Does anyone know if these two processors will use the AM3+ socket or not? I am on the fence on getting an AM3+ socket and FX 8350 and then getting one of the mentioned processors down the road. I know they aren't due for like another 2 years or so but it sure would be a nice upgrade path. Have you guys heard anything regarding what socket those two CPUs will be?
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"Steamroller" and "Excavator"
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octoberasian
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The only thing that seemed rather confirmed by AMD from one of their last press conferences and I think at CES or another event was that Steamroller will still use AM3+ socket.
As for Excavator, we can only expect it will use a new socket given how old the AMx socket is at the moment (and antiquated it is as well).
As for Excavator, we can only expect it will use a new socket given how old the AMx socket is at the moment (and antiquated it is as well).
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Steamroller will be on both AM3+ and FM2. It is pretty much confirmed that Steamroller will be the last architecture to use AM3+, and Excavator will be a new socket. Hopefully it will be one that breaks all socket compatibility with AM3+, has an integrated NB, and so on.
Steamroller on AM3+ doesn't exist. The products that were on the roadmaps have vanished and Kaveri was pushed back by a year.
That's not to say that it definitely won't show up in 2014. It might, but it's not on any AMD roadmaps.
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The most recent information we have still has Kaveri coming out in 2H 2013. Given the close proximity of the Richland launch, it most likely is going to be late 2013, sometime around November or December.
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For the APU, Kaveri is definitely not AM3+. It's most likely FM2.
As for the FX series, it may still be AM3+. (BIG MAYBE.) Or, it could be an entirely new socket.
Excavator, who knows? That's still up in the air.
Kaveri will not be pin compatible with FM2 also.
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Kaveri will be pin compatible with FM2.
If it performs better than Intel's next chip then you bet people will gladly shell out for new motherboards.
If AMD doesnt deliver this next round I am not sure how they are going to continue to fare in the desktop processor segment if they fare at all.
If AMD doesnt deliver this next round I am not sure how they are going to continue to fare in the desktop processor segment if they fare at all.
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I doubt it will perform better. But it will be competitive, that much is certain.
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FX8350 is faster in video encoding already, it delivers already but if you still hoping for that miracle single thread improvement that will just wipe out Intel lead over the last years then it is not going to happen.
Supposedly AM3+ is the last step of the way for Steamroller (confirmed) that story hasn't been denied so far. And supposedly it would pop up around the end of this year what is unknown is if it will still reach the market in 2013 or miss it.
Check out how much Watt FM2 is limited at (100)., while AM3+ is 140Watt. There maybe something like FM2+ (without the 100 Watt barrier) underway but it is still sketchy at this point in time.
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Wattage isnt a limitation of the socket. my msi 990fx-gd65 v2 is rated for 125 watt processors, but my FX8320 at 4.9ghz was sucking down 335 watts under full load....
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The layout, the die size, the pin count, the chipset, and that's just off the top of my head.
You can't just make any CPU you want and stick it in whatever socket you please. That sort of stuff takes years of planning. Though the core architecture (or module in this case) may be the same, the rest isn't. The server derivatives have loads of L3 cache that can't just be replaced with the GPU as it changes the layout of the die completely.
I wouldn't be surprised if AMD cancels their server derived chips altogether, frankly. If their ARM A57/A53 64-bit SoCs + SeaMicro fabric take off then what's the point of keeping the other socket alive? AMD's server market share is currently below ARM's, and that's with ARM still stuck at 32-bit. It's gotten that dire. Given that most of the chips they sell are APUs anyway, it wouldn't at all surprise me if AMD yanked Steamroller from the desktop/server lineup for good.
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Why are you taking that type of tone with somebody who is trying to correct your ignorance?
well I wouldn't call anyone ignorant if he is currently working on the product itself
Boys lets keep this thread under control. So should I upgrade to fx8350 and new motherboard now or wait a year till steamroller rolls around? Currently running a 965be with a non working motherboard. Another option I have is to just buy a cheap motherboard for the 965be and wait till steamroller is available.
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well I wouldn't call anyone ignorant if he is currently working on the product itself
You're working on next-generation AMD hardware and are involved at such a level that you feel you can refute AMD's own stated plans for future socket support?
It is expected to have a 15% percent performance increase over Piledriver. It is up to you if you feel it is worth waiting for. I personally wouldn't wait a year to upgrade a CPU if I felt it was necessary now. There is always something faster coming out next year. That said the 965BE is no slouch. It is still competitive with the mid-level AMD/low-level Intel CPUs on the market today.
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You can get an AM3+ motherboard, rock on your 965, and wait for Steamroller. Or you can do a complete platform change and go to Intel, which is guaranteed performance. Steamroller should be a drop-in upgrade for AM3+.
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advice #1 http://www.microcenter.com/site/products/amd_bundles.aspx pick one cpu/mobo combo i went from a 965 to a fx 8350 its very noticeable
advice #2 the money saveing option is go to amazon or ebay and search for am3+ 970 and get a new board ive seen plenty of good ones for around $64 - $90
advice #3 either route get a ssd for your boot drive. Ive got a mushkin catalyst ssd caching drive with dataplex and it helps a lot.
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OP, if you decide to get an AMD board to support future cpus, whether you stick with your 940BE for now or jump to a 8350, make SURE you get a board with at least an 8+2 power phase..Most, if not all, 970 boards, and even some cheaper 990 boards use a 4+1 power phase setup, and that is NOT enough juice to power even a mildly overclocked 83XX chip. The board will throttle and many people have reportedly been killing boards with a 4+1 setup rather quickly, sometimes taking the cpu with it. Spend a tad bit more up front and save yourself the headache of an RMA down the road...
I agree. I mean I just lay there at night worrying that I just don't have enough computing horsepower at my fingertips.
Seriously though I haven't needed a new CPU since 2009. In fact since then, the computer gear I've been buying has been reducing in power. Late 2009 I bought a 1.3GHz Intel CULV laptop and its still going great guns. A month ago I bought a dual core Atom Chromebook. Works great!
Now 13 years ago every 33Mhz jump and instruction set addition meant something. Now...pffft, it's there if I need it (well in reality it's there if I want it)!
All this fretting over CPU power just means a lot of folks really don't have anything serious to worry about in their lives. Which on one hand is a good thing but on the other its a bit pathetic really.
A true first world problem!
"Cant afford a 8350! Going to have to stick with my 8120!"
If you weren't already made aware, your information is wrong. Kaveri isn't pushed back by a year, in fact, it's been known for quite some time...many months in fact, that Kaveri will be out in 2013. This was recently confirmed by AMD a few days ago in case anyone had any doubts. This includes their server parts.
As for desktop parts...everyone is still waiting on confirmation for those. AMD is not going to cancel their server chips...that would be absurd as that is the majority of their business.
You're working on next-generation AMD hardware and are involved at such a level that you feel you can refute AMD's own stated plans for future socket support?
well well well
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130530232155_AMD_s_Next_Gen_Kaveri_APUs_Will_Require_New_Mainboards.html
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Well according to the article there won't be backwards compatibility. Sometimes things change for the good.
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That Kaveri requires a new mainboard is only when used with GDDR5 on the mainboard is my guess. Supposedly Kaveri is due soon in 2nd half of this year (according to Rage3d.com interview).
The only thing that would be a surprise if they allow the platform to allow 140 Watt since 100 Watt is the FM2 limit.
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Timing issues more then likely.