So I decided to try WoW...

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TheToE!

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So I got bored and figured I would see what all this WoW fuss was about. Anybody from [H] still play? I know at one time their was a group. I just started playing and I am low level.

On a side note :
Why the hell dont people group up when questing in WoW? I was doing a quest to kill x amount of mob, there was another guy by himself killing same mob. I invited him, he told me to piss off. He was doing the same freaking quest! We could have both finished it in half the time! This has happend twice now. Whats up with that?

If any [H] guys are in a laid back guild, please hook a brother up! Doing quests solo begging for help sucks!
 
The reason people don't group up is because often times a second slows you down. I am significantly faster if I don't have someone holding me back.
 
Vashypooh said:
The reason people don't group up is because often times a second slows you down. I am significantly faster if I don't have someone holding me back.
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QFT, group-friendly quests (like kill X amount of Y) go by much faster, but for quests that require you to have X amount of a quest item in your inventory, you'll need to stick around longer than you should to complete it.
 
TheToE! said:
So I got bored and figured I would see what all this WoW fuss was about.
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STOP!!!! STOP NOW!!!!!

Why you ask...

You kill, you get crap, you level.....rinse repeat 1000000 TIMES!!!!! = BORED OUT OF YOUR FREAKIN MIND

STOP!!!! STOP NOW WHILE YOU ARE STILL HUMAN!!!!!

Dont say I didnt warn ya.....
 
it sucks for you because you're new and nobody wants to join up for the reasons people above mentioned. But the thing to remember is, most likely, the player you try to group with is a old timer just working on an alt. They've seen it all a million times and are just trying to level not "have fun."

It kind of sucks but thats the way it is when the game is as mature as it is. Also, if you get in a guild dont automatically assume you'll have quest help for all your lowbie quests. People dont generally care about the early game these days. Try to ask first about how the guild feels about low level content before you join.

WoW is a fucking fantastic game and you will probably love it if you stick out the lonlyness you'll experience in the lowbie levels. I haven't played in several months for various reasons but I played for 3 years before I stopped. Dont give it up because people seem cold at the low levels.

Here are some tips to have more fun:

1. dont try to complete every quest you get. It will be annoying and you dont have to. Most quests are fun and thats cool, but if you get bored on a quest, or the mobs dont seem to be dropping what you need, just say fuck it and move on. There are about 2-3 times as many quests as you need at any given level to level up so there is no reason to do them all.

2. Try to get some RL friends to play with you. This makes all the difference until you can level up and join the rest of the player base.

3. Play Horde. I've leveled 70s on both sides on a few different servers (both pve and pvp) and I've found that in general Alliance are less mature and less likely to help out a lowbie.

4. Pick a random high level guy in a city and send him a polite tell asking for 2-3 gold to get you started. Most people will tell you to fuck off, but someone will hook you up, and its really helpfull. When you get the gold, go to the auction house (it'll be in the main city) and buy some bags so you dont have to return to the vendors so much.

5. I recommend PvP servers. Yeah, you'll get ganked and whatnot, but its worth it when you're high level. PvP is way funner than PvE IMO. If you get ganked hardcore just move to a different zone to quest. At any given level there is usually multiple places you can go to do quests, dont just take the camping and get all pissed off. At the same time, feel free to kill anyone on the opposite faction but dont be a douche and camp them.

6. You can try a role playing server if you want. You'll be more likely to find people to group with at low levels. I've never played this but I thought it might help.

7. Most important, dont obsess about your class and read all the forums and shit. You'll just experience heartache when they nurf your class and buff classes that you have a hard time with in PvP. Its better to not know every little detail and just have fun instead. I used to primarlly play a mage and I'd get all worked up every time the class got fucked. Looking back, I would have had more fun if I'd just gone with the flow (excpet the old CS on the Global Cooldown nurf, fuck that, glad they eventually reversed it).

Good luck man, you'll be 70 before you know it.
 
elchorizo said:
Good luck man, you'll be 70 before you know it.
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Not to mention a year older too.

I will say this for WoW, its a damn pretty game. Very vibrant colors and "most" bugs have been squished out.

The rest though.....

Just as I said above your post...

You kill, you get crap, you level....rinse repeat.....UN-ENDINGLY

3 years experience myself too...
 
SAW said:
Not to mention a year older too.

I will say this for WoW, its a damn pretty game. Very vibrant colors and "most" bugs have been squished out.

The rest though.....

Just as I said above your post...

You kill, you get crap, you level....rinse repeat.....UN-ENDINGLY

3 years experience myself too...
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You're right of course, but wasn't it fun? Thats the point IMO. Yeah, in the end its just virtual shit and you don't have anything to show for it, but I dont feel my time was wasted. I had many fun times and made a lot of friends. When you go on vacation what do you come back with? Memories of a good time, just like WoW. Neither are wasted time.
 
SAW said:
Not to mention a year older too.

I will say this for WoW, its a damn pretty game. Very vibrant colors and "most" bugs have been squished out.

The rest though.....

Just as I said above your post...

You kill, you get crap, you level....rinse repeat.....UN-ENDINGLY

3 years experience myself too...
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If you played the game for three years, it must have done something right.

I've played for a little over a year now and I'm still having fun, especially with the expansion pack.
 
I agree with some of these points, but would like to offer counter-points to the OP.

elchorizo said:
it sucks for you because you're new and nobody wants to join up for the reasons people above mentioned. But the thing to remember is, most likely, the player you try to group with is a old timer just working on an alt. They've seen it all a million times and are just trying to level not "have fun."
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Sometimes this is true, sometimes it isn't. I almost always try to invite other players to group when doing quests in an area where mobs are contested for credit (kill X number of mobs). Not because it makes it go faster for me, but why fight over limited spawns when you can both get credit for it. But as was mentioned elsewhere, quests that are "collect X items" can be a pain in the ass when you're in a group. If you manage to find yourself in that kind of situation and get lucky on drops, the polite thing to do is stay and help until everyone has their drops. Too many times, I've invited someone to a collect 10 widgets quest and had them get all their drops then just leave while I'm still trying to get one or two more. Politeness goes a LONG way in an MMO, and WoW is no exception.

elchorizo said:
It kind of sucks but thats the way it is when the game is as mature as it is. Also, if you get in a guild dont automatically assume you'll have quest help for all your lowbie quests. People dont generally care about the early game these days. Try to ask first about how the guild feels about low level content before you join.
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Don't just join the first guild that comes along. A good guild will make the game absolutely a different experience for you. A bad guild will make you hate the game.

elchorizo said:
WoW is a fucking fantastic game and you will probably love it if you stick out the lonlyness you'll experience in the lowbie levels. I haven't played in several months for various reasons but I played for 3 years before I stopped. Dont give it up because people seem cold at the low levels.
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I have been playing since closed beta. WoW is a fantastic game. I take time away for other games from time to time, but it has held my attention for a long time. The biggest piece of advice I can give you about WoW is this: The game is not a race. Don't rush through the content. Explore, enjoy, experience. From level 1 to max level, there is so much stuff to do and see you could easily spend a year just looking around. Once you hit max level though, there isn't very much left to do except start an alt, run raids, or compete in the arena or battlegrounds (more on this later).

elchorizo said:
Here are some tips to have more fun:
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1. dont try to complete every quest you get. It will be annoying and you dont have to. Most quests are fun and thats cool, but if you get bored on a quest, or the mobs dont seem to be dropping what you need, just say fuck it and move on. There are about 2-3 times as many quests as you need at any given level to level up so there is no reason to do them all.[/quote]
This is completely true. If a quest is boring, or just not what you're interested in right now, don't do it.

elchorizo said:
2. Try to get some RL friends to play with you. This makes all the difference until you can level up and join the rest of the player base.
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I think this is the point of your post, trying to see if any [H] people are still playing. A good group of friends, RL or otherwise, will completely change your game experience.

elchorizo said:
3. Play Horde. I've leveled 70s on both sides on a few different servers (both pve and pvp) and I've found that in general Alliance are less mature and less likely to help out a lowbie.
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I agree with this, but not necessarily for the same reason. Horde does tend to be more mature in my experience, but that isn't always the case. However, in the early game, Horde has a lot of in-game advantages over Alliance due to flight path locations, quest hubs, etc. For the lower level new player, Horde is a better progression.

elchorizo said:
4. Pick a random high level guy in a city and send him a polite tell asking for 2-3 gold to get you started. Most people will tell you to fuck off, but someone will hook you up, and its really helpfull. When you get the gold, go to the auction house (it'll be in the main city) and buy some bags so you dont have to return to the vendors so much.
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I disagree with this. Begging for money is a bad way to start and more often than not will be met with hostile responses. Instead of asking for money, explain that you are new to the game and are interested in any suggestions someone can offer on your particular class. If you pick a druid, ask a druid about talents or gear. Ask them about good locations to quest, or where to find a particular npc. If you find the right person this way, you will probably get gear, bags, coin, etc because you are expressing an interest in the game and not just asking for a handout. Information is worth more than a few gold. Ask for information and be happy if you get something extra.

Pick up a gathering tradeskill like herbalism, mining or skinning and sell your collectibles on the auction house. With the new expansion out, people are making inscriptionists and need a lot of herbs. You could make a lot of money in a hurry by picking up herbalism and selling all your lowbie herbs. That well won't last forever though.

elchorizo said:
5. I recommend PvP servers. Yeah, you'll get ganked and whatnot, but its worth it when you're high level. PvP is way funner than PvE IMO. If you get ganked hardcore just move to a different zone to quest. At any given level there is usually multiple places you can go to do quests, dont just take the camping and get all pissed off. At the same time, feel free to kill anyone on the opposite faction but dont be a douche and camp them.
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This is another point I disagree with. PvP servers are not the right place for a first time player. First, learn to play the game, learn the quests, the zones, the classes (what you can do and what others can do). Once you have a good working knowledge of how things work you can consider a PvP server. That being said, there is absolutely NO point in playing on a PvP server. World PvP offers not a single thing in exchange for the hassle of putting up with asshats and idiots. You get no experience, no coin, no loot, no reputation, not a single thing for participating in World PvP. The only PvP activities that offer anything of value are battlegrounds or arenas, or the rare world PvP objectives. But you can do all of those things on a non-PvP server just as easily as you can on a PvP server. PvP on PvP servers in most cases equates to some level 70 (or higher now) player hanging out in a level 20-30 zone killing quest NPCs and players that have no chance to defend themselves, and then sitting on their corpses.

elchorizo said:
6. You can try a role playing server if you want. You'll be more likely to find people to group with at low levels. I've never played this but I thought it might help.
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I play only on RP servers. Don't fall into the trap that people on RP servers will expect you to talk like an orc or gnome all the time, or use olde english. Most people on RP servers are just not interested in hearing about the football game last night, or some chick you met at the bar, or your super elite counterstrike team. Keep your conversation related to the game, and don't use "leet" speak and you'll be fine. Also, if you want to name your character "Donkeypuncher" or "Supersaiyan" don't do it on an RP server. Chances are it will get reported and changed.

elchorizo said:
7. Most important, dont obsess about your class and read all the forums and shit. You'll just experience heartache when they nurf your class and buff classes that you have a hard time with in PvP. Its better to not know every little detail and just have fun instead. I used to primarlly play a mage and I'd get all worked up every time the class got fucked. Looking back, I would have had more fun if I'd just gone with the flow (excpet the old CS on the Global Cooldown nurf, fuck that, glad they eventually reversed it).
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Not sure how I feel about this. Don't get too obsessed with every little detail of your class, but definitely learn how to play your character well. Play more than one character to level 10 or 15 and decide which you like. Don't read the official forums though, they tend to be a cesspool of bile and hatred.
 
i kinda disagree with the soul thing, but its a very fun game ;p

been playing for 2 and a half years, and actually quit about 3 months ago, expansion just did not appeal to me, even more with the stupid patch that came out the last few weeks of bc, i was proud of being in one of the 100 guilds to clear sunwell way before the patch hit, and then everyone having the same right, the game just started loosing appeal. its understandable to let players experience the content before the expansion hits, but really? a 30% hp decrease? the talent points was enough imo.

but enough QQ talk, the game is good, expansion looks nice, tempting to play and get my warriors t3 lookalike t7, but my hunter has t3 so its not new =/
 
There used to be a [H]ard guild on storm scale, a long time ago pre-BC. We then joined the guild Seven Sins and did fairly well, downing Nef, but the Guild eventually broke apart. From there we scattered among st other guilds and servers, and a lot quit wow all together.

I just came back and have been enjoying the death knight ... go figure since my main was a warrior and my alt a warlock. :D Can't wait to see the new content but I'm at 65 so a few more levels to go.

The best part of WoW, for me, was raiding with Seven Sins. The problem was it took far too much time and eventually wore me out. I know now, because of my job, I would not be able to devote that much time to WoW again.
 
I disagree with this. Begging for money is a bad way to start and more often than not will be met with hostile responses. Instead of asking for money, explain that you are new to the game and are interested in any suggestions someone can offer on your particular class. If you pick a druid, ask a druid about talents or gear. Ask them about good locations to quest, or where to find a particular npc. If you find the right person this way, you will probably get gear, bags, coin, etc because you are expressing an interest in the game and not just asking for a handout. Information is worth more than a few gold. Ask for information and be happy if you get something extra.
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Do this instead of asking for a hand out.

Its a great game but after 4 years it just got too repetitive. Skipped on the expansion as I just don't have the time to devote to MMO's as I used to.
 
I've never played an MMO yet but even I'm halfway tempted to take a quick whirl and see what all the fuss is about. I don't keep up with forums or anything so if I went in, I'd be about as baby vanilla noob as it gets. We'll see...
 
TheToE! said:
I am low level.
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Not for long.
Why the hell dont people group up when questing in WoW?
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Because you don't have to group. Yes, you would of completed it faster, but all the loot drops would of had to be split. You're going to be online anyways, so why bother.
I invited him, he told me to piss off.
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That's what happens when a game is built around 1 person doing everything they want, minus raiding. Nobody cares about other people. There are nice people but there are also some real jerks. That's why I really don't understand why that game is even online. It could be offline and get the same experience. Oh wait, they they couldn't take your $14.99 a month.

In a game like Everquest, at least in the older days, where you were forced to group, people were forced to be nice. If you had a bad rep, you didn't level (at least not on that character), or had a hard time doing so.

Now that I think about it, WoW is the biggest scam in the history of games. It's a single player game, that you pay a monthly fee for. What's up with that? :confused: SCAM!:eek:
 
Thanks for the advice guys! I was just really hoping to experience some of the cool stuff I always hear people talking about, but it seems as if thats a long ways off..
 
Uninstall right now...

Don't let this game suck away your real life, which it will. All these hours you spend sitting on a chair staring at a computer screen just hitting some keys and tapping a mouse, for what, absolutely nothing at the end of the day.

There is a real life outside, with hot women that want to be banged, fun cars to drive, a real sunset, not pixelated
 
PWMK2 said:
If you played the game for three years, it must have done something right.

I've played for a little over a year now and I'm still having fun, especially with the expansion pack.
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Did they do something right??? Hmmm. Yes and NO!! They made a game, which, at first (I played when first released) was heart droppingly fun. Had lots of cool things. After my first year playing though, I started to see that it was really a time and money sink. I left the game and went back to DAoC for awhile then I really realized they were both, essentially, the same game with different back stories.

Then my friend went back to it and talked me into playing it again since we didnt really do much of the raids and stuff. I figured I'd give it another chance. Then I quit again some time later.....Played other games, then went back to it AGAIN for some freakin reason.

So, I didnt play it 3 years back to back, but it did have qualities that make it fun and after awhile, it gets into your blood and you miss it. Then you go back, play for awhile and then realize AGAIN why you left to begin with.

All in all, its better to have not played at all than to let it get into your system. Its like a drug...You know you shouldnt do it, but once you try it and do it more and more, the harder it is to rid your body of the substance and need for it.

This game is a drug better left alone.

elchorizo said:
You're right of course, but wasn't it fun? Thats the point IMO. Yeah, in the end its just virtual shit and you don't have anything to show for it, but I dont feel my time was wasted. I had many fun times and made a lot of friends. When you go on vacation what do you come back with? Memories of a good time, just like WoW. Neither are wasted time.
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The problem with your logic here is that when I go on a vacation, its money well spent (usually) and so the memories are worth the time and effort. This game however, do have some good memories and fun times, but overall wasnt worth the money and time spent to achieve those memories. If that makes sense.
 
Zorachus said:
Uninstall right now...

Don't let this game suck away your real life, which it will. All these hours you spend sitting on a chair staring at a computer screen just hitting some keys and tapping a mouse, for what, absolutely nothing at the end of the day.

There is a real life outside, with hot women that want to be banged, fun cars to drive, a real sunset, not pixelated
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Oh jesus christ, just fucking game in moderation people, have some self control :rolleyes:
 
SAW said:
The problem with your logic here is that when I go on a vacation, its money well spent (usually) and so the memories are worth the time and effort. This game however, do have some good memories and fun times, but overall wasnt worth the money and time spent to achieve those memories. If that makes sense.
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Dunno about you, but when I die, some of the happiest moments and memories of my lifetime will be gaming related and I'm ok with that. To each his own.
 
I'm remembering now how stupid the game is when you aren't a raiding guild. What's the point of just logging in and screwing around? I still love this expansion though.
 
SAW said:
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I figured I'd give it another chance. Then I quit again some time later.....Played other games, then went back to it AGAIN for some freakin reason.

So, I didnt play it 3 years back to back, but it did have qualities that make it fun and after awhile, it gets into your blood and you miss it. Then you go back, play for awhile and then realize AGAIN why you left to begin with.

All in all, its better to have not played at all than to let it get into your system. Its like a drug...You know you shouldnt do it, but once you try it and do it more and more, the harder it is to rid your body of the substance and need for it.

This game is a drug better left alone.

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I empathize with you. I have only played just over a year and a half but I have quit and come back so many times only to realize why I quit in the first place. This time, I will try my hardest to stay away for good. The only think that came out of WoW was putting me WAY behind on finishing my other games and keeping me away from all of the other good games out there.
 
MrFace said:
I'm remembering now how stupid the game is when you aren't a raiding guild. What's the point of just logging in and screwing around? I still love this expansion though.
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The same could be said about FPS. You just run around and shoot people over and over and over.

Just sayin, goes both ways. Pick your poison.
 
Freezebyte said:
The same could be said about FPS. You just run around and shoot people over and over and over.

Just sayin, goes both ways. Pick your poison.
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You are forgetting one logistic of your thought though...

With WoW, it is costing you monthly to run around doing the same thing over and over again while FPS's do not.

"Pick your poison"........I choose the one which I pay once and thats the end of it.
 
SAW said:
You are forgetting one logistic of your thought though...

With WoW, it is costing you monthly to run around doing the same thing over and over again while FPS's do not.

"Pick your poison"........I choose the one which I pay once and thats the end of it.
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When your tired of one game, you get another, we just stay with one game. The costs average out for most people.
 
So true, so true.

When I quit EQ2 in late september, after playing from launch and ignoring most other games during that time, I spent roughly 15 a month times 12 months on a yearly basis, which equals approximately 180 per year.

Now since quiting EQ2, I have purchased 5 games, averaging about 45 per game for a total of 225. Thats only in two months. So pick your poison.

And to be honest, while I have had some fun with the games I bought, including Warhammer, fallout, bioshock, CoD, etc. I have not found the satisfaction in gaming since leaving EQ2. I even tried WoW, but didn't include it in my five purchases, because I just couldn't get into it with the direct comparisons to EQ2.

Unfortunately, unless something catches my eye soon, I will startup EQ2 again, until something better comes along. EQ2 is not my first MMO either, being a long time vet of EQ1, so there was no first MMO attachment that alot of people feel. Games are either short or shit imo compared to the game that I like so much. And it was cheaper...
 
TheToE! said:
So I got bored and figured I would see what all this WoW fuss was about. Anybody from [H] still play? I know at one time their was a group. I just started playing and I am low level.

On a side note :
Why the hell dont people group up when questing in WoW? I was doing a quest to kill x amount of mob, there was another guy by himself killing same mob. I invited him, he told me to piss off. He was doing the same freaking quest! We could have both finished it in half the time! This has happend twice now. Whats up with that?

If any [H] guys are in a laid back guild, please hook a brother up! Doing quests solo begging for help sucks!
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I refuse to accept random group invites. Please talk to me first about grouping and then I might if there is a need. I don't know if this was your case but i'm just saying.

Second, the other person takes half your XP from kills so it slows you down.
 
SAW said:
Did they do something right??? Hmmm. Yes and NO!! They made a game, which, at first (I played when first released) was heart droppingly fun. Had lots of cool things. After my first year playing though, I started to see that it was really a time and money sink. I left the game and went back to DAoC for awhile then I really realized they were both, essentially, the same game with different back stories.

Then my friend went back to it and talked me into playing it again since we didnt really do much of the raids and stuff. I figured I'd give it another chance. Then I quit again some time later.....Played other games, then went back to it AGAIN for some freakin reason.

So, I didnt play it 3 years back to back, but it did have qualities that make it fun and after awhile, it gets into your blood and you miss it. Then you go back, play for awhile and then realize AGAIN why you left to begin with.

All in all, its better to have not played at all than to let it get into your system. Its like a drug...You know you shouldnt do it, but once you try it and do it more and more, the harder it is to rid your body of the substance and need for it.

This game is a drug better left alone.
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Oh, come on. We've heard "this game is a time sink" numerous times. It isn't a timesink unless you make it one. You get to choose how much time to put in. Now, to be able to get to the highest-level content in the game, you will most likely have to play quite a bit. This doesn't mean you have to do that, though, and for a lot of people jumping in for 4-12 hours a week and having fun is more than enough. Like myself.

I've leveled from 70-74 in the past week playing maybe 1 hour a day on the weekdays and about 4 hours a day on the weekend days. This in the middle of midterms, applying for graduation and expanded craziness at work.

Also, if you're having problems spending too much time playing a game, that's your fault, not anybody else's, and especially not the fault of the game itself.

Archer75 said:
I refuse to accept random group invites. Please talk to me first about grouping and then I might if there is a need. I don't know if this was your case but i'm just saying.

Second, the other person takes half your XP from kills so it slows you down.
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Yeah, +1. I will group up for many quests, but I never ever accept invites if someone just invites me out of the blue.
 
PWMK2 said:
Oh, come on. We've heard "this game is a time sink" numerous times. It isn't a timesink unless you make it one. You get to choose how much time to put in. Now, to be able to get to the highest-level content in the game, you will most likely have to play quite a bit. This doesn't mean you have to do that, though, and for a lot of people jumping in for 4-12 hours a week and having fun is more than enough. Like myself.

I've leveled from 70-74 in the past week playing maybe 1 hour a day on the weekdays and about 4 hours a day on the weekend days. This in the middle of midterms, applying for graduation and expanded craziness at work.

Also, if you're having problems spending too much time playing a game, that's your fault, not anybody else's, and especially not the fault of the game itself.
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PWMK2 said:
Oh, come on. We've heard "this game is a time sink" numerous times. It isn't a timesink unless you make it one. You get to choose how much time to put in. Now, to be able to get to the highest-level content in the game, you will most likely have to play quite a bit. This doesn't mean you have to do that, though, and for a lot of people jumping in for 4-12 hours a week and having fun is more than enough. Like myself.

I've leveled from 70-74 in the past week playing maybe 1 hour a day on the weekdays and about 4 hours a day on the weekend days. This in the middle of midterms, applying for graduation and expanded craziness at work.

Also, if you're having problems spending too much time playing a game, that's your fault, not anybody else's, and especially not the fault of the game itself.
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And from start to finish.....

You killed, you got crap, you leveled, you killed some more - rinse repeat

The debate can go on and on and on and on. Bottom line is, your paying 15 a month to kill, to get CRAP, you leveled.

Id rather spend 225 a year than 180 a year for the sheer fact of having something NEW and different to play than the same ol "Kill, Loot, Level.

But as mentioned before.....choose your poison.

To OP.....again.....dont say I (we) didnt warn ya...
 
the main issue here is that with any other game you can "pause" or "save" with WoW you gotta be in that raid for that 4 hours, every week for 52 weeks a year. Out of that you got 12 maybe 13 shiney purplez. Granted you also could be in a casual guild and get 1 every 3 months or shit never drops and you get jack.

I did Kara every week since TBC came out and I was 70, Gruul's soon after. Never got the shield from either instance. Some brand new 70 got geared out with both in 1 week.

In CS, GoW2, etc. When your good at the game your good at the game. Gear be damned
 
be prepared to get hooked.
i have quit and went back alot and am looking to go back again... sigh wont another game come out and beat this game... i just want to pvp like the days before bg's
 
SAW said:
And from start to finish.....

You killed, you got crap, you leveled, you killed some more - rinse repeat

The debate can go on and on and on and on. Bottom line is, your paying 15 a month to kill, to get CRAP, you leveled.

Id rather spend 225 a year than 180 a year for the sheer fact of having something NEW and different to play than the same ol "Kill, Loot, Level.

But as mentioned before.....choose your poison.

To OP.....again.....dont say I (we) didnt warn ya...
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So what? This has basically devolved into "all video games suck, but WoW is more sucky because it costs more?" Every game is kill, loot, level when you get down to it. I like WoW because I can play with actual people over a long period of time. I can see how you can get burned out from it if you play it compulsively for like three years, but here's a solution to avoid that: don't play it compulsively. There. Problem fixed.

next-Jin said:
the main issue here is that with any other game you can "pause" or "save" with WoW you gotta be in that raid for that 4 hours, every week for 52 weeks a year. Out of that you got 12 maybe 13 shiney purplez. Granted you also could be in a casual guild and get 1 every 3 months or shit never drops and you get jack.

I did Kara every week since TBC came out and I was 70, Gruul's soon after. Never got the shield from either instance. Some brand new 70 got geared out with both in 1 week.

In CS, GoW2, etc. When your good at the game your good at the game. Gear be damned
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All I can say is that if you're not fully epic'd out after doing 52 raids, you're doing something wrong.

I raided Kara 4 times and did a couple heroics three times each and got epic'd out in about a month of play. You must have just had really (and I mean really) bad luck or something. Sure, I didn't have tier 5 or 6 gear or any of that crap, but that's not what I was going for.
 
PWMK2 said:
So what? This has basically devolved into "all video games suck, but WoW is more sucky because it costs more?" Every game is kill, loot, level when you get down to it. I like WoW because I can play with actual people over a long period of time. I can see how you can get burned out from it if you play it compulsively for like three years, but here's a solution to avoid that: don't play it compulsively. There. Problem fixed.



All I can say is that if you're not fully epic'd out after doing 52 raids, you're doing something wrong.

I raided Kara 4 times and did a couple heroics three times each and got epic'd out in about a month of play. You must have just had really (and I mean really) bad luck or something. Sure, I didn't have tier 5 or 6 gear or any of that crap, but that's not what I was going for.
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You missed my point entirely :D I was "fully" epiced (which means jack btw). My point was that sometimes something or multiple things will simply never drop for you np matter how much time you invest in the game or raid. Second point being you could possibly get left behind because of this. If Blizz would give one class item it would fix the problem but then you lose the "time sink".

I mean jesus do you have any idea how much of my life I wasted trying to get my 2nd binding to drop in MC? I've been doing that for god knows how long. I "chose" to do the raids, but there has to be a better way then /roll 1-999999999999999999999999999

Finishing up, No matter how good you are the game is gear dependent within 2 Tiers. Namely if a S2/Tier 4 Warrior goes up against a S4/ Tier 6 Warrior they will lose. This is not a complaint, just a reminder of why I keep quitting the game. Its the way any MMO works.

I'd much rather play a FPS, RTS or what have you where I know if someone is better or worse then me. There is a reason why there are a hundred guilds out there named "RNG takes skill brah". :D
 
The real key to enjoying a game like WoW, is people. Because if you are always soloing, you might as well just play a single player game. But i have a great guild, and have met several of them in person even (that doesn't include the ones i knew personally before starting WoW).

Heck, when i started playing FO3, i got a phone call asking me if i was OK, since i hadn't been on in a week. If it wasn't for people like that, people who care, i would not still be playing WoW. It's as much a way to keep in contact with friends than anything else.

Or as i like to call it, IM with a game built in! :D
 
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