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So much for BD+

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InorganicMatter

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http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=9453

Best channel log ever:

* New (Blu-ray): AnyDVD ripper copies BD+ titles
* New (Blu-ray): Removed "BD+ not supported" warning, as all available BD+ titles can be copied with AnyDVD ripper, or can be watched on HTPC without HDCP using PowerDVD 3104 and AnyDVD. Reports indicate, that burned BD+ titles work on PS3 and standalone players as well.
* Note to Twentieth Century Fox: As you can see, BD+ didn't offer you any advanced security, it just annoyed some of your customers with older players. So could you please cut this crap and start publishing your titles on HD DVD? There are thousands of people willing to give you money.
* Note to people considering to invest in HD media: Please buy HD DVD instead of Blu-ray. HD DVD is much more consumer friendly (e.g., no region coding, AACS not mandatory). Don't give your money to people, who throw your fair-use rights out of the window.
* New (HD DVD & Blu-ray): Support for more MKBv4 titles
* Some minor fixes and improvements
* Updated languages
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LOL! :D
 
Yeah I got a big kick out of the whole 'Omg it wont be cracked for 10+ years' line.

Anyway, I agree with the quote, support HDDVD.

However, I do disagree with the quote saying you need PowerDVD 3104 AND AnyDVD to watch a cracked BD+.. You need only PowerDVD3104.
 
pwned. :p

But Slysoft has had it right from the start. They're one of the first people I researched into before making my purchasing between HD DVD or Blu-ray. A combo player would be nice, but I still can't justify purchasing BR titles with the way they have been sticking it to the average consumer. HD DVD got it right when they made their standard. As a result we are seeing more and more people starting to buy into HD DVD. The market share gap is slowly closing, and the lower prices are helping considerably.
 
blue ray the better disk. but horrible restrictions.. ... good thing i have bad eyesight/ don't care the differance between normal HD and anything past.. all looks like a picture to me :p
 
Oh well of course. That makes things simple. I feel relieved that is out of the way. :p:D
 
Now heres the thing between BluRay and HDDVD. All protection methods and region encoding (or lack-there-of) aside.

BD plain and simple has room for more data. The biggest difference this is going to make is going to be the difference between audio tracks. A BluRay is much more likely to recieve a LPCM track along with DTS-HD and Dolby's HD audio. This is simply due to the size differences.

HDDVD on the otherhand has less data capacity, but has Picture in Picture. Though I believe BluRay is supposed to get this as well.

I guess even though I said its all with protection methods and region encoding set aside.. they still play a major role. Many early adopters of bluray are just getting screwed over because of Sonys content protection methods. It becomes more and more clear with each passing day that Sony would much rather f*** the customer, and lose out on that many more customers and have a secure disc as opposed to having a not-so secure disc and a much larger customer base.

As much as I hate to say it. Some people say that BluRay will take the cake due to how easy it is for you to go to a store, buy a BluRay burner, and blank BluRay discs (lets ignore the astronomical price for now.) It is reasons like this that many people attribute to the reason DVD's took off so well.

I guess if I had my way. I would have the lack of protection that HDDVDs have, and the data capacity slash consumer readiness for personal burning all on one format of media.

Hopefully soon the market stabilizies, and combo format players become the way of the future. That or one of the two bites the bullet and the other format carries on. And let's hope for the consumers sake that it is BluRay. Should the average consumer (Im referring to the non-techie) decides that BluRay is the disc to have, I will be one sad panda. The day that the average consumer throws their rights out of the window just to conform to what a corporation says things should be will be a sad sad day in the world of techies.

I think someone said it best when Sony complains about all the piracy that runs rampant in the world, yet Sony is one of the pioneers and also one of the companies out there continuously pushing MP3 players, CD/DVD burners, etc. So for a company pushing all the hardware built and designed for pirating, they sure are adamant about stopping it.

Granted yes, there probably are one or two people out there who actually use their CD/DVD Burners SOLEY for backup purposes. But for every 1 person like that, there are 1000's using the devices for pirating.
 
Sorry, the data capacity argument went out the window when both formats started using AVC and TrueHD. You can cram a perfect 1080p HD movie into 15GB using those technologies. Capacity is a non issue.

The high media price and low hard drive prices also kills the backup argument. A 1TB external USB drive goes for $200. Try to get a burner and 1TB of media for that much. :p
 
endfro said:
That or one of the two bites the bullet and the other format carries on. And let's hope for the consumers sake that it is BluRay. Should the average consumer (Im referring to the non-techie) decides that BluRay is the disc to have, I will be one sad panda.
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I'm confused about what you are saying. Do you want BluRay to win or not? I'm going to assume you mean to say HDDVD hopefully wins because it is obviously the most consumer friendly format.
 
endfro said:
Granted yes, there probably are one or two people out there who actually use their CD/DVD Burners SOLEY for backup purposes. But for every 1 person like that, there are 1000's using the devices for pirating.
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I use my dvd burner soley for backup purposes, as i will with my future HD-DVD burner, after it officially wins the format war that is.




:D :p :D
 
InorganicMatter said:
Sorry, the data capacity argument went out the window when both formats started using AVC and TrueHD. You can cram a perfect 1080p HD movie into 15GB using those technologies. Capacity is a non issue.

The high media price and low hard drive prices also kills the backup argument. A 1TB external USB drive goes for $200. Try to get a burner and 1TB of media for that much. :p
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Longer movies with more action scenes do require a little more space, say up to or around 30GB for a movie. The main reason the Blu-ray 50GB disk was created was for the MPEG2 inefficient codec for the earlier BR movies so they could fit them on a disk. But because of the aperture of the laser in Blu-ray, many players have trouble reading past the ~43GB mark. Now many of your BR movies that are on a 50GB disk are only ~25GB or so, but have many extras. Also, some of the BR movies use higher bitrates in unnecessary applications. After a certain point using an efficient codec such as AVC or VC-1, the difference is unnoticeable unless you were at 200% zoom on a 100'' screen. I'd rather have my main movie on a 25GB Blu-ray or 30GB HD DVD disk and the extras on a separate disk anyhow. With HD DVD's, it costs them around the same amount to manufacture as DVD's, so a dual disk package is no big deal. Plus as a consumer, you feel you are getting more for your money.
 
endfro said:
I think someone said it best when Sony complains about all the piracy that runs rampant in the world, yet Sony is one of the pioneers and also one of the companies out there continuously pushing MP3 players, CD/DVD burners, etc. So for a company pushing all the hardware built and designed for pirating, they sure are adamant about stopping it.
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Remember, though, that Sony is a very large company with many different divisions. I've heard (though I can't back it up) that the music- and movie-publishing side of Sony has more influence than the hardware side of Sony, which is why many of Sony's personal electronics devices haven't been particularly desirable because of DRM.

I remember they had an MP3 device that required its own software to put music on the player, even though it showed up as a mass storage device when plugged in. Why? Because the software obfuscated/mucked with the MP3 header info, and the device wouldn't play any files that didn't have the altered files. And those files, although they contained the same data as before, were unplayable in a normal media player. And it turned out that the engineers were forced to put this functionality in because of fears of piracy.

It would appear that the media divisions of Sony are still firmly at the helm.
 
BD+, what a joke. Why do companies still think they can completely secure anything? (Especially at the cost of the consumer) Most consumers aren't stupid and aren't going to buy into this heavy protection bullshit. This is the exactly why drm-free mp3's are outselling the drm versions by such a wide margin.
 
I dunno...I kinda hope that BR sticks around, even if only for the data storage aspect. I haven't heard much/anything about HD-DVD burners (if there's even a user-writable thing), but thinking about downloading those huge, but very nice looking 720p/1080p DTV caps, that are ~3gb a pop, makes it very impractical to store very many of 'em. You could probably fit a season on two BD-R's though.

Right now I just download the HDTV and regular 350MB XviD version, and delete the HDTV one after watching it.

I really don't know why anyone with the power to do so hasn't had most of Sony's upper management shot yet?
 
movax said:
I dunno...I kinda hope that BR sticks around, even if only for the data storage aspect. I haven't heard much/anything about HD-DVD burners (if there's even a user-writable thing), but thinking about downloading those huge, but very nice looking 720p/1080p DTV caps, that are ~3gb a pop, makes it very impractical to store very many of 'em. You could probably fit a season on two BD-R's though.

Right now I just download the HDTV and regular 350MB XviD version, and delete the HDTV one after watching it.
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The math doesn't work. Say we want to backup 500GB of your TV shows:

Blu-Ray Backups: $400 burner + $100 media = $500
External hard drive: $120

Not to mention the convenience and speed an external drive offers over writable media. Optical media had its day, but it's over, and the dawn of cheap magnetic storage began a long time ago. Backing up to discs is soooo 90s.
 
InorganicMatter said:
The math doesn't work. Say we want to backup 500GB of your TV shows:

Blu-Ray Backups: $400 burner + $100 media = $500
External hard drive: $120

Not to mention the convenience and speed an external drive offers over writable media. Optical media had its day, but it's over, and the dawn of cheap magnetic storage began a long time ago. Backing up to discs is soooo 90s.
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QFT. All of my HD-DVD are being backed up to hard disk.

Another factor is the sound issue. Optical drives are much noisier than hard drives. (At least my HD-DVD drive is much louder than my hard disks.)

Internal drives are even cheaper, and can be less prone to data loss than external hard drives or optical media (scratches.)
 
Well, the only thing is, even at this point in time I only back up my data to optical disks as a last resort. Currently I store almost everything I own on my hard drives. When I run out of room I burn the old junk to dual layer DVD's and archive it, usually to just throw it in the CD binder and never touch it again for quite a while. Hard drives are just so much cheaper and more practical in terms of storage capacity, performance, and data integrity.
 
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