Skylake and Windows 10

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I really didn't know exactly which sub forum to post this too. I came across an article on ARS technica regards to Skylake and Windows 10. It looks like going forward, It will be Windows 10 only or newer with the next generation of Intel's processors. AMD is also going a similar route with less support going towards to Win 7 users. Here is the article your reading pleasure.

Skylake Users given 18 months to upgrade to Windows 10

Now feel some of this could be a FUD based reading . On the other hand it does make sense that making the latest features work is also a great idea. It makes sense to have proper support for let's say USB 3.1 or future storage drives.

Currently, I am running Windows 7 myself. The privacy issues do matter to me with Windows 10s as the data being collected is not really forth coming and way too "spooky". I had Win 10 on my laptop for awhile. I somewhat liked it but it had too much of a beta feel to it. If I could bring more privacy to the browser, I would be more likely to commit to it for my Skylake system for a more enhanced experience using my USB hard drive for instance. Anyway, go forth and discuss!
 
Hate to tell you this, but that windows 10 data collection you are worried about? It was released to windows 7 and 8 with some KB updates a while back.
 
Well you are correct in some extent. However in 7 and 8/ .1 can be disabled / hidden from the update menu. The other main thing, it was optional download! Windows 10 it is pretty much forced on to you as the user from all the reading I have seen. No way to disable the updates.

I have had 2 experiences with Win 10. The first was on my laptop. When the original download came out i did updated. i thought it was Ok but still too unrefined. My daughter's laptop came with it. I liked it a bit more. The touch screen on her laptop changed my perception plus the build felt better overall functionality. I would think about giving it another shot on the laptop and possibly on the desktop. My concern is over what data is being sent back and how it is being used. I would like to have control over the "opt out" process. Not down on Win 10s but like others I have a legitimate concern over the matter when it comes to privacy.

Please keep it back on topic as there are several similar topics in the OS forum regarding this. I know and will admit to some soapboxing here with the Windows 10 privacy concerns. However it is also part of the conversation as to truly take advantage of the latest hardware will need the latest OS builds to run it. It reminds me of the XP builds and radically things like USB devices. 15 years later, it is comes full circle. New tech. New OSs to run it.
 
lol, OS X will support Skylake and its successors. Thanks for making my choice easier, Microsoft!

As Ars Technica notes:
Microsoft's announcement makes no mention of its server operating systems, leaving open the question of whether these will be subject to the same policy. This has the potential to raise hackles: if the Skylake generation Xeon E3-1275 v5, for example, remains supported by the Windows 8.1-equivalent Windows Server 2012 R2, or the Windows 7-equivalent Windows Server 2008 R2 beyond July 2017, then one might very well ask why the desktop counterparts cannot do the same. Conversely, if those processors don't remain supported then companies deploying such servers are going to have to plan for a very hasty upgrade: the server equivalent to Windows 10, Windows Server 2016, isn't even out yet.
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This is either another middle finger extended at Windows users, or a very poorly thought out plan to force W10 adoption.
 
pxc said:
lol, OS X will support Skylake and its successors. Thanks for making my choice easier, Microsoft!

As Ars Technica notes:

This is either another middle finger extended at Windows users, or a very poorly thought out plan to force W10 adoption.
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You mean those "critical" windows updates that auto installed that reverted the registry settings that I made intentionally to stop the annoying windows 10 update reminders (and that also redownload the 6GB update automatically) aren't a HUGE POINTED HINT that M$ is pushing something?
 
pxc said:
lol, OS X will support Skylake and its successors. Thanks for making my choice easier, Microsoft!

As Ars Technica notes:

This is either another middle finger extended at Windows users, or a very poorly thought out plan to force W10 adoption.
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Or you have not a clue what you are talking about and enjoy fud and misinformation. Last time I checked, Windows 7 and 8 are not going to be blocked from installing and working, they just will not support all the latest features. Your response will determine if you are actually listening or not.
 
OSX also data mines you, MS got the idea from that OS. Apple has data mined their customers for forever to determine usage patterns and development strategies.
 
ManofGod said:
Or you have not a clue what you are talking about and enjoy fud and misinformation. Last time I checked, Windows 7 and 8 are not going to be blocked from installing and working, they just will not support all the latest features. Your response will determine if you are actually listening or not.
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When has Microsoft, or any other OS developer for that matter, ever made the promise of full forwards compatibility with new hardware? I think never is the answer. Atom SoCs, those were never supported for Windows 7 by Microsoft or Intel that I know. There's only one Mac out right now with Skylake. Guessing Apple sells it with El Capitan and doesn't support prior versions of OS X.

This is such a non-issue. Amazing how people make stuff out of whole cloth.
 
Non-issue. As long as Intel puts out the requisite drivers, it will work on Windows. All MSFT is doing is saying "We won't force Intel to support Win 7 any longer", but at the end of the day, if Intel puts out the drivers, nothing changes.
 
pxc said:
lol, OS X will support Skylake and its successors. Thanks for making my choice easier, Microsoft!
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Which version of OSX? I doubt you will get Apple to update OSX 10.4, or 10.8 for that matter to fully support all the features of the Skylake processors. I can guarantee you that OSX 10.2 will NOT work on the Skylake processor, or any Intel processor for that matter. Apple "OSX" is like Microsoft "Windows."

This is just FUD being spread around. Older versions of Windows will install just fine on Skylake processors, but won't be updated to take advantage of the new features.
 
MS Doesn't need to push the tracking shit in my face to piss me off... honestly I really don't care, if they want to know how often I go to pornhub and all the clown porn I watch... more power to them.

What pisses me off is when I do certain registry tweaks to remove their annoying as fuck persistent folders in the my computer folder. Or when I change my power scheme to something very specific and then they come along behind me and reset it to default after an update.

Fuck you MS - stop undoing the changes I make on my system.
 
While I don't necessarily support necro threads, what does this do for us that are trying to get Windows 7 to work on i5/i7 Intel NUC's right now? I can get 7 to work on the i3 for whatever reason, but the i5/i7 is a pain in the ass. These are the new Skylake NUC units....
 
ob1 said:
While I don't necessarily support necro threads, what does this do for us that are trying to get Windows 7 to work on i5/i7 Intel NUC's right now? I can get 7 to work on the i3 for whatever reason, but the i5/i7 is a pain in the ass. These are the new Skylake NUC units....
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They will include drivers to properly detect the hardware and utilize certain features.
 
Just move to Windows 10. Its not like 7 never "spied" on you. and I bet you already use apps that spy even more than MS ever will. Chrome for example.

7 is also out of functional support. Only security fixes left.
 
Shintai said:
Just move to Windows 10. Its not like 7 never "spied" on you. and I bet you already use apps that spy even more than MS ever will. Chrome for example.

7 is also out of functional support. Only security fixes left.
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Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 have all received updates for spying on you just like windows 10 does now. I run 10 and block those hardcoded spy servers at my router, and I run O&O Shutup10 and disable a bunch of stuff that can be disabled. Microsoft can suck it.

[Tip] Disable Telemetry and Data Collection on Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 - AskVG
 
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Can't move to Windows 10. There was some change in the AES keys or something between 7 and 10, and the custom application I need to run between these boxes will not run. Company is not going to resolve the issue, (it is ground station equipment related so it is common that there will be no fixing it). I'm not worried about spying because they are on their own network, no attachments to outside network at all, completely stand alone.
 
Dont let the scare tactic get to you. We have countless, and I mean fucking countless, modern systems running Win2K, WinXP, and Win7 computersthat WILL still work until the components themselves die here at work.

We just used up our 2k, XP, and 7 licenses on Skylake PC's. And should they stop working due to MS's BS - a multi-billion dollar, multi-national, engineering firm will end up owning MS.
 
I think microsoft is trying to make this into a thing by allowing the FUD to spread. It's not like Skylake CPUs will not work with Windows7, it's just that it won't be supported. And when did a home user get any help from MS support ever anyway?
 
Oubadah said:
What difference does that make, really? What amazing non-security updates has Windows 7 been getting since SP1?

To be honest, I don't want an ever changing OS like Windows 10. It's a double edged sword, and I'd rather have stability and consistency than the latest features shoved down my throat whether I want them or not. Now Windows is more like the Xbox dashboard. Microsoft can overhaul the interface and break major things at any moment. If I purchase Windows 10, I don't really know what I'm buying into a year or two down the line, whereas previous operating systems were more-or-less a known quantity.

Sure, on my perpetual WIP gaming rig (that gets reformatted every 6 months anyway) I will probably use Windows 10. But on my more permanent systems I will continue to use 7 and maybe 8.1.
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Windows 10 is like Android. When an update comes it's always a lucky dip. Will it make my device better, or worse, or outright break it? Now on my phone that's not a catastrophe, and updating your android is not even compulsory. But on my desktop computer full of important documents and tools that's a thing I'm not willing to risk.
 
Oubadah said:
As above, you don't have to worry about Skylake CPUs any more because Microsoft have said that they will now be supported to the end of Windows7/8.1's lifecyle, however I think you've misunderstood the issue (which now applies to Kaby Lake and newer hardware). As I understand it, Microsoft will actively deny security updates to Windows 7/8.1 users on Kaby lake+ hardware. It's not that there's any valid technical reason behind it. It's just another desperate attempt to force people onto Windows 10. Yes, Windows 7/8.1 will probably run on that hardware just fine, but you won't be getting any security updates from Microsoft if you do that.
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I think you're the one misunderstanding this. They never said they'll deny security updates (or citation needed) they said they'll deny microcode updates. A very different thing entirely.
 
Its just scare tatics from microsoft, they will need to provide support to their partners and corporates
 
Oubadah said:
"After July 2017, the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices"

Windows 10 Embracing Silicon Innovation

"Also, after July 2018, all critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for Skylake systems until extended support ends..."

Updates to Support Policy for Skylake Devices Running Windows 7 and Windows 8.1

They've been talking about security updates the whole time.
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And where does it say there will be no security updates?

...will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices.
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That's like saying you'll get coffee unless piss pours out from the coffee machine.

My bullshit radar was going off like crazy reading that marketing piece that is formulated in the most confusing and convoluted way to say basically that that in other news the sky is blue. This is just another attempt to push even enterprise customers to W10.

In the end it's the market that will decide what they want and need.
 
Oubadah said:
I'd like to point out that Microsoft meant exactly what I had feared they meant, and now they're acting on it:

"Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 devices that have a seventh generation or a later generation processor may no longer be able to scan or download updates through Windows Update or Microsoft Update."

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-suspends-updates-kaby-lake-ryzen,33920.html

It doesn't matter to me now though, because I purchased two Skylake systems "just in case".
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Even I as a clear critic of Microsoft didn't believe they would go that far.
 
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