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It is up to the team now.
The actual amount of ppl who join the [H]ard|OCP WCG team is a good indicator... Another reason is that WCG is very similar to UD and from what I heard, King_N is working to add it on the site.
I hate to drag out history because it will show that I'm old.
But here's the historical background: it did not work like that before. Before when there was only FAH (to a small degree GAH also), people who wanted to "promote" UD got flamed, threads mentioning DC projects were locked in a hurry, and people were accused of "stealing people" and "causing rifts" in the team, etc. At the time FAH had a few problems (surprisingly enough they still have them, just not as frequent) and people wanted an alternative. After much effort and enduring bad times, the UD team was "officially" recognized so the animosity level went down. I'm not saying all people doing FAH were like that, but you just need a few and you would feel unwelcomed and outcast. So even the UD team became "official" (and thanks Kyle for mentioning it on the frontpage from time to time), the UD people are essentially beaten to the ground so much they have learned to STFU about mentioning the project that they were heavily involved in. We knew our place, so we only post sparingly in our milestone thread, and not creating too many new threads to avoid being labelled "aggressively recruiting away from the FAH team". We just go on about our own business and all that. There have already been people moving from UD to FAH already, so it's not like having a 2nd team for old UD people will be siphoning resources anyway.
I voted WCG as I felt the need to be counted, but missed the chance to post in that thread. I have to say I agree quite a bit what uzor said, especially his summary points.
I hate to drag out history because it will show that I'm old.
BTW, why do people just keep mention about older machines? I thought proxy/firewall issues also play a factor for some people doing UD? Looks like WCG will be the same deal so it definitely can accomodate some corporate borgs.
I believe some people just need to grow up and be a little tolerant on other projects. I'm ok with one "official" team, here are my suggestions:
- official means front page mention, stickied threads helping people in trouble, and most threads will be about the project
- by going unofficial, it just means the project won't get any front page pimpage, but people cannot flame about mentioning other projects and be bitchy about them; people who post and say "hey I find this new project which sounds interesting, come check it out" is not too harmful; of course, excessive promoting with 1000 threads need to be dealt with, so it will be a heavier burden on the mods
- will be nice if there is an official name if others want to set up a team to fold for the [H], so it will be along the lines of "you want DC? well, we highly recommend you to check out FAH, you will get a lot of support, but if you are interested in another project, remember to use [official team name] if you want to DC for the [H]
- regular (but not too frequent) reporting on other projects, along the lines of "hey, a while back I mentioned [this DC project], so I have tried over the past few months and it seemed ok, here are the things I have found..." should be totally acceptable. People who jump into the thread saying "how dare you try to recruit people from FAH! shame on you traitor! stfu" should be dealt with swiftly.
People come and people go. If not for another project there will be another reason. The main thing is that they are doing worthwhile things with their cycles, and recruiting new members on any team should never stop. I believe our FAH team is large+strong enough for people to check out other things, and can still grow and be better than ever. If we can do that, I can go on to do WCG without fear of being shut out, and I'll learn my place to not mention the "unofficial" project every day.
That seemed to have been decided with the poll. The direction is one official team in FAH. That's why I posted, basically accepting the results, but suggesting that there will be enough people who want to do another project that we need to act differently from before. And that's where the history lesson comes in.
While we need to bury that past where the bitching and flaming happened, we do need to remember what happened. Again the cliché goes, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.", especially with the newer people who did not know what happened. I did say I don't like pulling the history out but sometimes we do need to be reminded before we went down the same path again.
That's fine, but that needs to be allowed to exist in the first place. The past attitude of you are with us or against us needs to go, pronto. That is what tore us apart in the past, and that was why some have left. If we want to do better this time, something has to change.
If making people feel welcome here is the new motto, then "we highly recommend FAH, but should you want to check out other projects, you are ok to do so although you may be on your own, and btw, use [official team name] should you decide to DC for the [H]orde" needs to be etched in stone as a cardinal rule. Preferably in big letters in a top sticky.My goals are simple, we keep on folding, we take care of those who wont or cant. We continue to keep this forum a fun place to hang out and welcome the new folk keep the old folk and last but not least we stop being an embarrassment to ourselves when guests do come in.
People from UD who can or will FAH have already switched (example: Anderu), so the FAH team is already getting stronger. I just don't see a problem if the remaining ones who can't or won't just go to another project in the name of [H]. I personally think this is fine, whether or not there is official support it doesn't really matter, as long as we don't get shouted at of course.
In the past, even the mentioning of a 2nd project will get you the lock stick, massive flaming, labelling as "negative influence", plus a few other bad things.
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Actually, it is quite clear, except for one minor detail.
In the past, even the mentioning of a 2nd project will get you the lock stick, massive flaming, labelling as "negative influence", plus a few other bad things.
What I would like is that regardless of a 2nd "official" project or not, we need to be more tolerant of someone even just touching on some other DC projects. I suggest putting this as a cardinal rule. It's all I ask.
It's amazing that even to this day, some still seem to thing UD (to me at least, I could be reading it wrong
For the record, I have started WCG for the [H] on one machine. I don't care whether WCG gets the "official" status or not. But what I care is that I can at least openly talk about it, instead of 15000 people jumping in and stone me to death.
So how about: "one team, one official project, anything else you are on your own, but we won't stop you"?
If by that you mean Just do it then yes.
Regardless of why people come to our team in the end the ones that stay do so from their hearts. That is what makes this team different and great and that is what will keep driving us forward.
Forward we go ..
You would have won the hearts of Nike with your comments and your well placed catch phrase
Myself, I totally agree with BillR and just do what we think is good then everyone is free to join the bandwagon or not since waiting for it to roll would cause more grievance than good.
Crunch together for the cure (I picked this word to encompass the various DC projects)