emergency calls to authorities across the U.S."

most outgrow that phase after hitting the age of 10 or so
 

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Are there any actual prison systems that produce outstanding, upwardly-mobile citizens after a 20 year stretch.......
I guess you could look at systems like the Norwegian model. Norway has a recidivism rate of about 20% compared to about 43% in the USA.
 

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Of Norway's recidivism rate, how many are "traditionally Norse", and how many are of the new "refugee" chic? In that vein, of the US rate, what is recidivist rate among males raised without any father? See where I'm going? It may not be the jail system, it may be the type of inmate.

In that vein, there is a debate about using prisons to punish versus using prisons to rehabilitate. And, we get a prison system that tries to do both, at the same time, in the same facility. As well, there are now some for-profit jails. That opens another dimension. I'm not even breaching the subject about the ability for prisoners to participate in gangs while in prison.

Imagine, instead, if there were separate facilities and separate sentences for each path? 5 years in punishment, followed by 5 years in rehab. The punishment prison would be...very restrictive. No free congregation, no open cells, no cable TV, no conjugal visits. Instead, you get one issue of a sleeping pad (burn it, etc., and you sleep on concrete for the rest of your term), etc. Then, upon successfully completing the punishment phase, you get moved to a rehab phase. Learn a skill, get a GED, see a counselor, etc. Successfully complete that, and you get released.

But, that's just a dream.

As for 20 years, I think that's far too short. If one of my family members were killed, I'd want this guy to be out of society for the rest of his life.
 

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Of Norway's recidivism rate, how many are "traditionally Norse", and how many are of the new "refugee" chic? In that vein, of the US rate, what is recidivist rate among males raised without any father? See where I'm going? It may not be the jail system, it may be the type of inmate.

In that vein, there is a debate about using prisons to punish versus using prisons to rehabilitate. And, we get a prison system that tries to do both, at the same time, in the same facility. As well, there are now some for-profit jails. That opens another dimension. I'm not even breaching the subject about the ability for prisoners to participate in gangs while in prison.

Imagine, instead, if there were separate facilities and separate sentences for each path? 5 years in punishment, followed by 5 years in rehab. The punishment prison would be...very restrictive. No free congregation, no open cells, no cable TV, no conjugal visits. Instead, you get one issue of a sleeping pad (burn it, etc., and you sleep on concrete for the rest of your term), etc. Then, upon successfully completing the punishment phase, you get moved to a rehab phase. Learn a skill, get a GED, see a counselor, etc. Successfully complete that, and you get released.

But, that's just a dream.

As for 20 years, I think that's far too short. If one of my family members were killed, I'd want this guy to be out of society for the rest of his life.
first thing that needs to be fixed is what happens after you get out of prison.. maybe you end up being that 1% that actually gets their shit together in prison and you get out only for there to be nothing available to you. you still get punished after the fact trying to get a job, renting an apartment, buying a house, etc, etc. thus the cycle begins again for them. that needs to be fixed first before you can even think about fixing the prison system.
 

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That's a tough trick. In a competitive market why would you as an employer hire someone with a felony record if you have other candidates just as qualified? Or rent a room to someone who is a convicted murderer?

Who can get behind the government forcing you to do this? That is going to be a real tough sell, and I can understand why.
 

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That's a tough trick. In a competitive market why would you as an employer hire someone with a felony record if you have other candidates just as qualified? Or rent a room to someone who is a convicted murderer?

Who can get behind the government forcing you to do this? That is going to be a real tough sell, and I can understand why.
the problem is it's not just convicted murders that are screwed by it, it's anyone with a felony, if you got arrested with a couple grams of weed that's a felony to distribute even if it was personal use in most states, good luck finding a job because no one will hire you, not even mcdonalds or walmart. which is why the prison system is just a revolving door for a lot of these people because they're forced to go back to what they know best instead of trying to become productive citizens.
 
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first thing that needs to be fixed is what happens after you get out of prison.. maybe you end up being that 1% that actually gets their shit together in prison and you get out only for there to be nothing available to you. you still get punished after the fact trying to get a job, renting an apartment, buying a house, etc, etc. thus the cycle begins again for them. that needs to be fixed first before you can even think about fixing the prison system.
i dont see that as the real issue.
the first thing that needs to be fixed is whats being referenced here:
Of Norway's recidivism rate, how many are "traditionally Norse", and how many are of the new "refugee" chic? In that vein, of the US rate, what is recidivist rate among males raised without any father? See where I'm going? It may not be the jail system, it may be the type of inmate.
im not meaning some unrealistic utopian never-gonna-happen vision... what i do mean is if people dont get INTO jail, no need to worry about when they get OUT of jail and i agree with c3k on what he's sayin here.
fixing what happens when you get out is simply a bandaid on an amputation.
 

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Ill admit the swatting was getting out of hand, but dang, they crucified him to set an example.
 

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He's responsible for the death of an innocent person, and responsible for the endangerment of the lives of dozens more. He then gloated about it. He's a true danger to society and 20 years is going easy on him.
Youre right, things definitely ended very badly. Too bad for everyone that this young kid with something to 'prove' did not have the mental capability to see how terribly it could end. Undoubtedly he just thought it would be a quick scare and everyone would go home like they always had after previous swatting incidents (to my knowledge this is the first death from swatting).
 

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Youre right, things definitely ended very badly. Too bad for everyone that this young kid with something to 'prove' did not have the mental capability to see how terribly it could end. Undoubtedly he just thought it would be a quick scare and everyone would go home like they always had after previous swatting incidents (to my knowledge this is the first death from swatting).

In 2015 in Oaklahoma a SWATTING was done where the swatter claimed a bomb was at a preschool. A police chief made entry into the alleged bombers home and was shot multiple times by the homeowner. He only survived due to his ballistic vest.

I’m sure this nut job knew about it. Im sure that he knew the dangers of feeding law enforcement such a nightmare scenario and what the results would be.
 

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I didn't say he will be out soon. I said he will be back in prison shortly after release.

Our prison system doesn't rehab people. We create career criminals.
This jackass was beyond redemption in my opinion. He showed zero remorse and is a complete sack of shit for doing it in the first place. 20 years is too good for the guy.
 
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