You only need one hornet when dremic is the pilot !
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You only need one hornet when dremic is the pilot !
Bought to cop the most sophisticated joystick on the planet
Why more Constellations for protecting an Idris? It seems that given it takes 4 people to make the Constellation worth while (1 pilot, 2 gunners and P52 pilot), you'd be better off with just another 4 fighters.
The Constellation strikes me more as a ship for solo mercantile or as the anchor of a smaller fleet.
The Constellation is really the ship I want, but I'm not willing to pay $225 for a single ship and I'm not counting on having friends to with me at all times to crew it.
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Chris Roberts in an interview said that a Constellation would give 3 hornets (military grade fighters) more than a run for their money, and you can have A.I. controlled crew which can be upgraded as well.
Edit: The snub fighter is not really to be used in a large(r) engagement. Look at the specs of the thing, it's so light I almost think it can be taken out by a hornet ramming into it lol (5.5 tons versus 22 tons). It's role is more of a highly mobile and armed escape pod and as a lookout/scout when entering hostile/unknown territory.
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So 4 Hornets would be better then?
Though if someone is willing to give me $100, I'd be happy enough to pay the difference to get myself a Constellation that they are more than welcome to crew with me
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Isn't that how it should work though? A bomber counters capital ships, Fighters counter bombers (well squadrons). Which leads to people flying different types of craft since each one has counters and there's no best one.
I hope the gunners in bombers is a fun thing to play. I enjoyed that back in Aces online, playing the rear gunner and fighting off the fighter planes trying to take it down.
I hope the gunners in bombers is a fun thing to play. I enjoyed that back in Aces online, playing the rear gunner and fighting off the fighter planes trying to take it down.
I feel like there's going to be a lot of time doing sweet fuck all.
I'm beginning to break down and want to pledge but im going to be too late for LTI..
Do we have any vet backers here willing to do LTI deals?
I decided i am most likely going to pledge something next month which means i'll miss out on being able to get a hornet with LTI. which means id need a vet backer to order a hornet for me before november which would then come with LTI and gift it to me.
I'll prob get the cheapest 300i package which has alpha/beta access first week of august. and then id need to paypal someone to order me a hornet with LTI at some point. the hornet will be my primary fighting vessel which is why i want LTI on it and the 300i would be more of a cruising around vessel and less likely to be taken some where overly hostile.
i would have the 300i no LTI and a Hornet with LTI +2000 credits for 145$
compared to getting a colonel package with the hornet and no LTI +5000 credits for 125$.
assuming packages and prices stay the same and they only lose the LTI from them.
Do we have any vet backers here willing to do LTI deals?
I decided i am most likely going to pledge something next month which means i'll miss out on being able to get a hornet with LTI. which means id need a vet backer to order a hornet for me before november which would then come with LTI and gift it to me.
I'll prob get the cheapest 300i package which has alpha/beta access first week of august. and then id need to paypal someone to order me a hornet with LTI at some point. the hornet will be my primary fighting vessel which is why i want LTI on it and the 300i would be more of a cruising around vessel and less likely to be taken some where overly hostile.
i would have the 300i no LTI and a Hornet with LTI +2000 credits for 145$
compared to getting a colonel package with the hornet and no LTI +5000 credits for 125$.
assuming packages and prices stay the same and they only lose the LTI from them.
Why not just pledge $30 right now for the Aurora and then refund the ship next month when you get more money?
Then you get veteran backer status and you can apply the $30 towards your 300i or Hornet.
constellation isnt a capital ship i thought. there is a scale picture that shows you the ship sizes, the constellation is like 30-40% the size of a capital ship *i thought*
and i agree, thats how it should work i thought hornets are for dogfighting not taking out bigger ships like a bomber
i dont even have $30 in the bank right now, and i dont use CC's only debit lol.
i have no bills or expenses but also no real income.
i stay at my sisters and take care of my nieces for her 4-6 days a week, i get paid with food and shelter lol.
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it might be possible for me to have 30$ by tomorrow if i can get my uncles lawn mowed before my bank closes lol and make my mother watch my nieces for the day haha. nothing like waiting to the last minute.....
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I figured Hornets would be the perfect ship to take out a bomber, not so much to take out the larger capital ships.
That would make the most sense, bomber kills capital ship, fighter kills bomber, so the best defense for an Idris would be more fighters in order to take out the bombers.
Ask your sister if you can borrow $30? Or a friend? Or a parent? It seems far easier to get someone in your immediate circle to lend you $30 than try and get someone online to do it for you. I'd be more than happy to lend someone I know and trust in the flesh $100 or $1000 and I'm sure if I needed some money quickly there's a dozen or so people I could ask and pay back a few weeks later, but I'm not willing to lend $10 for someone I've only met on a forum.
I was talking about the constellation vs fighters.
While the constellation isn't a bomber per se it's in that area in terms of what it's capable of, big ship with turrets/gunners but instead of a bomber it's geared toward hauling cargo.
if you have no money then you should not buy a game that doesn't come out for 2 years, requires expensive hardware, and might not even be good. there are plenty of good free games to play. get your priorities straight
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Might want to get in touch with these people.
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/28498/star-citizen-gifting-community
i fail. i meant to say constellation not bombers.
hornet are a dogfighter
bombers beat big ships like constellations
constellations are gonna mob on dogfighters, you will need a bomber to fuck them up.
just paid for the hornet package today though! very exciting.
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Alright...update time.
New Ships:
-Constellation
-Avenger
New Ships:
-Constellation
-Avenger
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Keep in mind that, while yes, it would take 3 Hornets or so to entirely destroy a Constellation; A single hornet with a good pilot could still cripple a constellation in a 1v1 match up.
So while there are clearly defined 'roles' you have to remember that ships don't just take generic damage. A single hornet could easily focus and take out a constellations engines and leave it dead in the water for other things to catch up to it. It's just that 3 Hornets / Fighters is what you'd need to annihilate a larger ship like a Constellation. The constellation in particular seems to have a big weak spot directly behind it. The two locations where turrets can go on the constellation are up front, so a small fighter managing to stay directly behind a constellation could seriously hurt it. Of course, that's why you have the snub fighter / fighter escort with ships that large.
So while there are clearly defined 'roles' you have to remember that ships don't just take generic damage. A single hornet could easily focus and take out a constellations engines and leave it dead in the water for other things to catch up to it. It's just that 3 Hornets / Fighters is what you'd need to annihilate a larger ship like a Constellation. The constellation in particular seems to have a big weak spot directly behind it. The two locations where turrets can go on the constellation are up front, so a small fighter managing to stay directly behind a constellation could seriously hurt it. Of course, that's why you have the snub fighter / fighter escort with ships that large.
i already had to barrow money from them a few weeks ago to buy a new psu when mine blew up. paid it back already but would rather not ask to barrow money again from them for this type of thing.
i have no bills, so me spending money on this game "which alpha starts in december" is not an issue for me. the money i spend on it is my usual B-day money in august that would either go to this or some other hardware any way. wasnt asking to barrow money from anyone here either.
the way veteran status works is any veteran can buy a ship until nov. 26th and it will come with LTI and they can gift it with the LTI to non veterans. so if someone wants a ship with LTI they would need to give money to a vet and have them order and gift a ship before nov. 26th
there is no way youre going to want to have your ship uninsured. the cost of insurance will be pretty minimal and can be bought with in-game credits. losing even "just" a 300i without insurance will set you WAY back. even if you cant buy in time to get LTI you should always keep all your ships insured in game unless theyre just on blocks
dont listen to that guy telling you not to spend your money on this. spend it on what you want. are you sure that the LTI carries if a veteran gifts the ship to you though? link to where it says that? id be happy to do that for you if so.
EDIT: also it's borrow.
there is no way youre going to want to have your ship uninsured. the cost of insurance will be pretty minimal and can be bought with in-game credits. losing even "just" a 300i without insurance will set you WAY back. even if you cant buy in time to get LTI you should always keep all your ships insured in game unless theyre just on blocks
dont listen to that guy telling you not to spend your money on this. spend it on what you want. are you sure that the LTI carries if a veteran gifts the ship to you though? link to where it says that? id be happy to do that for you if so.
EDIT: also it's borrow.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/12845-Friday-Update-Gifting-And-Jump-Point
"And remember that insurance belongs to the ship if thats what you are gifting, so those that registered before 11/26 can purchase packages with lifetime insurance for their friends! Friends will then be able to upgrade, add-on and purchase new ships to add to their collection with all the same benefits."
http://starcitizen.wikia.com/wiki/Lifetime_Insurance#cite_note-9
Insurance is tied to the ship so if you buy a ship with LTI and you give it to someone else it will retain LTI status.
Anyways i went to my uncles today and mowed his lawn so i had enough when i went to the bank to order the 30$ package ill just melt it in august when i can upgrade it to the ships i really want.
So the OP can update me to currently having an RSI Aurora.
and yeah i know i want insurance on all my ships ingame. the 300i would have had insurance just not the LTI like my Hornet.
atm i still plan to get the Hornet but i have a month or so to decide if i want to upgrade right to the colonel pack or still get a smaller tier and just add-on a hornet. either way i need to upgrade my pledge to an alpha/beta access pledge.
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Pretty damn amazing. Looks like I am going to get my deep space log out option the way they are going.
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The turrets of the constellation can rotate 360 degrees we are not flying in an atmosphere fighting gravity where you have to constantly keep your nose going forward. we are flying in zero G space with fully modeled linear/angular momentum, inertia, etc.. That means you can do a small afterburner thrust, and with the maneuvering thrusters turn the ship 180 degrees and keep your forward momentum. Also forgot the Constellation can carry homing missiles.
I've played and still play the Freespace 2 Babylon 5 mod which also happens to have accurately modeled angular momentum flight physics in zero G space. Better go get it and start training, the learning curve to master it is pretty steep.
Watch this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83U5Oupj1RI
With enough training you should be able to do strafe maneuvers like at 2.48 and specially 3:26
Edit: I also remember them talking about impact from projectiles/missiles or energy weapons from larger ships altering/affecting the flight momentum of smaller ships like at 1:05 here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96idw23kHdY
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You also have to keep in mind also that,
1. There'll likely be counters to homing missiles (just like we have today, it makes logical sense in the future they'd still have counters to homing missiles and detection).
2. Turrets are stationary, in terms of a fixed point, the guy manning the gunner position can't "strafe" like the guy flying the fighter. So a fighter will naturally have more maneuverability vs a gunner sitting in the turret on a bigger ship.
You mentioned the newtonian physics and that's exactly why I want to fly the smaller fighter ships, the dogfighters. Being able to keep your momentum and then turning to face the side of a ship and unloading your guns into it and being able to quickly move if need be.
While the bigger ships also will have the physics they aren't as fast and have a lot more girth to them to turn like that.
1. There'll likely be counters to homing missiles (just like we have today, it makes logical sense in the future they'd still have counters to homing missiles and detection).
2. Turrets are stationary, in terms of a fixed point, the guy manning the gunner position can't "strafe" like the guy flying the fighter. So a fighter will naturally have more maneuverability vs a gunner sitting in the turret on a bigger ship.
You mentioned the newtonian physics and that's exactly why I want to fly the smaller fighter ships, the dogfighters. Being able to keep your momentum and then turning to face the side of a ship and unloading your guns into it and being able to quickly move if need be.
While the bigger ships also will have the physics they aren't as fast and have a lot more girth to them to turn like that.
yeah pretty sure flares will be apart of this game
It looks like the Constellation turrets will have a blind spot to the rear where the engines will block line of sight to fighters coming from behind. While the Constellation can pivot and maintain linear momentum, it's big and heavy, big and heavy = large inertia = slow to rotate. So there's a chance that a Hornet will be able to stay in the blind spot even if the Constellation tries to change orientation.
It all depends how quickly the Hornet can move and how quickly the Constellation can rotate.
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People are making it out to be as if the Constellation is several times the size of a Hornet/300 class fighter, it's not. I think of it as a Millenium Falcon compared to an X-wing
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This is why it is vital to have a fighter screen for the larger ships.
That's why I said "It all depends how quickly the Hornet can move and how quickly the Constellation can rotate."
As in, we don't know yet. The Connie is 3.4 times heavier than a Hornet when neither are carrying anything, up to 4.2 times heavier when they are both fully loaded. The Connie is closer in weight to an Idris than it is to a Hornet. A Hornet may or may not be able to stay in the Connie's blind spot.
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Ya, people have noticed that and are asking the P52's dock be reversed so that it faces the rear to help when someone is trying to exploit the Constellation's blind spot. People were thinking of simply lowering the p52 dock and not launch it but just use the ship as a fixed position rear facing turret which I found pretty clever.
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Clever, though it sounds pretty tricky, as isn't the P52 gun fixed? So the only way of aiming would be the pilot of the Connie, who is looking the wrong direction, while you'd still need someone in the P52 to fire the gun on the off chance the Connie pilot actually manages to line it up correctly.
It might work if the P52 gun wasn't fixed, similar to the Hornet's pivoting guns, then the Connie pilot would only need to be in the ballpark area and the P52 pilot would be able to do the "fine tune" aiming.
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The more I read about this game, the more I want to back it up. Which is odd, considering I'm not even into these type of games.
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Ya, you could always just launch it and have it cover your six as that's one of its intended roles. I still don't think having fighters trying to stick to the rear blind spot of a Constellation is a one button win for them as those fighters will also be eating the exhaust particles from the engines and those do drain your shields and will affect your instrumentation/systems.
Awesome
I think we should ask a mod to move the OT posts about ship capabilities and what not since we've kinda derailed the thread.
jesus christ its so deep.
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Yes, probably this alone will make this game better than all other MMO's.
The one problem I see with this is the way the game uses instances.
This kind of thing can be great in a non-instanced world, where that "shop" he talks about is the only shop, but when you have like 10+ instances of that same zone with that shop how will they work all of that out/balance it?
This kind of thing can be great in a non-instanced world, where that "shop" he talks about is the only shop, but when you have like 10+ instances of that same zone with that shop how will they work all of that out/balance it?