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Some Battlemage Specs

wayward battle mage info
erek said:
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“Intel has reportedly chosen the TSMC 4 nm EUV foundry node for its next generation Arc Xe2 discrete GPUs based on the "Battlemage" graphics architecture. This would mark a generational upgrade from the Arc "Alchemist" family, which Intel built on the TSMC 6 nm DUV process. The TSMC N4 node offers significant increases in transistor densities, performance, and power efficiency over the N6, which is allowing Intel to nearly double the Xe cores on its largest "Battlemage" variant in numerical terms. This, coupled with increased IPC, clock speeds, and other features, should make the "Battlemage" contemporary against today's AMD RDNA 3 and NVIDIA Ada gaming GPUs. Interestingly, TSMC N4 isn't the most advanced foundry node that the Xe2 "Battlemage" is being built on. The iGPU powering Intel's Core Ultra 200V "Lunar Lake" processor is part of its Compute tile, which Intel is building on the more advanced TSMC N3 (3 nm) node.”

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dogDAbone said:
It's not, they just want you to think that it is, so that you will go & buy a 16GB model :)
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I bet it's the B5xx models, so a 4GB increase from the A580. 20 or 24 Xe2 cores vs. 24 for the A580. Likely a hit to memory bandwidth, but maybe not much. A580 has a 256-bit bus with 16Gb/s GDDR6, but 20 seems to be readily available. If they use 20Gb/s ram it would have about 94% of the A580s bandwidth. 256-bit bus on a sub $200 card is a little nuts these days, I bet the A580 can't really use all of it.

There are other leaks of a 32 Xe2 core chip with a 256-bit bus, so matching up with the A770 32 XE + 256 configuration. They could cut that down to 28 like the A750.
 
Hoping they go 32 again on their high end model as I need another gpu. Will be waiting to see how the arch changes pan out. I think they learned a lot from Arc and will address the biggest issues with through put for the next gen. Actually a bit excited for the new cards to release and hoping they're gonna be competitive at a reasonable price point.
 
learners permit said:
Hoping they go 32 again on their high end model as I need another gpu. Will be waiting to see how the arch changes pan out. I think they learned a lot from Arc and will address the biggest issues with through put for the next gen. Actually a bit excited for the new cards to release and hoping they're gonna be competitive at a reasonable price point.
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Well it would be rather funny if Intel can beat AMD highest end RDNA 4 card. Just have not heart much dealing with Intels discrete cards.
 
noko said:
Well it would be rather funny if Intel can beat AMD highest end RDNA 4 card. Just have not heart much dealing with Intels discrete cards.
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That would be hilarious. It would also be fun to see Intel fabbing GPUs for NV or AMD the gen after next if they can get 18A working well. Giggles aside I just want someone to properly compete with NV, and I wouldn't mind at all if one of my options was fabbed by Intel in the USA. That's not going to happen this round, but maybe in late 2026/early 2027. I just don't like one company having a lock on anything.
 
Decko87 said:
https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-...t-battlemage-graphics-card-features-12gb-vram
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I saw that. I doubt that's the top model. There are a lot of leaks about a 32 Xe2 core, 256 bus, 16GB vram model, so specs similar to the A770 aside from Xe2 instead of Xe cores. But maybe the B580 launches first? What I'm really wondering is when, and especially if Intel will launch this year and get out ahead of the next gen NV and AMD stuff. Sounds like they might, but to really pull off a coup if they have the goods and they're ready there would have been an announcement by now. Get the cards to retail by Black Friday.
 
I like the fact that you can link articles of personal interest for reference. Over time AI play ground would definitely become a powerful and much more useful tool for it's user.
 
That RTX 3060 12gb-7600-660xt current price.

Last time skus went

A310
A380

A580

A750
A770


So B580-B570 should be just be the mid card if they kept like before (but maybe they will skip the "high end")
 
I am really really hoping these are decent gpus. I would love to have something that works well enough for less than 300 bucks.
 
LukeTbk said:
So B580-B570 should be just be the mid card if they kept like before (but maybe they will skip the "high end")
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The chip that was reportedly cancelled was the little one for B3xx cards. I bet they're just starting with $200-250 budget cards since that's where they can make the biggest dent. NV and AMD have been neglecting the budget segment which leaves an opening for Intel to grab market share. More market share will make ARC work better. New games not working on day 1 isn't all Intel's fault. It's also the fault of the game devs for not bothering to test on ARC. Of course a lot of them probably don't see much reason to bother since hardly anyone uses ARC, but more market share will change that.

New leak has specs on the B570. 18 Xe2 cores, 160-bit bus, 10GB, clocked at 2.6GHz. No price but it looks like it's just over 80% of a B580 so I'm guessing $200. The B580 has 20 Xe2 cores, 192-bit bus, 12GB and is clocked at 2.8.
 
I want one for the server to get some sort of quicksync instead of nvenc.
 
With everything going on at Intel right now I hope they continue to push in the DGPU space. Anyone think they will bail after Battlemage or will they keep at it? Personally I'm planning picking one up to try with a 12th gen system I have with no GPU in it right now.
 
Intel says they have their own frame generation now to go with these new cards, Tom didn't say if first generation products get to use it or not yet or other vendors.
 
TheHig said:
With everything going on at Intel right now I hope they continue to push in the DGPU space. Anyone think they will bail after Battlemage or will they keep at it? Personally I'm planning picking one up to try with a 12th gen system I have with no GPU in it right now.
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AMD and Nvidia are their competitors.

Intel either keeps playing defense on cpu market share or they do some offense.

Hopefully they keep making gpus. In a few years it could be a net positive and it would greatly help the consumer market.
 
Wag said:
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ba...announce-the-arc-b580-and-b570-graphics-cards

Why would anyone buy the B570? There's only a $30 price difference between the B570 and B580.
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10% less core, 6% lower clock, 17% less bandwidth with 17% less memory, for 12% cheaper.

Should probably be 20% cheaper ($200) to be interesting and could quickly end up there, performance sometime does not rise linearly so maybe it will be 10% slower for 12% cheaper, which is not super interesting but not bad.
 
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Still only UHBR13.5 on the DisplayPort outputs. Not that I think it matters with the performance bracket of these cards.

Intel says B580 availability will start next Friday, December 13. B570 on January 16.

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Armenius said:
Which means PCI-E 3.0 x16 will be fine in terms of bandwidth.
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Would it not mean it has only 8 lines, so it will be pci-e 3.0 x8 (which is maybe not much of an issue for this level of card that has a nice amount of vram)
 
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that how im interpreting it...
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Same here.

It's probably not much of a problem. The 4060 & 4060Ti are 8x too, and from what I've seen they're ok on pci-e 3 until the 8GB card gets low on vram. Pci-e 4 helps a bit in marginal vram situations. I can't see why these cards should behave any differently aside from having from having more than 8GB.

Another way to look at it is this thing is around the performance of a 2080Ti or 3070, and we wouldn't have batted an eye at running one of those on pci-e 3 8x back in the day.
 
It will be interesting to see how these new Intel cards perform in PCIe 3 / 4 x8 and not x16 as the B570 will be a first time SKU model by them that didn't exist before and priced cheap @ $219.99
 
Will Intel later have a B770/750 card? Some YouTubers hinted that might be possible. hmmmm
 
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