Superior IQs Associated with Mental and Physical Disorders

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There’s some bad news for people in the right tail of the IQ bell curve: researchers emailed a survey with questions about psychological and physiological disorders to members of high-IQ society Mensa and found that they were more likely to suffer from a range of serious disorders.

Respondents were asked to report whether they had ever been formally diagnosed with each disorder, or suspected they suffered from it. With a return rate of nearly 75%, Karpinski and colleagues compared the percentage of the 3,715 respondents who reported each disorder to the national average. The biggest differences between the Mensa group and the general population were seen for mood disorders and anxiety disorders.
 
grass is always greener....

Trust me, you're better off with a higher IQ.

These statistical associations are mostly bullshit
 
It's because dopamine is used to connect information across synapses, and higher mental articulation requires more dopamine to keep together, and mental illness is what occurs when there isn't enough dopamine available in a brain to handle a presented workload. Mental illnesses can be treated effectively by giving large increases to available dopamine, but most dopaminergics, especially those used in conventional medicine give only meagre dopamine increases, while simultaneously increasing adrenergic influence in a brain. Adrenergic influence is like an antithetical influence to dopamine, causing a brain to work faster and to require more dopamine to handle its workload, putting a brain under more stress. Whereas increasing dopamine grants a brain more necessary fuel to effectively handle the workload that it has. So, common medical dopaminergics can often be as much poison for mental health treatment as they are benefit for them, because of the antagonistic and counter-productive dopaminergic / adrenergic influences that they give.

Medical dopamine research (and most other medical research) funded by patent-holding corporations, and by anti-drug governments, is the same as anti-global warming research conducted and funded by oil companies.

A lot of effort is spent directing people away from the truth. But, obviously, if increasing something progressively enhances brain performance, then reducing that thing is going to coincide the exact opposite. And dopaminergics such as Modafinil, cocaine, methamphetamine, and tons of others that dramatically increase working cognitive ability are often called "smart drugs", and "study drugs" exactly because of the dopamine increase they give.

Study Suggests Genetics Could Be The Root Cause Of Schizophrenia

"The findings may help explain the longstanding mystery of why brains from people with schizophrenia tend to have a thinner cerebral cortex with fewer synapses than unaffected individuals do," said a press statement from the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, whose experts took part in the study.

This is the brain's outer layer, often referred to as grey matter, involved in learning and memory."


Mice Fed with Cocaine Show Growth in Brain Areas Linked with Learning, Memory

Bingo: A match.


The less dopamine that is available to a brain, the more it chokes out, becoming unable to perform, to cope, to calculate, to move forward. Many people who are the most intelligent in today's society appear as though they're among the least intelligent because of this - whereas the converse situation is also true, where many of those currently appearing to be highly intelligent actually have extremely low consideration but lots of dopamine-availability precisely because their brain relatively isn't trying to work with as much information, and so the relatively little consideration that those people have is able to benefit from their high dopamine availability, making that person appear highly functional and active - which is where the myth of psychopaths being highly intelligent comes from. They're really extremely stupid, but just highly functional, due to having a surplus of dopamine in their brain, which isn't using it for considering beyond their self-benefit.
 
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This has got to be the joke of the day. All these people need to find something more constructive to research in order to justify those PHD's. Problem with such research is that it makes generalizations.
Cool thing about modern psychiatry is that to some degree we are as smart as healthy we eat. Environment in which we grew up and I guess genetics in some part. :D
 
What about poor saps like me with low IQ and mental disorders :(
 
I don't think anyone who falls into that category is surprised by this. It is a matter of smarter people learn lessons faster than most, and sometimes by temporary conditions or by a small sample size, creating an unrealistic view of life. It takes less mistreatment to cause a smart person to go off the rails, and many times more effort to correct it.
 
SilAntoine said:
No surprises there, when you see the world clearly as it is you can't help to get depressed very quickly.
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I wouldn't say the situation is hopeless, but it sure is depressing when you see people and nations not working together and, instead, pushing their own ego filled agenda that is reminiscent of the dark ages (early medieval period).
 
SilAntoine said:
No surprises there, when you see the world clearly as it is you can't help to get depressed very quickly.
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Put another way, when one has a superior intellect it becomes much easier to see where all the fuck-ups are happening and the depression sets in when the superior intellect accepts the realization that no matter how intelligent a single such individual is there will always be 1,000 far less intelligent individuals drowning them in stupidity.

I hate using the term "I.Q." since intelligence cannot be actually measured and it's always misunderstood anyway - it's a measure of an individuals adaptability to new situations and capability of learning new things, plain and simple, and one doesn't require a "high I.Q." to understand that meaning.
 
Delicieuxz said:
It's because dopamine is used to connect information across synapses, and higher mental articulation requires more dopamine to keep together, and mental illness is what occurs when there isn't enough dopamine available in a brain to handle a presented workload. Mental illnesses can be treated effectively by giving large increases to available dopamine, but most dopaminergics, especially those used in conventional medicine give only meagre dopamine increases, while simultaneously increasing adrenergic influence in a brain. Adrenergic influence is like an antithetical influence to dopamine, causing a brain to work faster and to require more dopamine to handle its workload, putting a brain under more stress. Whereas increasing dopamine grants a brain more necessary fuel to effectively handle the workload that it has. So, common medical dopaminergics can often be as much poison for mental health treatment as they are benefit for them, because of the antagonistic and counter-productive dopaminergic / adrenergic influences that they give.

Medical dopamine research (and most other medical research) funded by patent-holding corporations, and by anti-drug governments, is the same as anti-global warming research conducted funded by oil companies.

A lot of effort is spent directing people away from the truth. But, obviously, if increasing something progressively enhances brain performance, then reducing that thing is going to coincide the exact opposite.

Study Suggests Genetics Could Be The Root Cause Of Schizophrenia

"The findings may help explain the longstanding mystery of why brains from people with schizophrenia tend to have a thinner cerebral cortex with fewer synapses than unaffected individuals do," said a press statement from the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, whose experts took part in the study.

This is the brain's outer layer, often referred to as grey matter, involved in learning and memory."


Mice Fed with Cocaine Show Growth in Brain Areas Linked with Learning, Memory

Bingo: A match.


The less dopamine that is available to a brain, the more it chokes out, becoming unable to perform, to cope, to calculate, to move forward. Many people who are the most intelligent in today's society appear as though they're among the least intelligent because of this - whereas the converse situation is also true, where many of those currently appearing to be highly intelligent actually have extremely low consideration but lots of dopamine-availability precisely because their brain relatively isn't trying to work with as much information, and so the relatively little consideration that those people have is benefit to their high dopamine availability, making that person appear highly functional and active - which is where the myth of psychopaths being highly intelligent comes from. They're really extremely stupid, but just highly functional, due to having a surplus of dopamine in their brain, which isn't using it for considering beyond their self-benefit.
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Very interesting. Is your background in psych? What methods or drugs increase dopamine without counteracting the effect? What is the best for depression?

What you say would explain why dumb people can often be the happiest (i.e. dumb blond).

The body naturally tries to go to equilibrium, so whatever you give it would seem to have the same counter-productive effect. Otherwise you have to keep increasing the dosage.
 
This explains all the dumb jocks. Low IQs, physically strong.
This also explains most of Hollywood, low IQs, physically attractive.
 
I grew up hearing the phrase "Too smart for your own damn good."

How much did these fools get funded, err, free money to tell us something we already knew?
 
watch the movie called A Beautiful Mind. Did you think Einstein was "all there" ? It used to be called being eccentric but today they call it some medical name and want to give you Zoloft
 
_l_ said:
watch the movie called A Beautiful Mind. Did you think Einstein was "all there" ? It used to be called being eccentric but today they call it some medical name and want to give you Zoloft
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Great movie.
 
Is this the thread where we post our high IQ's but nonchalantly claim in the same sentence IQ tests don't matter?
 
The survey covered mood disorders (depression, dysthymia, and bipolar), anxiety disorders (generalized, social, and obsessive-compulsive), attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, and autism.
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Is this really that much of a shock, depression, anxiety, all signs of overthinking shit too much, ADHD yeah you're easily bored and need to jump from thing to thing, autism... well I'll just leave that alone since that is such a broad range of possible things it could mean literally anything nowadays. Plus people who think more will tend to over analyze every little iota of their lives and think they have a problem when they really dont :)
 
_l_ said:
watch the movie called A Beautiful Mind. Did you think Einstein was "all there" ? It used to be called being eccentric but today they call it some medical name and want to give you Zoloft
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A beautiful mind is about maths genius , John Nash. They haven't done a recent Einstein life film.
 
SilAntoine said:
No surprises there, when you see the world clearly as it is you can't help to get depressed very quickly.
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Disorder doesn't automatically mean depressed.
Can be many different things.

Thats why I hate when people judge based on a disorder. Just seems like a shallow thing to do when we all know how complex humans are.
 
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Joke aside, the saying you don't know what you have until you've lost rings very true. People with problems of any sort who decide to face them head on often find workarounds or solutions, excel far past previous expectations and never look back. Take nothing for granted, adapt and move on.
 
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Too bad, so sad. I'm fine with being smart with a slightly higher chance of going crazy later, as opposed to being stupid throughout my life.
 
Nallexi said:
So, you're saying we should all be doing more cocaine?
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Difference in snorting and eating.

I highly doubt that eating cocaine has anywhere the side effects that snorting does.

Coca-Cola used to have cocaine in it.
 
blkt said:
Joke aside, the saying you don't know what you have until you've lost rings very true. People with problems of any sort who decide to face them head on often find workarounds or solutions, excel far past previous expectations and never look back. Take nothing for granted, adapt and move on.
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Unfortunately when see the world moving more to an "Idiocracy" type of future and less of a "Enlightened minds" future, you get depressed. The whole idea of the dumb people are reproducing faster than smart ones is truth
 
If you consider than more than half the population believe they are of above average intelligence, maybe it is better to be dumb and think you're smart than to actually be smart.

At least from a happiness point of view.
 
Creative genius often dances on the line with insanity.

Some of the most gifted people, including artist were a touch "eccentric"
 
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deton8 said:
If you consider than more than half the population believe they are of above average intelligence, maybe it is better to be dumb and think you're smart than to actually be smart.

At least from a happiness point of view.
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Compared to our parents, and our parent's parents, we are more intelligent. However the average IQ remains 100, because by definition that is the average intelligence of society. It's a moving intelligence scale. As we become smarter, so does the 100 IQ.

I wonder what people would think my IQ to be.
 
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