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So I got a 5080....

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I ordered a prebuilt from a deal on Costco- MSI Ageis with a 5080. Super clean build wtih some minuses - Like the Mobo only has 2 memory slots! That aside it is a Ryzen 9900x 32 gb ddr 5 6000 and 2 tb drive.

I play Marvel Rivals on a 4k oled LG monitor. My old rig is a 7800x3d with a 7900xt. I am seriously considering returning the MSI to Costco. I am not sure what I was expecting but the 5080 is not a generational shift from the 7900xt. At Ultra settings it is probably 20-30 fps faster than my old 7900xt. That feels.... disappointing. I am questioning why I spent almost 3000 dollars for 20-30 fps lol.

Am I missing something?
 
I'm not sure what you were expecting. At 4K, 20-30FPS is a lot in many games. It's also probably twice as fast at ray tracing as the 7900XT is. That said, excluding the 5090, there isn't a huge difference between this generation of GPU's and their predecessors. 10% in a lot of cases. In terms of raw framerates the 7900XT is actually faster in many cases than the 9070XT is. Though the latter excels in other ways.
 
Well for starters, your 7800X3D is a faster gaming CPU than the 9900X and you're playing essentially an eSports title even at 4K it isn't a very demanding game so your CPU is going to matter in that instance. If you want to see the real difference in GPUs play a more demanding title like Alan Wake 2 or Indiana Jones and you will see just how much faster the new card is. Also as pointed out above 20-30fps at 4K is a good chunk faster. Try putting your RTX 5080 in the system with the 7800X3D so you can get a real apples to apples comparison for you in the same system.
 
Oh I understand the differences. It's just the real world experience. I play Rivals and Diablo 4 not huge GPU pushers. I think I just go caught up in the 5XXX craze. Then I get it and go ...meh. that 20-30 fps is really just from 90-100 ish on the 7900xt to 120ish on the 5080. I don't know what I expected..I was just underwhelmed for almost 3K I expected more I guess.
 
groebuck said:
Oh I understand the differences. It's just the real world experience. I play Rivals and Diablo 4 not huge GPU pushers. I think I just go caught up in the 5XXX craze. Then I get it and go ...meh. that 20-30 fps is really just from 90-100 ish on the 7900xt to 120ish on the 5080. I don't know what I expected..I was just underwhelmed for almost 3K I expected more I guess.
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In most those cases, you would not notice if not knowing what GPU thats rendering the game. But, try to have some fun with it, having something new and shiny. :)

I would suggest you activate RTX HDR in the Nvidia app and tune Diablo 4. With an LG Oled, HDR is worth using. RTX HDR is pretty decent and could make Diablo 4 look much better.
 
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groebuck said:
yeah I could....I am just getting buyers remorse and feeling like 2600 is a lot to spend for not much gain - maybe I am losing my H edge lol
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I know the feeling. :p

Buyers remorse is something I think we all have had. Its not always a night and day difference, but can still be fun to play with new hardware! Try to enjoy it first and then make up your mind later. :)
 
I still cannot get over the two ram slots....it's not even a matx board lol.
 
The biggest scam (apart from GPUs obviously) this generation is the high end x870E mobos, they are literally repackaged x670Es that go for half the price and almost all have 4 DIMM slots. And a 5080 is a 4080 Ti at best which was the same generation as a 7900xt, outside of RT/DLSS your gains will be very limited.
 
groebuck said:
I ordered a prebuilt from a deal on Costco- MSI Ageis with a 5080. Super clean build wtih some minuses - Like the Mobo only has 2 memory slots! That aside it is a Ryzen 9900x 32 gb ddr 5 6000 and 2 tb drive.

I play Marvel Rivals on a 4k oled LG monitor. My old rig is a 7800x3d with a 7900xt. I am seriously considering returning the MSI to Costco. I am not sure what I was expecting but the 5080 is not a generational shift from the 7900xt. At Ultra settings it is probably 20-30 fps faster than my old 7900xt. That feels.... disappointing. I am questioning why I spent almost 3000 dollars for 20-30 fps lol.

Am I missing something?
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Sounds like you are experiencing about that the uplift is. 5080 was disappointing this round, almost all reviews say this especially coming from a decent card like a 7900xt.
 
Dreamerbydesign said:
Sounds like you are experiencing about that the uplift is. 5080 was disappointing this round, almost all reviews say this especially coming from a decent card like a 7900xt.
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Yes that. The worst part is it seems Nvidia has crashing issues with Marvel Rivals. I crashed 2-3 times in it last night. Never crash with my 7900zt system.
 
Sadly I'm with everyone else, that's probably about right for the
And as stated above you have almost certainly regressed badly on your CPU. The pre built 6000 ram probably is not cl28 or even cl30 and there's almost no way the MB is set well.

So you aren't getting the 5-10% from the x3d, and you aren't getting the 5% plus from proper memory and motherboard, and depending on the 5080 they used and what vbios they use on prebuilts it could be factory clocks which could put it 5% under the aftermarket OC models.

The point here isn't to depress you, it's to show how quick the relative performance will drop back into range of your 7900xt and 7800x3d with the parts and setup they chose. None of those parts are helping it pull away from your old rig.

You really should run a couple synthetic benchmarks on each machine for a general idea then make a decision on returning the new one.

Personally, I wouldn't ever give up a 7800x3d for a 9900x on a brebuilt mobo... Even if it did come with a 5080.

Suggestion: return the comp. Shop hard for a $1300 or better 5080. Put it in you old comp
With the 7800x3d. Sell the 7900xt for a lot of money.

Youll have the same end result or better for about $700-800.
 
If that's all you play then yes a 5080 doesn't make sense. Also don't buy a pre-built. You are better off getting a 5080 and many have been in stock for hours lately.
 
hmm my local MC has 8 but they are 1650 dollars. if I add in the parts - it is more expensive to build
 
20-30 fps at 4k could be a "lot" in frametime difference, do you have about the expected results ?

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~40% ?

It is a lot of money for what is mostly a side grade system wise, depending of the price you paid a costco and if you are willing to get into the trouble to get a good price for your 7800x3d-7900xt, maybe it is a good deal to keep it, maybe not, hard to say if you are missing something with the raw fps numbers, 20-30 fps would be expected I think.

Rival is one of the best implementation of Multiframe gen and DLSS 4 around apparently, so if you have a high fps 4k monitor you could try it and if you do not like it on that title that would be a good indication you are not missing much.
 
Worth a shot - I swapped out the 9900x with my nephew's 9800x3d and cl30 ddr5 6000 to see if it made any huge improvement - also installed afterburner (why that was not installed on an MSI built system, I have no idea). I will say on my 7800xd 7900xt system at Ultra settings, I get much better than 47 fps.. but running 9800x3d/ddt 5 cl 30 6000 and the 5080 with a better fan tune curve to keep it at 135f...I stll peaked out at just about 100fps solid. My 7800x3d/9700xt does about 75ish. I have 90 days to return it so I will continue to experiement - but my nephew wants his good shit back lol
 
groebuck said:
Am I missing something?
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Yes. This is [H]. Build your own ;)

On a more serious note, I understand your frustration. I'm running a 9800x3D and 3090 under water, and as bad as I want to upgrade for upgrade's sake, I just can't quite bring myself to spend the money for the moderate improvement of the 5080 and the price of the 5090 is just too high. It's not that I can't afford it, it just doesn't seem worth it. I'm still running a 1440p ultrawide and getting 90+ frames in most games I care about.
 
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Yes that. The worst part is it seems Nvidia has crashing issues with Marvel Rivals. I crashed 2-3 times in it last night. Never crash with my 7900zt system.
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Nvidia is struggling right now with drivers. 7900xt has mature drivers as it should by now. The 50 series has been panned so far as a flop from everything I’ve seen in the last month. Sure they sell because “I gotta have my nnnvidiaaa” people exist, but it’s been universally reviewed as a bad value and poorly reported on.
 
Azzkiker said:
Yes. This is [H]. Build your own ;)

On a more serious note, I understand your frustration. I'm running a 9800x3D and 3090 under water, and as bad as I want to upgrade for upgrade's sake, I just can't quite bring myself to spend the money for the moderate improvement of the 5080 and the price of the 5090 is just too high. It's not that I can't afford it, it just doesn't seem worth it. I'm still running a 1440p ultrawide and getting 90+ frames in most games I care about.
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Well, 3090s are selling for $1000 on ebay right now. I'd take that back in my pocket and just get a 5070 Ti or 9070 XT both of which are faste, pocket the extra money and check again in a year or two.

Honestly, while I might feel bad for a day or two about giving up the 22GB VRAM, both those card are faster.

That card is 5 years old. I would take 1K and just replace it with anything new. Let some other crazy person take on a 5 year old video card for that money.
 
Yeah I am beginning to think I should return it and buy the parts to put together a top fo the line system around my 7900xt.
 
Just like to add, almost all 5080 can overclock very very well and get very close to 4090 speeds. So you can get even more FPS, specially for 4k?
 
groebuck said:
hmm my local MC has 8 but they are 1650 dollars. if I add in the parts - it is more expensive to build
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Ok I didn't know the current prices. These tariffs have made the market even more volatile than what scalping did.
 
There's a discord channel I was put on to a long time ago, cards are still popping up in the $1300 range daily, but they are creeping up.

This MSI card is available tonight... It's been in stock for about an hour now, it'll probably be gone soon:
https://www.newegg.com/msi-rtx-5080...-gddr7/p/N82E16814137914?Item=N82E16814137914


Am I allowed to post a discord link that tracks card prices here? I don't want to break any rules on that.

Option B is to just get a 9070XT and save $500+. Is there really $500 worth of RT and performance advantage with the 5080? Personally I don't think so.
 
OP if I were you I would return the system. You're previous system was nice and strong save that $2600 and spend it on anything else like a vacation with your family or just save it in the bank because it surely isn't worth 20 or more fps. You can tweak the shadows and the foliage in rivals and get similar games lol. That feeling in your gut that you overspent for the hype of a few fps is true. Get your money back.
 
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Yeah, kind of sad that five years later the onlly card that is really worth upgrading to is 3x the cost of the pc lol.
 
Yeah, I dunno why you even replaced that 7800X3D system with a non-X3D system for gaming, and spent almost twice as much on that whole rig than you would have buying a 5080 by itself even at their current ~$1400 I've been seeing them go for and installing it in your previous system. Then you can still upgrade that to a 9800X3D for the negligible improvement at 4K later if you want to throw more money at it for whatever reason.

I'd return that new pre-built for sure and do the above. 5080s are pretty readily available now.
 
5080 in many cases is slightly slower compared to the last-gen 4080... Not sure what you were expecting.
 
Mchart said:
5080 in many cases is slightly slower compared to the last-gen 4080... Not sure what you were expecting.
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What cases would those be? Every review I've seen says 5080 is 5% or so faster across the board compared to a 4080.
 
Mchart said:
5080 in many cases is slightly slower compared to the last-gen 4080... Not sure what you were expecting.
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I don't recall seeing any cases where a 5080 was slower than the 4080 or 4080 Super. However, the uplift is small at around 10-12% max as I recall. That's certainly not worth upgrading to given the cost increase. However, if you are on an older card such as something from the 20 or 30 series, the 5080 isn't a bad choice.
 
Dan_D said:
I don't recall seeing any cases where a 5080 was slower than the 4080 or 4080 Super. However, the uplift is small at around 10-12% max as I recall. That's certainly not worth upgrading to given the cost increase. However, if you are on an older card such as something from the 20 or 30 series, the 5080 isn't a bad choice.
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RT scenarios it's faster, but raster heavy like AC, etc it's actually slightly slower or at best the same. Granted, I really only look at Guru3d benchmarks these days because I'm lazy, but that's what I see from them.

Of course, who knows, the 5000 series might be faster now with the recent driver releases.

I agree it's not a bad card if you weren't on the 4000 series cards, but still, you'd think the 'latest gen' 80 series card from Nvidia would be substantially faster between generations, not the same. It's pretty lame. The 5080 should be 4090 performance levels in a normal world. Helps out 4080 owners though, at least that card is remaining relevant far longer than it should have.
 
Brackle said:
You do go back once your realize how bad the framerate is lol.
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Most games don't implement enough ray tracing features to significantly impact performance. Cyberpunk 2077 being one of the few that does. But it makes the most of it and provides the biggest visual uplift of any game I've played so far.
 
Dan_D said:
Most games don't implement enough ray tracing features to significantly impact performance. Cyberpunk 2077 being one of the few that does. But it makes the most of it and provides the biggest visual uplift of any game I've played so far.
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Sure in SP games if you dont really care about framerate. If you playing any type of FPS or competitive game, you turn it off.

Even with my 4090 i tend to lean toward getting as high frames on my 240hz 4k over using RT.
 
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