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Stoly

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So I've read several reviews and I've found some contradictory reports about the 1080FE

Some sites claim the 1080FE's fan is not noticeable even at 100% while others say even at stock speeds it whines.
Some say it throttles below boost clock and some claim it won't throttle even at 2ghz+
Some say its close to 60º at all times but others say it won't get anywhere below 80º even at stock speeds.
Some say you can get 2ghz+ easily while others say they can't go past 1.8ghz.


Edit... Stupid me put 1080Ti instead.
 
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None of the stock fans from the 780 series thru today have any whine characteristic to them, so I find that difficult to believe. All of the ones I've had have been essentially silent at 100%, strictly in terms of mechanical or electrical characteristics. Sure, you hear the air moving and that may bother many, but it's not a fan whine at least.

My 980s ramp up to 80C pretty quickly and sit there unless you use a more aggressive than default fan profile, so I'd expect the same here. I can't imagine it running at 60C using the stock fan speeds, 55% I think. The overclocking result likely differs by card, so I wouldn't call that lying.
 
StryderxX said:
When did information on the 1080Ti coming out?? :confused:
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it hasn't. People just can't shut up with the speculation. 1080/70 aren't even out and people are spouting off about ti versions and 1060 and shit. Wish they'd shut up...
 
If hypothetically you have the GPU fan running at 100% all the time, will that decrease the lifespan of the fan?
 
Some say that being hard of hearing makes loud fans easier to deal with.
Some say being blind makes it difficult to see the screen.
Some say using a finger as a temperature measuring device isn't very accurate.
Some say there are variations in GPU ASIC quality that might make a difference when overclocking.
And finally, some say bacon is true evil.

Don't believe everything some say. Wait for the [H]ard truth. Then decide.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
I lied....
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zamardii12 said:
If hypothetically you have the GPU fan running at 100% all the time, will that decrease the lifespan of the fan?
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Yes but you may never experience its death. If the fan has a 50000 hour life thats over 5 years of continuous use.
 
Stoly said:
So I've read several reviews and I've found some contradictory reports about the 1080Ti

Some sites claim the 1080FE's fan is not noticeable even at 100% while others say even at stock speeds it whines.
Some say it throttles below boost clock and some claim it won't throttle even at 2ghz+
Some say its close to 60º at all times but others say it won't get anywhere below 80º even at stock speeds.
Some say you can get 2ghz+ easily while others say they can't go past 1.8ghz.
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Sounds like the Quality Control at Nvidia isn't up to snuff.
 
cageymaru said:
Sounds like the Quality Control at Nvidia isn't up to snuff.
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Seriously? Talk about a post from the red.............

Cards are in reviewers hands. A lot of reviewers have agendas (as does the poster quoted). Let the cards get released then make a decision. If you want an honest review, read [H] review (or another site you may trust; and if you trust all sites, well that may be your problem).
 
cageymaru said:
Sounds like the Quality Control at Nvidia isn't up to snuff.
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Sounds like people have different opinions about things, test under different conditions, and didn't receive cherry picked super overclocking samples. It also sounds like some kind of AMD fanboy got lost again.
 
Here is a good example of the this type of cooling unit going from idle to 100% fan speed.


Give it a listen.
 
doz said:
Seriously? Talk about a post from the red.............

Cards are in reviewers hands. A lot of reviewers have agendas (as does the poster quoted). Let the cards get released then make a decision. If you want an honest review, read [H] review (or another site you may trust; and if you trust all sites, well that may be your problem).
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I trust [H] the most, so I believe what they have had to say. TPU is a close second to [H] and underneath the differing personalities they hit similar key points.
 
doz said:
Seriously? Talk about a post from the red.............

Cards are in reviewers hands. A lot of reviewers have agendas (as does the poster quoted). Let the cards get released then make a decision. If you want an honest review, read [H] review (or another site you may trust; and if you trust all sites, well that may be your problem).
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OP was posting about the 1080Ti (probably mistakenly), and the 1080Ti is not out yet.
 
uuuuuh.. someone here it's starting to show his fanboy troll claws.
 
Stoly said:
So I've read several reviews and I've found some contradictory reports about the 1080FE

Some sites claim the 1080FE's fan is not noticeable even at 100% while others say even at stock speeds it whines.
Some say it throttles below boost clock and some claim it won't throttle even at 2ghz+
Some say its close to 60º at all times but others say it won't get anywhere below 80º even at stock speeds.
Some say you can get 2ghz+ easily while others say they can't go past 1.8ghz.


Edit... Stupid me put 1080Ti instead.
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Just to go through the reviews, can you remember which ones they were?
Tom's Hardware is one where left to stock settings it did come down to base clock, but if they OC it was fine.
They went with a fixed fan of 100%, but I have seen another review mention fixing it to 60% also alleviates problems, shame they did not dial back the fan by 5 or 10% to see the ideal rpm.

Yes I agree something is strange with their card at default, would be interesting to see how it performed if they had increased the temp target from 83degrees to 87 and maybe set it so the fan at 80degrees kicks in a bit harder.
At least one other review did this and it works fine, this is not technically OC and still under warranty, including increasing the power target.
Cheers
 
Araxie said:
uuuuuh.. someone here it's starting to show his fanboy troll claws.
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Well I am only aware of 1 review where it really fell down without being touched and that was Tom's Hardware, however when they set parameters it OC fine.
I do not see them mentioning touching just the temp/power target to see how the card then performed, as can be seen where that helped to resolve the problem.

BTW, just to add I have consistently been critical that NVIDIA have been too soft with the fan/ceiling profile on the 1080, which means it is up to the end user to set some parameters that do not necessarily mean OC to achieve consistent results.
Cheers
 
CSI_PC said:
Well I am only aware of 1 review where it really fell down without being touched and that was Tom's Hardware, however when they set parameters it OC fine.
I do not see them mentioning touching just the temp/power target to see how the card then performed, as can be seen where that helped to resolve the problem.

BTW, just to add I have consistently been critical that NVIDIA have been too soft with the fan/ceiling profile on the 1080, which means it is up to the end user to set some parameters that do not necessarily mean OC to achieve consistent results.
Cheers
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oh.. a hint, forgot to say.. isn't you.. =)...
 
CSI_PC said:
Well I am only aware of 1 review where it really fell down without being touched and that was Tom's Hardware, however when they set parameters it OC fine.
I do not see them mentioning touching just the temp/power target to see how the card then performed, as can be seen where that helped to resolve the problem.

BTW, just to add I have consistently been critical that NVIDIA have been too soft with the fan/ceiling profile on the 1080, which means it is up to the end user to set some parameters that do not necessarily mean OC to achieve consistent results.
Cheers
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No, Araxie is pissed at me. ;)
 
Araxie, when you're making jabs at someone you should be clear who the target is.

See how that worked?!
 
that's because I only throw jabs to known people that I know they know what im talking about, and not to everyone, only cool guys that I know who aren't going to feel it as an offense, its a game for long time debaters here.. =). sometimes it's a matter of how can piss off more the other, he, cageymaru is a nice guy.. he's never angry which it's cool.. except when you piss him with an i3 =)
 
Lol I get that but some others...
I still say our FXs are better than an i3!
Like that?!
 
Araxie said:
that's because I only throw jabs to known people that I know they know what im talking about, and not to everyone, only cool guys that I know who aren't going to feel it as an offense, its a game for long time debaters here.. =). sometimes it's a matter of how can piss off more the other, he, cageymaru is a nice guy.. he's never angry which it's cool.. except when you piss him with an i3 =)
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I never got angry. You? :)
 
I haven't seen any reviews saying the fan was quiet at 100%, and I made an effort to read 'em all.

One review did say they sustained overclocks >2Ghz at only 55% fan speed, but they didn't specify if it was an open bench, how long they kept that overclock up, how they were stressing the GPU at that time, or if they were testing at Santa's workshop at the North Pole. So I tend to discount that one.
 
brentsg said:
None of the stock fans from the 780 series thru today have any whine characteristic to them, so I find that difficult to believe. All of the ones I've had have been essentially silent at 100%, strictly in terms of mechanical or electrical characteristics. Sure, you hear the air moving and that may bother many, but it's not a fan whine at least.

My 980s ramp up to 80C pretty quickly and sit there unless you use a more aggressive than default fan profile, so I'd expect the same here. I can't imagine it running at 60C using the stock fan speeds, 55% I think. The overclocking result likely differs by card, so I wouldn't call that lying.
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It's important to consider pitch when comparing the newer reference coolers.

I upgraded from 660Ti PE twin frozr to 2x ref. 980s a couple years ago.

I actually found the pitchy whirr of the twin frozr to be more annoying, as I could definitely pick it up through my headphones.

The 980s while louder, aren't very discernible from any fans I have in the room.
 
I got to hear a 1080FE up close ~2100MHz Idle it was quiet, I could hear the H20 pump from the CPU AIO over the card.
 
Someone's trying too hard here.

I haven't seen a single review where it says that the 1080 fan whines. In fact, all reviews I've read that mentioned acoustic profile said that the noise profile is top notch and very pleasant, even up to 100% fan speed (for the sites that tested that).
 
{NG}Fidel said:
I honestly have a hard time believing 100% fan speed, on anything, isn't noisy.
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If it's like nVidia blowers of the past, set to 100% is like a hair dryer on low? It's not something you'd want on all the time.

It is a very pleasant frequency, more pleasant than a hair dryer.

I personally discredited any "whines". Extremely unlikely that is true.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
I honestly have a hard time believing 100% fan speed, on anything, isn't noisy.
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And in practice why would anyone run at 100 percent? The OC preview stated they'll look a more reasonable high fan speed to control temps I the full review. At 100% they only hit 62 c max I their tests, so they could theoretically back the fan speed until the temp reached up to 82 c max (although I'd want a buffer of a few degrees)
 
Napoleon said:
And in practice why would anyone run at 100 percent? The OC preview stated they'll look a more reasonable high fan speed to control temps I the full review. At 100% they only hit 62 c max I their tests, so they could theoretically back the fan speed until the temp reached up to 82 c max (although I'd want a buffer of a few degrees)
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To maintain an oc on the shit cooler it comes with.
 
I think they can leave it at 70-80% and get around 70-72oC. Seems like a good compromise to me.
 
Again, none of the reviews said the fan whined or was a particularly annoying noise. It was described as a "whoosh" of wind. But, at 100%, that whooshing noise is loud enough to clearly hear from the next room.
 
trandoanhung1991 said:
I think they can leave it at 70-80% and get around 70-72oC. Seems like a good compromise to me.
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Yeah the 100% is only used because it is the simplest way to try and benchmark with best parameters.
I am pretty sure several reviewers set the fan to 65% to 70%
In fact probably the lowest set was HardwareCanuck but that may (probably)be open bench:The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Review - Page 24
Well that isn’t all that shabby now is it? After more than two hours working on Precision the core was able to hit a constant Boost speed of 2126MHz, representing a pretty shocking 400MHz+ overclock when compared to the standard load results I achieved. The memory got in on the party as well with a decent showing at5670MHz. This was all accomplished while maintaining a fan speed of 55% which proved to be quiet enough to not disturb gaming sessions.

Now actually getting to this point wasn’t easy and it should be noted that even though NVIDIA’s cooler is quite capable, its default fan profile is absolute garbage if you intend on overclocking. I also smashed head first into a voltage and Power Limit wall so even if I would have been able to achieve higher theoretical frequencies, they would have been dragged back down to earth by NVIDIA’s Boost algorithms.
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Part of the issue is how the profiling is working with the fan being variable combined with not being aggresive enough related to the target temp value of 83degrees; changing both of these can make the situation much better.
This does not mean you must use a fixed fan speed, but definitely need to ensure that near 80 degrees it is set better than it is currently, and also the target temp so greater buffer for the Boost algorithm when it hits 80.

Cheers
 
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I suppose you can get a fan with a bad bearing or out of balance that could cause a whine. I am sure Nvidia just puts the fan in and doesn't necessarily test every single one. It can happen with any product, so who cares, right?
 
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