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Socket 775 future

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Varmint

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This thread is mainly about pricing, not future 775 CPUs.

I assume there will be no new 775 processors, except maybe newer steppings.

About the pricing - will we see chips like the q9650 dropping in price, and when do you guys think 775 prices will bottom as production tapers off?
 
There will be low powered versions of current processors, nothing else.

We already saw them drop in price. Prices won't go into "clearance" if that's what you're hoping for, all you have to look is the history of CPU EOLs. LGA775 will simply 'disappear' from vendors when its replacement (presumably i5) comes along and establishes itself in the market.
 
LGA775 doesn't have much of a future. No old socket ever does.
 
'vanish' is the right word. It happened for all old Intel and AMD sockets so far. The mainboards and CPUs don't really drop in price, but inventory simply isn't replenished anymore. Once it's sold out, it's gone.

775 will just linger along as-is for now until i5 and new i7 parts have been released. That's when 775 will begin to vanish rapidly as it won't make sense for vendors to keep 775/C2 parts in stock.
 
Of course we won't be seeing them vanish any time soon. They'll start to taper off mid 2010.
 
So the high end of the 775 line, q9550, 9650 etc, when do you guys think those will bottom in price, before production ends and prices go back up?

Prices are still dropping as we speak, so obviously they haven't all bottomed yet.
 
Varmint said:
So the high end of the 775 line, q9550, 9650 etc, when do you guys think those will bottom in price, before production ends and prices go back up?

Prices are still dropping as we speak, so obviously they haven't all bottomed yet.
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IIRC the Q6600 jsut went back UP at newegg another $20-$30. the only CPU's dropping are the Q9xxx series processors.

for instance micro center about a month ago had an Intel Q9300 for sale for $179. i noticed the website said they had one left, so i called and put it on hold.

within two days of my purchasing that last Q9300, the next paper i got from micro center stated the Q9400 was now on sale for $179.
And the Q9300 NEVER came back in stock again, even to this day (2 months later).

$179 is probably the lowest you will see for a Q9xxx processor that is brand new. the Q6600's are going back up in price, and the newer batches don't OC nearly as well, probably because intel is pretty much done with 65nm. I'm sure they're probably using the crappily binned chips at this point as well.


oh, if anyone is interested:

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0301968
 
I wonder if nVidia would be making anymore chipsets for the LGA 775 (since they can't get a i7 license).
 
lucky777 said:
I wonder if nVidia would be making anymore chipsets for the LGA 775 (since they can't get a i7 license).
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probably not. the fastest cpu you can get is a qx9650... which is still a decent amount slower than an i7, and costs mountains at the same time. it's a dead end platform.

but hey, I love my P45 :D
 
You can still get the QX9770, but who wants to spend $900+ on that thing?
 
AmongTheChosenX said:
$179 is probably the lowest you will see for a Q9xxx processor that is brand new. the Q6600's are going back up in price, and the newer batches don't OC nearly as well, probably because intel is pretty much done with 65nm.
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Yeah, seems like only the newest CPUs are dropping, e5200, e7400, q9400 etc - everything else is increasing.

So will the q9550 or 9650 ever go to $180?
 
Varmint said:
Yeah, seems like only the newest CPUs are dropping, e5200, e7400, q9400 etc - everything else is increasing.

So will the q9550 or 9650 ever go to $180?
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i would say when the supply of Q9400's are Q9500's (do they exist???) are exhausted. then you'll see the 9550 around $200...

but thats gunna take months. by that time you're better off going for a newer stepping of Core i7 because it'll probably be lower as well.
 
In 18 months I can see 775 out of stores more or less with the odd board here and there. Look how long it has taken AGP to vanish?

Still 18 months is a long time in the PC world!
 
maleficarus said:
In 18 months I can see 775 out of stores more or less with the odd board here and there. Look how long it has taken AGP to vanish?

Still 18 months is a long time in the PC world!
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yeah it definitely is! Plus considering this socket ahs been around since 2004 (albeit certain chipsets could only take certain CPU's), thats quite a long run. wasn't socket 939 done in three years?
 
what future the only future Socket 775 has is its EOL date nothing new will come to 775
 
maxius said:
what future the only future Socket 775 has is its EOL date nothing new will come to 775
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Which I pointed out in the original post, so why are you repeating it? This is a thread about pricing, so troll somewhere else.
 
It might be AMD 939 all over again. Even when people are using i5 and i7, there will be handful of people who still wants to extend the life of their LGA 775 socket by buying the old quad cores.

I bought an AMD Opteron 165 dual core for $100 ish. A year and half later I sold it for $120 and upgraded to an e2160. A year and half later again, my friend just sold his Opteron 165 for $110 ish on ebay.
 
Ok, but now you're just talking private buy/sell which has nothing to do with retail availability and pricing.
 
DTN107 said:
It might be AMD 939 all over again. Even when people are using i5 and i7, there will be handful of people who still wants to extend the life of their LGA 775 socket by buying the old quad cores.

I bought an AMD Opteron 165 dual core for $100 ish. A year and half later I sold it for $120 and upgraded to an e2160. A year and half later again, my friend just sold his Opteron 165 for $110 ish on ebay.
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I did that too - i got 4 1/2 years out of my 939 system - had an A64 3000+ for two years, then got an Opteron 165 for $150 and used that for two 1/2 years. They usually go for like $60-80 though, some sucker paid $110. :)
 
Good thread. Maybe you can change the title (or ask a mod, don't know if you can in this forum) to something that reflects S775 cpu pricing (people are thinking its about the Socket itself)




AmongTheChosenX said:
IIRC the Q6600 jsut went back UP at newegg another $20-$30. the only CPU's dropping are the Q9xxx series processors.

for instance micro center about a month ago had an Intel Q9300 for sale for $179. i noticed the website said they had one left, so i called and put it on hold.

within two days of my purchasing that last Q9300, the next paper i got from micro center stated the Q9400 was now on sale for $179.
And the Q9300 NEVER came back in stock again, even to this day (2 months later).

$179 is probably the lowest you will see for a Q9xxx processor that is brand new. the Q6600's are going back up in price, and the newer batches don't OC nearly as well, probably because intel is pretty much done with 65nm. I'm sure they're probably using the crappily binned chips at this point as well.
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That seems about right. Q6600 used to be available for $150 every now and then last year. They are $180+ now. For those that don't know, Microcenter is the cpu pricing leader. Newegg doesn't even try anymore. Though Microcenter usually has only a few "loss leaders" (currently the E7400 and the Q9450) and the rest are comparable with other companies.

Another thing I have noticed is the Fry's cpu/mobo combos have not been very good lately. They used to sell cpu + ECS board for less than what Newegg wanted for just the cpu. I bought my E7200/board for $99 in Sep/Oct and they had it at that price a lot. Never seen an E7400/motherboard combo (at $99). Maybe it has something to do with them dropping ECS (for Biostar supposedly, a Fry's employee posted that he heard that)?



Varmint also made a comment on that he only see "new" cpus dropping in price. Thats what I notice also


and for anyone that wants to buy a S775 hoping that it will retain its value (or possibly even go up), I think that would only apply to the "top" cpus. Specifically, the Q9650 and the E8600 to a lesser extent.
 
needmorecarnitine said:
Good thread. Maybe you can change the title (or ask a mod, don't know if you can in this forum) to something that reflects S775 cpu pricing (people are thinking its about the Socket itself)






That seems about right. Q6600 used to be available for $150 every now and then last year. They are $180+ now. For those that don't know, Microcenter is the cpu pricing leader. Newegg doesn't even try anymore. Though Microcenter usually has only a few "loss leaders" (currently the E7400 and the Q9450) and the rest are comparable with other companies.

Another thing I have noticed is the Fry's cpu/mobo combos have not been very good lately. They used to sell cpu + ECS board for less than what Newegg wanted for just the cpu. I bought my E7200/board for $99 in Sep/Oct and they had it at that price a lot. Never seen an E7400/motherboard combo (at $99). Maybe it has something to do with them dropping ECS (for Biostar supposedly, a Fry's employee posted that he heard that)?



Varmint also made a comment on that he only see "new" cpus dropping in price. Thats what I notice also


and for anyone that wants to buy a S775 hoping that it will retain its value (or possibly even go up), I think that would only apply to the "top" cpus. Specifically, the Q9650 and the E8600 to a lesser extent.
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well if you want to retain value, you can buy a Q8200 or Q9400 and pray that the same thing that happened with socket 939 dual core price inflations happens to lga775...

though there are so many around at this point, i doubt it will happen. if i recall correctly the 939 X2 chips were out for a VERY short time before AM2 threw 939 off the map. dual core 775 cpu's ahve been around for about 3 years at this point. 775 chips hardly ever died (i've hardly read anything on someones dual core dying unless they purposly killed it or overclocked it ridiculously), so i'm sure there will be alot of them floating around for a long time even after 775 ahs reached its EOL.


now one thing that does concern me is the amount LGA775 BOARDS that will be floating around at the EOL of 775.
 
At this point Intel is happy to keep 775 alive a bit longer until it comes up with a mainstream chip within the i5/i7 family. What the prices will do depends on what Intel releases at that point. If it's similarly priced as the C2 chips, 775 is history, else it'll cling on for a bit longer.

In the case of Socket A to 754/939 there was a clear benefit to moving to the new chips, so Socket A got wiped out quite rapidly. The moment prices for the latter came down enough all Socket A chips and boards started vanishing.
 
920 @ $220 is mainstream enough compared to some c2q prices. Mainboard prices, on the other hand, are a totally different story
 
TehQuick said:
920 @ $220 is mainstream enough compared to some c2q prices. Mainboard prices, on the other hand, are a totally different story
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Then that's what most consumers are waiting for at this point :) I guess mainboard manufacturers like to put out only expensive boards for i7 at this point, as though it's some kind of 'premium' platform (which it kind of is, but still).

I'm kind of puzzled that Intel didn't immediately launch a whole range of chips for i5/i7, like AMD does with its new sockets. Everything from budget all the way up to bleeding edge. Perhaps it's just about the profit margin? Expensive chips, high margin?
 
Elledan said:
Then that's what most consumers are waiting for at this point :) I guess mainboard manufacturers like to put out only expensive boards for i7 at this point, as though it's some kind of 'premium' platform (which it kind of is, but still).

I'm kind of puzzled that Intel didn't immediately launch a whole range of chips for i5/i7, like AMD does with its new sockets. Everything from budget all the way up to bleeding edge. Perhaps it's just about the profit margin? Expensive chips, high margin?
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high margin yes, but it makes up no more than 3% of all CPU sales.
 
AmongTheChosenX said:
high margin yes, but it makes up no more than 3% of all CPU sales.
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All the more reason to keep it high margin. Intel specifically created two sockets for the i7 so they could differentiate the market and keep margins higher, they don't want the i7 to be a mainstream part which is why they only released the X58 chipset for it.
 
775 performance will still be pretty good further down the road, making it a good choice for 2nd box/htpc setups up until 2010-12, second-hand market is going to get dirt cheap, way better EOL than P4 crap ! As long as new GPU's fit into PCIE slot and don't saturate the bus might as well buy new GPU's and hang on to our CPU's especially since we're all supposedly in a recession :)
 
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