Smallest case for Ryzen APU & Wraith Stealth?

Discussion in 'Small Form Factor Systems' started by deruberhanyok, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:54 AM.

  1. deruberhanyok

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    With the launch of the new Ryzen APUs I thought this was worth re-visiting (there's an old thread here).

    I have an ISK 110 here I was thinking of using for a build, but it's questionable whether the Wraith Stealth (53.4mm) will fit in it. I seem to recall having an Intel setup in one a while back, using Intel's stock cooler (not the thin one) and it was a close fit. This is taller by about 8mm I think.

    I'll probably wind up picking up a motherboard and APU to try out anyways, but the ISK 110 doesn't seem to be readily available anymore and it seems a lot of ITX cases are larger than it these days, so even if it fits (again, I don't think it will), I imagine others might be looking for something similar that they can actually buy.

    IN Win had the Chopin a year or so ago, but the Wraith Stealth won't fit (they say 43mm to the side panel) anyways. The Akasa "Crypto X1" is questionable - says the total system height is 76mm so I don't think it would fit. There's the Mini-Box M300, an older case, but with the ability to have a PCI card on a riser above the motherboard it's possible there's enough clearance for it.

    There's the Realan W-80; their website specifically states it supports a "MB radiator" (I assume they mean heatsink) 54mm and under, and you can use 2x2.5" drives in that config. That might be an option, but it's disappeared from Newegg, where it says it was sold by Realan Technology, and if you click on the seller link they "can't be found" (and there's a verified owner review posted less than a week ago, so not sure what that's all about).

    There's also the Iwill HT80 (also known as the MS-tech MC80), again, not really available anymore, but it at least looks like it would have fit (but that has an optical drive slot and an integrated IR receiver, so it winds up being a little bigger).

    Anyways, what else is out there? I know there are plenty of larger cases that would work (ISK 300, any number of the ITX cases on Newegg) but I'm wondering how SFF it can go.
     
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    Neat! Can you share pics when you get it in hand? Looks like it could use a little more ventilation but otherwise nice.
     
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    I'll do some with the parts installed once my parts arrive again. I sadly got a bricked motherboard :/
    But here are some pictures for now. I modded my case quite a bit and changed it a few times so ignore the looks :p
    https://imgur.com/a/Wdivs
     
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    I was searching for a case to match with a possible Ryzen 5 2400G build also. The ISK 110 is rare these days and I was reading these systems need more power than the ISK 110 PSU can provide.

    I started to lose interest once I saw what DDR4 is selling for these days.
     
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    I did a little more looking around and found that Realan has a storefront on Aliexpress:

    https://www.aliexpress.com/store/109426?spm=2114.10010108.0.0.1b1d27dekbPZpt

    They have the W80 listed there. With a 120W power supply (brick + DC board) it's $90 shipped to US. They're not shipping any orders until the 24th (lunar new year) but it looks like it might be a good option. I'll probably order one eventually.

    josephclemente I'll test in mine whenever I get around to picking up a board and processor, but I think it should work. Anandtech's tests included whole system power measurements and their "full load" test showed it under 70W for the 2400G; this was with MSI's B350 ITX motherboard, a 2.5" SSD and 2x8GB RAM. The ISK 110's DC/DC board is rated for 90W I think and it includes an 80W adapter, so it might be enough.

    I don't think the Wraith Stealth will fit the ISK 110, but just for testing it out I can run it with the lid off.

    You'd be surprised what you can run on 80W. I had a whole system running in an ISK 300-65 years ago, an i3 530, and those were rated for more power draw than the 65W in that case could handle. But the system ran for years without any issues, with two hard drives, a wifi card and a DVD burner in it. Plus whatever motherboard power draw was like.

    Anyways, I hear you on the RAM pricing. If I didn't have some on-hand from a system I just disassembled I wouldn't even bother right now.
     
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    GEEEK A20 supports Flex-ATX and dual slot low profile card (possible upgrade) and is cheaper, but is made from acrylic and IMO is a bit ugly.
     
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    I got some temperature figures now. Cooling is sub par. It's ok for me, but I used a fan duct for the CPU fan, so it doesn't recycle hot air from the inside. That dropped the temperature by 10-15 Kelvin under load. I'm also not using the wraith stealth but the A404T from Xilence, with a 92mm be quiet silent wing 2. And my GPU is overclocked. In summery: I would use a fan duct is this case, since it helps a lot.
     
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    Vlad502 indeed - I really liked the look of their A10 but I guess it has been discontinued?

    The A20 is nice, though nearly 7L in volume. The A10 was a little smaller (6.3L). The W80 comes in under 4L, though they're obviously built for different use cases.

    Having a possible upgrade path down the road is great, and if I were looking to build something with that in mind I'd probably order one. Figure about $50 for a nice flex ATX PSU and you're at about the same price at the W80 as well, so no real difference there.
     
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    What about using the Chopin with a Noctua L9a cooler?
     
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    QuantumBraced the L9a is definitely an option that opens up several other cases, including the ISK 110 I already have, since it's 14mm shorter than the wraith stealth. But it's also an extra $40 if you're looking to build with no other parts on hand.

    (However, given the seemingly very limited number of options that would fit the Wraith Stealth, it almost seems necessary if you wanted to build something this small).

    I have considered picking one up (cheaper than spending $90 on a case and power supply) but since the B350 ITX boards are out of stock at a lot of places right now I haven't actually ordered anything yet.

    josephclemente I haven't seen it listed anywhere I've checked. However the L9a is very short (37mm) so it opens up the possibility of using a number of In Win's cases, possibly including the various "BQ" series they have, similar to the Chopin.