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Sleeving recommendations
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PolygonGTC
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I'd only suggest MDPC-X or Lutro0 Customs.
MDPC-X all you need to know.
http://en.mdpc-x.com/
The guy is in Munich, Germany.
Ships world wide.
His International "store" is only up a few hours a day. He got sick last year and decided to turn the volume down a bit.
He's got the best stuff anywhere and the best tools as well.
He ships for a reasonable price, takes about a week to get the stuff from him to me on the east coast.
Generally I try to order a shit load of stuff each time. Cuts down on the cost and time waiting.
That said.....that LutroO guy is starting his own line of sleeve that's supposed to rival MDPC-X.
http://en.mdpc-x.com/
The guy is in Munich, Germany.
Ships world wide.
His International "store" is only up a few hours a day. He got sick last year and decided to turn the volume down a bit.
He's got the best stuff anywhere and the best tools as well.
He ships for a reasonable price, takes about a week to get the stuff from him to me on the east coast.
Generally I try to order a shit load of stuff each time. Cuts down on the cost and time waiting.
That said.....that LutroO guy is starting his own line of sleeve that's supposed to rival MDPC-X.
German Muscle
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MDPC-X for sleeving
If you want it sleeved for you then Psychosleeve.com
If you want it sleeved for you then Psychosleeve.com
Arcygenical
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Buy 50ft rolls of nylon paracord on ebay, in around 40 colours, for about 7$ shipped per length.
my-name-here
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i like paracord best. i have not used lutro0s but i see no problem with regular paracord.
AuraofVengeance
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I ordered both from mike and paracord directly. I didn't really see a difference in material much. I would have to say if your happy with how it looks go for it, its a very easy material to work with at least in my eyes. I like it because I'm using the heat shrink less method which I think looks much cleaner. Although, I'm very interested in trying his new stiff line as soon as I'm ready to make another purchase from his shop
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Cored paracord is actually wonderful, since you can tape a wire to one end of the core, and pull it through easily.
And I've ordered both, there is absolutely no difference in the material (with the slightly higher quality ebay paracord, usually USA sources)... Just around 10x the price.
I ordered both from mike and paracord directly. I didn't really see a difference in material much. I would have to say if your happy with how it looks go for it, its a very easy material to work with at least in my eyes. I like it because I'm using the heat shrink less method which I think looks much cleaner. Although, I'm very interested in trying his new stiff line as soon as I'm ready to make another purchase from his shop
Oh I don't use it for personal stuff. I just like working with it for customer work. It's easy to use, faster since I don't have to uncore it and jobs get done sooner allowing me to get more done.
German Muscle
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Paracord is beginner stuff. It looks like crap personally. Makes your wiring look like shoe strings.
my-name-here
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i have the exact opposite opinion... really don't like non paracord sleeving.
German Muscle
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to each their own i guess.
I agree, paracord cannot beat a clean, expensive nylon sleeve.
I also think it looks like shoestring. But that's just my opinion as well.
You can argue no heatshrink until your blue in the face......but if you have to bend the wires or pull them through a tight spot and they get caught....oops now you got paracord accordion.
I also think it looks like shoestring. But that's just my opinion as well.
You can argue no heatshrink until your blue in the face......but if you have to bend the wires or pull them through a tight spot and they get caught....oops now you got paracord accordion.
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I'm waiting to see some new paracord from Lutro0 Customs that's supposed to be just as good as MDPC-X. I guess we'll see. I have trouble imagining something better looking than MDPC-X done right.
Plenty of examples here.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/ICSCommunity/
Hell, you might even see me post a few things now and then.
German Muscle
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Lutro0 wont be able to hang with MDPC-X. Niles makes that stuff himself and is a perfectionist to say the least.
I can't imagine paracord being "better" than MDPC-X.
It's really apples and oranges anyway.
I've seen some really nice work from both types of material, but I prefer MDPC-X, just sayin'.
Never say never - that's what the ones on top always think when they get too comfortable thinking they own market share, then that scrappy little guy comes in and blows their doors off - I know, I was the scrappy little guy who went up against the status quote in my field and give them one hell of a reason to change their tune.
Just when you think you got the market cornered - someone will come along and show you up.
On that note - yeah, Nils has some fantastic products. I doubt anyone could even say different, and if they did a mob would publically flog them. So he has a good thing going. I like his stuff, have invested in a lot of it personally, but I also like competition, I like the underdog that goes up against the status quote and I like the innovation that competition brings. So, for me I like to keep options open, check them all out and use them as needed. They both make fantastic products worthy to be in any of my builds.
To prove that point, here are a bunch of pictures of both MDPC and Lutro0's sleeving to view - I think they certainly are within the same category of quality.
AuraofVengeance
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Stiff-line will most likely be my next choice in sleeving . Like I've been saying lately I'm still extremely happy with good old regular paracord. Mike's coreless is even better , but I'm still excited to get my hands on some stiff-line in a couple of colors and go nuts with it.
. Like I've been saying lately I'm still extremely happy with good old regular paracord. Mike's coreless is even better , but I'm still excited to get my hands on some stiff-line in a couple of colors and go nuts with it.
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The Lutro0 stiff line looks very nice. I've been waiting to see some good shots of it. For my next sleeving adventure I'll give it a shot.
The "tightness" of the MDPC-X and the colors available just can't be beat.
The LutroO stuff looks pretty good, but you can see the difference in the weave even just looking at the pictures.
Don't get me wrong, it looks pretty good, but Nils still has the best stuff.
LutroO's advantage is he's US based, so shipping and time would be reduced.
Paracord regardless of quality looks bad, just my 2 cents.
The LutroO stuff looks pretty good, but you can see the difference in the weave even just looking at the pictures.
Don't get me wrong, it looks pretty good, but Nils still has the best stuff.
LutroO's advantage is he's US based, so shipping and time would be reduced.
Paracord regardless of quality looks bad, just my 2 cents.
The "tightness" of the MDPC-X and the colors available just can't be beat.
The LutroO stuff looks pretty good, but you can see the difference in the weave even just looking at the pictures.
Don't get me wrong, it looks pretty good, but Nils still has the best stuff.
LutroO's advantage is he's US based, so shipping and time would be reduced.
Paracord regardless of quality looks bad, just my 2 cents.
Actually, (and not trying to start an argument here as everyone is entitled to their opinion)
The LC Stiff-Line does indeed have a different weave infact on a dense factor MDPC is 9-10 LC S-L is a factor of 16 This is based upon the weave and how the sleeve is made and braided. S-L was made for easy Heatshrinkless Sleeving - easy to put on the wire and has great coverage even before its stretched out. Once stretched right it will cover most wire completely. LC's Flagship sleeving will be the same way in terms of denseness and quality.
That all being said S-L was not meant to be compared to any other sleeve as it is its own animal - a special sleeve made for a very specific purpose.
If you have not given it a try (which I assume you have not) I would not mind sending you some so you had a proper point of comparison to see what I am talking about!
Actually, (and not trying to start an argument here as everyone is entitled to their opinion)
The LC Stiff-Line does indeed have a different weave infact on a dense factor MDPC is 9-10 LC S-L is a factor of 16 This is based upon the weave and how the sleeve is made and braided. S-L was made for easy Heatshrinkless Sleeving - easy to put on the wire and has great coverage even before its stretched out. Once stretched right it will cover most wire completely. LC's Flagship sleeving will be the same way in terms of denseness and quality.
That all being said S-L was not meant to be compared to any other sleeve as it is its own animal - a special sleeve made for a very specific purpose.
If you have not given it a try (which I assume you have not) I would not mind sending you some so you had a proper point of comparison to see what I am talking about!
Awesome.
That would be cool.
I'm obviously a fan of MDPC-X, but that doesn't mean I have blinders on.
I'll PM you and we can work out the details.
I am by no means implying your goods are not top notch.
Oh never took it as you implying anything of the such. I just want to make sure everyone gets a chance to use something new and improved.
Its hard to get people to try new things in the sleeving world as I have found it to be very clubby and elitist - many do follow blindly sadly. You see it all the time when people call other peoples products crap when they may have only seen a pic and have never even used it themselves. Which I must say sometimes there is a validity to it as many sleeving makers minus a few just straight rip off others. But sleeving is not the only computer realm that this exists in.
I enjoy rocking the boat a tad as that's how we get innovation and freshness into fields that have been dominated for far too long. Competition is what makes a field thrive and drives prices down and creates new products and gives the customers more choices and everyone benefits from it.
I made it a point when I started my shop to bring new ideas to sleeving, not just to keep copying the same thing we always see but something with a twist or for the most part - things that have a very specific purpose, cause as we all know when you have the right supplies for a job that makes all the difference.
For example:
German. Clearly you are a fan of MDPC - Have you even used any of my products? Watched my tutorials? I would suggest you please give them a look before saying stuff like that, however if that is your opinion then you are entitled to it. Also Nils buys from factories like all he rest of us.Purchases the same type colored pellets, has it extruded into mono filament like the rest of is and has it braided in his own weave like everyone else. What he does have is an incredible eye for color and respect for being one of the pioneers into single sleeving and quality goods.
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German Muscle
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Are you going to send me some?
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Lutro0 - for a beginner, what sort of sleeving would you recommend? I've got a big build in progress and would like something easy to work with and very nice visually.
Personally I would say try his PET when he gets it in. I tried many different kinds and if his new PET he has coming in is anything like MDPC's, then its going to be the easiest and best to start out with. According to what I just read above, it should be, and should be even tighter weave making it easier for you to not have to stretch as hard, I would assume, to ensure you get the best coverage. Just make sure you have a hot knife or a lighter handy, the rest is easy.
Very good question, often wondered that myself. All I do is sleeve it, grab one end, start working the stretch from the far end towards the roll of sleeving end, then I get it stretched all the way down, grab my sharpie, mark the sleeve, pull it off, cut it, put it in back in place. If I am doing heat shrinkless I do the same method, but (and this is just me to allow for inconsistency in stretches, etc) I give myself about 1/32" to 1/16" extra because sometimes you never know how it will stretch the next time through and I personally would rather a tad bit of slack and to be able to make the crimp then waste a piece of sleeving that ends up being too short. Just my .02 for what its worth.
Yes, this stretch and cut method is much easier than trying to measure it beforehand. But if you're doing 24 wires all the same length you can do one or two and measure what you've done.
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Hey lutro, looked on your site, but all i see is extension jobs. About how much (rough estimate) would you charge to sleeve a full corsair 1200i w psu with paracord (not extensions)?
I don'tb think you can make a blanket statement like that for a couple of reasons.
First, different sleeving is going to stretch differently.
MDPC-X will stretch at a different rate than LutroO and so forth.
Second, my pull might be different than yours. I might not ask my sleeve to stretch as much as you would.
I basically ready my wire, and crimp on the pins. Then I place the wire on a hard surface and stretch it a bit.
I have a measure jig I made that I then place the wire in. it measures the wire. Then I grab the sleeving and lay it out next to the wire.
I'll then stretch the shit out of the sleeve to it's determined position. I do that a couple of times, finally holding and cutting the desired length of sleeve while it's stretched. One end of the same jig holds one end of the sleeve.
You'll get a feel for how much your sleeve retracts when you play with it. It becomes pretty consistant after 20 or 30 times.
I won't tell you how many times I screwed up before I got anywhere near good at this.
There's a REALLY good tutorial in these forums by a guy named kmaster. It is very,very detailed and he has a calculation method he uses.
As others have said, you won't find a universal calculation because different sleeves are going to stretch differently and it's tough to know the exact diameter of your wires. However, you could probably come up with a formula for your individual setup. Take one of your wires, measure it, and then measure how much empty sleeving it takes to stretch out over the wire. For example, if you have a 20" wire it might take 20.5 or 21 inches of sleeving to actually cover that wire. Once you have figured out the ratio it should be pretty easy to figure out what lengths to cut for each wire.
Of course, if you don't have your sleeving yet then just take rough measurements and order more than you think you will need.
If you want to have a look at a small ammount I dont see why not. Just cover shipping.
Depends on your method of sleeving - for a beginner I would suggest heatshrinkless.
The sleeves I would recommend is:
Paracord - with the threader tool sold on my site, the tool makes it easier to thread it without snagging and paracord is cheap so its a good sleeve to practice with.
LC Stiff-Line Sleeving- This sleeve goes onto the wire easy requires little stretching and has great coverage and its made just for heatshrinkless style sleeving.
LC Teleios Sleeving - This is our flagship sleeving and is very similiar to stiff-line is that it is easy to use - however it will come out in more colors (custom ones chosen by me) and in sata size as well. You can either heatshrink or heatshrinkless method this sleeve.
MDPC- MDPC is a great overall sleeve cons would be price and availability (Nils is only open for short windows of time) and waiting for it to arrive as he is based out of Germany so that may or may not be an issue. MDPC also needs to be stretched a good bit to have good coverage so its a little more advanced then the above listed.
All sleeve stretches differently due to all sleeve has its own properties based upon its weave and denseness. The lower the denseness the more it has to be stretched and vice versa. For example MDPC must be stretched tight as it has a low density, but once its stretched it has good coverage and my LC Teleios or Stiff-Line has a high density so it hardly needs to be stretched if at all.
With that being said I have used a fool proof method scince I started sleeving. Each wire (minus a non modular psu to which this doesnt apply anyhow) has 2 crimper terminal ends. There is 4 points on each end that you can use to measure by: the tip, the "jut out" or where the pin opens up to the channel where the actual wire is crimped, the middle of the crimped wire channel, and the stress relief or where the terminal has crimped onto the wire insulation. All terminals have all of these or most of them.
What I do is pick a point on both sides and WITHOUT stretching the sleeve I measure between these two points making sure to be as accurate as possible. I then put the sleeve on the wire and stretch it according to the type of sleeve. If it is too short I then pick a farther point on one side, if it is too long I pick a shorter point on one side - I do this until I find a combination that works.
I then proceed to do all of my wires based off of the two points that worked (use a wire each time to measure). You should have enough play in the sleeve to not worry about the small amounts that the wire might be off because of uniformity of crimping.
I have used this method for years and with just about every sleeve that is sold and it has never failed me. There is no math, no hassle, just the need for patience when cutting your other sleeve pieces so you are accurate.
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