SIXAXIS Rumble Confirmed.

[CopyCat]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/821/821010p1.html

Thats cool for whoever wanted Rumble for their PS3.
I guess it sucks for whoever already has 4+ controllers though.

I gotta say, I wasn't all that hurt by no rumble in the first place...but I guess the option is nice.

 

[Marvelous]

They need to stick that controller in the ps3 package from now on.

 

[andypnb]

They need to stick that controller in the ps3 package from now on.

They probably will. Much like PS1 and dualshock, this will be the new "official" controller.

The question is is it Touchsense or traditional rumble. Touchsense would truly put them ahead of the competition.

 

[Carbon_Le]

I wonder if it'll rumble for any current games...only time will tell but do you guys think they would do a plan where we can get rumble if we send our current controllers to Sony.

 

[Forealz]

Thats right, I totally forgot PS1 ripped off analog sticks from Nintendo well after its release.

 

[xerus`]

Rumble is so last gen though... :I

 

[Sabre]

So much for their excuse that rumble wouldn't work with their wireless system.

 

[antok86]

i think rumble will kill battery faster

 

[devourment77]

Hopefully the rumble features will work for games like silent hill and shadow of the colossus. It would suck if the rumble features only worked for new games and not any ps2 games.

 

[CopyCat]

Thats right, I totally forgot PS1 ripped off analog sticks from Nintendo well after its release.

Rumble is so last gen though... :I

So much for their excuse that rumble wouldn't work with their wireless system.

Quick question. Why do you feel a need to try and find the negative in this announcement? I can only see this being a positive for gamers

Just don't see the reason for hating an a good thing, thats all.

 

[DaRat]

Thats right, I totally forgot PS1 ripped off analog sticks from Nintendo well after its release.

Yeah, and it became the standard it is today. A lot of people didn't think analog sticks were the way to go, but then all those 3d games came out.


I'm really glad they decided to get Rumble back in their controllers. Sure, it might be useless, but it's pretty much a standard in todays age of gaming.

Hopefully they get these controllers into the rumored $400 Ps3.

 

[Defective]

Quick question. Why do you feel a need to try and find the negative in this announcement? I can only see this being a positive for gamers

Just don't see the reason for hating an a good thing, thats all.

I don't see any thing wrong with people feeding Sony's own marketing back to them. It's funny when do you it for any company.

One thing this will definitely affect is the battery life. I wonder if they will regret not going to a replacable battery setup like the 360 or Wii.

 

[CopyCat]

Thats right, I totally forgot PS1 ripped off analog sticks from Nintendo well after its release.

You do realize that Nintendo was originally the backer for the Playstation partnering with Sony for the CD-ROM and what not to make the system? Then right before its announcement Nintendo backed out due to Nintendo not being happy with the original contract. Then Sony continued with the system on their own and there ya go.
I think the very first PS even worked with SNES games, there were only like 100 of them though....I can't remember. Im sure Wiki has info on it.

Just a bit of history for ya

 

[joemama]

Rumble is so last gen though... :I

Frealz...Sony convinced me that I didn't need it.

 

[joemama]

Quick question. Why do you feel a need to try and find the negative in this announcement? I can only see this being a positive for gamers

Just don't see the reason for hating an a good thing, thats all.

Because Sony pushed so hard to convince gamers that rumble was "last gen" and that the "sixaxis" was "next gen" Using their own logic..they're adding an old an unneeded feature to what is already the most awesomest gaming extravaganza the world has ever seen!

 

[Forealz]

You do realize that Nintendo was originally the backer for the Playstation partnering with Sony for the CD-ROM and what not to make the system? Then right before its announcement Nintendo backed out due to Nintendo not being happy with the original contract. Then Sony continued with the system on their own and there ya go.
I think the very first PS even worked with SNES games, there were only like 100 of them though....I can't remember. Im sure Wiki has info on it.

Just a bit of history for ya

Well aware of it Copycat, and I fail to see how this changes the fact that Sony ripped off analog sticks well after the PS release.

 

[H-Money]

i wonder if they are still gonna call it rumble

 

[deception``]

Quick question. Why do you feel a need to try and find the negative in this announcement? I can only see this being a positive for gamers

Just don't see the reason for hating an a good thing, thats all.

There's tons of negative here:

1. For months Sony has claimed that Rumble was obsolete, only to add it to their controllers later. Excellent marketing and PR btw.

2. Sony has touted their backwards compatibility, but chose not to include a feature that we have enjoyed in previous titles.

3. Any current PS3 owner that wants rumble will have to purchase additional controllers. Really a big slap in the face to anyone with the system now. To be fair, we could compare this to the 360 and HDMI, but [a] component and VGA work fine and HDMI in no way alters the gaming experience like rumble can/does.

 

[Rash]

3. Any current PS3 owner that wants rumble will have to purchase additional controllers. Really a big slap in the face to anyone with the system now. To be fair, we could compare this to the 360 and HDMI, but [a] component and VGA work fine and HDMI in no way alters the gaming experience like rumble can/does.

You can also compare it to a console that was originally released with a wired controller then a year later a wireless one comes out, or ps3 and wii only comes with a composite/svideo cable, or core 360 comes with no hard drive only to need one down the line Or Nokia releasing the N95 only to announce an 8gb version later. swings and roundabouts mate. Its just clever marketing to get money out of people quicker only to have a following of moaning bitches on forums like this!

 

[Xrave]

I like my super-light controllers with extended battery life.

 

[deception``]

You can also compare it to a console that was originally released with a wired controller then a year later a wireless one comes out, or ps3 and wii only comes with a composite/svideo cable, or core 360 comes with no hard drive only to need one down the line Or Nokia releasing the N95 only to announce an 8gb version later. swings and roundabouts mate. Its just clever marketing to get money out of people quicker only to have a following of moaning bitches on forums like this!

I understand the point you're making but the analogy is flawed:

1. Wired and wireless controllers do not change the gaming experience; rumble does particularly when there are games that were designed to take advantage of it.

2. Again, video cables do not change the gaming experience in the same manner as rumble would.

3. The 360 was released with both the Core and Premium versions. Consumers had the ability to choose which console they preferred. Also, we always knew that the HDD was necessary to save games [in most cases] or take advantage of XBL. As such, this really cannot be seen as a shaft on Microsoft's behalf since we were well aware of this and both consoles were available at launch.

I'll freely admit that every company has done the "deny but later confirm" routine this go-around, but rumble is a bit different. For starters, there are TONS of PSX and PS2 games that use rumble and I'm sure that countless PS3 owners that are using their console to play PS2 games [like say FF12] would have appreciated this feature since the beginning.

 

[CopyCat]

I'll freely admit that every company has done the "deny but later confirm" routine this go-around, but rumble is a bit different. For starters, there are TONS of PSX and PS2 games that use rumble and I'm sure that countless PS3 owners that are using their console to play PS2 games [like say FF12] would have appreciated this feature since the beginning.

I understand being upset about not having it, but I don't get being upset now that you can have it.
It's like, well you don't NEED it but now you have the option. Would you rather never have gotten the option EVER?

Its like, so you're saying if you never got it you would be more or less pissed? But pissed either way.

I dont know I mean im not gonna point out other companies wrongs cause that doesn't make anything better. I just felt like this was a make right, and I can't really see the negative in it...

 

[Naldo]

Hopefully they come with the newer version of rumble that immersion came out with (I think its called touchsense or something), now that all the legal stuff is settled.

 

[JohnleMVP]

Would you rather never have gotten the option EVER?

In some ways yes actually. Imagine if you bought 4 controllers. You'd have to buy more controllers to get rumble and now have some extra ones that probably aren't worth much anymore. If you don't you know that your missing something in games. If you care about rumble that is.

I'm glad I only bought 1 extra PS3 controller now.

 

[Rash]

I'll freely admit that every company has done the "deny but later confirm" routine this go-around, but rumble is a bit different. For starters, there are TONS of PSX and PS2 games that use rumble and I'm sure that countless PS3 owners that are using their console to play PS2 games [like say FF12] would have appreciated this feature since the beginning.

You mean like the wii controller didnt come with dual analogue sticks for use with those n64 back catalogue games?

And yes cables do affect my game playing experience, when the wii and ps3 look a pile of shite using the composite cables it pisses me off like watching a fuzzy porn movie on vhs instead of dvd or hidef!

You speak as if rumble is the only thing that can make and allow a difference in this world!

Also on this forum we know that a hdd is needed to have the full experience of the 360 but there are millions out there that dont.

 

[rayman2k2]

You can also compare it to a console that was originally released with a wired controller then a year later a wireless one comes out, or ps3 and wii only comes with a composite/svideo cable, or core 360 comes with no hard drive only to need one down the line Or Nokia releasing the N95 only to announce an 8gb version later. swings and roundabouts mate. Its just clever marketing to get money out of people quicker only to have a following of moaning bitches on forums like this!

theres a difference, in that, wireless controllers are the next natural progression of wired controllers. a larger hdd in a the n95 is to be expected after some time.



we were told by sony - directly by sony - that rumble will never be incorporated into the controllers because it affects the wireless whatever...we expected them not to ever have it and therefore didnt mind shelling out 50 dollars for a controller.


and now we find out that rumble IS coming? call me a moaning bitch, but sony is a cheating slut.

 

[deception``]

I understand being upset about not having it, but I don't get being upset now that you can have it.
It's like, well you don't NEED it but now you have the option. Would you rather never have gotten the option EVER?

Its like, so you're saying if you never got it you would be more or less pissed? But pissed either way.

I dont know I mean im not gonna point out other companies wrongs cause that doesn't make anything better. I just felt like this was a make right, and I can't really see the negative in it...

*Sound of the point flying over your head*

Nobody is upset that Sony added rumble; that's just absurd.

What people are upset about is the fact that (a) they chose not to include rumble in the first place and (b) categorically defended their position to exclude rumble only to include it at a later date.

We expect consoles to become cheaper and slimmer over time, we don't expect controller features to change.

 

[Forealz]

Um, you must not remember the N64 controller. It had one stick, 3 prongs.

You mean like the wii controller didnt come with dual analogue sticks for use with those n64 back catalogue games?

And yes cables do affect my game playing experience, when the wii and ps3 look a pile of shite using the composite cables it pisses me off like watching a fuzzy porn movie on vhs instead of dvd or hidef!

You speak as if rumble is the only thing that can make and allow a difference in this world!

Also on this forum we know that a hdd is needed to have the full experience of the 360 but there are millions out there that dont.

 

[deception``]

You mean like the wii controller didnt come with dual analogue sticks for use with those n64 back catalogue games?

And yes cables do affect my game playing experience, when the wii and ps3 look a pile of shite using the composite cables it pisses me off like watching a fuzzy porn movie on vhs instead of dvd or hidef!

You speak as if rumble is the only thing that can make and allow a difference in this world!

Also on this forum we know that a hdd is needed to have the full experience of the 360 but there are millions out there that dont.

As mentioned below you seem to be misinformed about the Nintendo 64 controller.

The key here is that Sony has a huge library of titles that took advantage of rumble, so it's absurd to tote backwards compatibility and not come up with a controller that provides a complete gaming experience.

Secondly, many of the current PS3 games would greatly benefit from rumble. I'd feel pretty awkward playing a game like Madden 08, The Darkness, or Rainbow Six on the PS3 since I'm so used to enjoying rumble on my 360.

HD cables are a little different since we knew that the PS3 as well as the Wii were not going to include these cables in the box. Besides, it's not like Sony said that they would include HD cables only to change their minds later.

 

[Crighton]

actually I thought that the Key here was the fact that Sony was not able to include it without raising the base price even higher due to the fact that they needed to settle a law suit. Now they are selling them as separate unit and this will help cover the costs of the law suit and what ever royalties they need to pay the person or company that has the rights to "rumble technology" . The Main reason it is coming back has to do with Sony seeing that the consumers really seem to want it. This should be a good move in the PR department but as always in the world of PS3. It is once again being viewed as a bad thing. Not a bad thing that it is coming out but the mere fact that it didn't have it in the first place. Can you imagine what people would have said if the PS3 was more expensive when it first came out? I am just glad we have all the X-Box 360 owners to constantly tell me I spent too much money on it and that they are ripping me off. I just wish that when Sony does something in response to a complaint for it's customers I could see posts that at least see that there is something positive happening here and not some type of weird conspiracy in action here.

 

[deception``]

actually I thought that the Key here was the fact that Sony was not able to include it without raising the base price even higher due to the fact that they needed to settle a law suit. Now they are selling them as separate unit and this will help cover the costs of the law suit and what ever royalties they need to pay the person or company that has the rights to "rumble technology" . The Main reason it is coming back has to do with Sony seeing that the consumers really seem to want it. This should be a good move in the PR department but as always in the world of PS3. It is once again being viewed as a bad thing. Not a bad thing that it is coming out but the mere fact that it didn't have it in the first place. Can you imagine what people would have said if the PS3 was more expensive when it first came out? I am just glad we have all the X-Box 360 owners to constantly tell me I spent too much money on it and that they are ripping me off. I just wish that when Sony does something in response to a complaint for it's customers I could see posts that at least see that there is something positive happening here and not some type of weird conspiracy in action here.

News flash: we don't give guys a pass for cleaning up a mess they created. In this case, Sony's reason to exclude rumble was followed with some very colorful PR proclaiming that rumble isn't next-gen or unecessary compared to the "awesome" features of motion tilt.

I'm sure that many people appreciate Microsoft's new 3-year warranty when it comes to the RROD, but the general consensus is that the 360's hardware issues should have never surfaced in the first place.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Quick question. Why do you feel a need to try and find the negative in this announcement? I can only see this being a positive for gamers

Just don't see the reason for hating an a good thing, thats all.

I agree it's *mostly* positive, but it's also negative because the bottom line is that Sony screwed early adopters by giving them a half baked controller for full price only to pull the plug and do it right a year later after repeatedly lying about the reasons why they were screwing said early adopters.

I'm glad rumble is back, I think it was the right choice, but the announcement validates for me even further that all of us who decided to wait it out are the ones who made the right choice. Same holds true for those who waited it out on 360's hardware problems, we'll end up with better systems than early adopters.

So far this generation, it appears Nintendo's alone in not giving the shaft to their customer base.

 

[DaRat]

News flash: we don't give guys a pass for cleaning up a mess they created. In this case, Sony's reason to exclude rumble was followed with some very colorful PR proclaiming that rumble isn't next-gen or unecessary compared to the "awesome" features of motion tilt.

I'm sure that many people appreciate Microsoft's new 3-year warranty when it comes to the RROD, but the general consensus is that the 360's hardware issues should have never surfaced in the first place.

Hit it pretty much on the mark. It's something that should have been there to begin with.

Sure this is a good move by Sony to finally include it; but come on, it should have been there at launch... (Along with dual HDMI, and all of the other broken promises of the Ps3's botched launch)


Now Sony is just doing everything they can to make up for lost ground, which i think they will cover better than most people here think. For some reason i see the Ps3 doing extremely well in the future as long as they do that magical price drop to $400.

 

[WaterproofPaper]

It scares me when i play any game with vibration. Im so used to the wavebird and the PS3 controller holding those rumbly controllers makes it a lot heavier. I was playing Smash at my friends house and when it started rumbling i almost dropped the controller . Touchsense would have been a great addition but putting that tech in would drive them prices of the controllers up, even if it isnt that expensive to put it inside in the first place. Sony could say something like.. NEW AWESOME RUMBLE ONLY FOR 69.99.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Hit it pretty much on the mark. It's something that should have been there to begin with.

Sure this is a good move by Sony to finally include it; but come on, it should have been there at launch... (Along with dual HDMI, and all of the other broken promises of the Ps3's botched launch)


Now Sony is just doing everything they can to make up for lost ground, which i think they will cover better than most people here think. For some reason i see the Ps3 doing extremely well in the future as long as they do that magical price drop to $400.

I'd have to say I disagree about some of the features they dropped, including dual HDMI. Let's face it, PS3 isn't *powerful* enough to drive 2 1080p displays with anything akin to what we're seeing on single displays for said games. It would have been a wasted extra feature. Things like the built in wifi router were just laundry list items tossed in for no reason other than to try and show Microsoft's 360 announcement up, and it's good that they were dropped. I agree it's annoying to announce said laundry list and back off from it, but let's face it: Overpromise, Under-deliver is pretty much the Modis Operandi of Sony corporation.

I expect PS3 to do OK this gen, akin to what Gamecube did last gen. A respectable performance, but third place all the way to the end.

 

[DaRat]

I'd have to say I disagree about some of the features they dropped, including dual HDMI. Let's face it, PS3 isn't *powerful* enough to drive 2 1080p displays with anything akin to what we're seeing on single displays for said games. It would have been a wasted extra feature. Things like the built in wifi router were just laundry list items tossed in for no reason other than to try and show Microsoft's 360 announcement up, and it's good that they were dropped. I agree it's annoying to announce said laundry list and back off from it, but let's face it: Overpromise, Under-deliver is pretty much the Modis Operandi of Sony corporation.

I expect PS3 to do OK this gen, akin to what Gamecube did last gen. A respectable performance, but third place all the way to the end.

Sure it's not powerful enough for those features, but man it would have been sweet with dual outputs. Hooking 2 TVs up to play multiplayer FPS games would have been amazing and the other functions would have warranted (in my opinion) the $600 purchase. They were things that helped to sell the system to people at such a high price.

Like I said the only thing hurting the Ps3 is cost. The majority of gamers want a Ps3 just because it's a Ps3. Sony has sold so many PSX's and Ps2's that the people who adopted them will most likely adopt the Ps3 in the same way once it's affordable. Sony will be dropping more console movers than MS. The only real system seller is Halo 3. The other games are great for hardcore gamers, but casuals don't want a system for one game.

I really think the Ps3 will move a load of units in 08 when the real flagship titles come out. I was dead set on a 360 until hearing what everyone i knew was saying about how much they want a Ps3, but can't afford it yet.

People just like the Playstation name, and it's what they will go to assuming there is another price drop soon. If not, Sony may be left in the dust and have a ton of catching up to do.

 

[Rash]

As mentioned below you seem to be misinformed about the Nintendo 64 controller.

Jesus Christ, yer so i got the controller mixed up, yes now i remember that the N64 Controller had 1 Stick, that doesnt mean you can shy away from my point in my previous post so ill say it again but with the ammended "1 analogue Stick!" :
You mean like the wii controller didnt come with an analogue stick for use with those n64 back catalogue games? I bought 4 wii motes only to have to buy the classic controllers for the back catalogue of games, and does the classic remote come with rumble for n64 back catalogue releases? No, Whos Bitching about that? No One! At least now with sony we have a choice! With Nintendo for now you dont. So basically with my Wii I cant get the full experience with past games due to either wiimote not having analogue stick/not working at all with a lot of previous titles or wii classic controller not having rumble. The only way around it there could have been is to try and find an old shitty second hand n64 controller or buy a gamecube controller and even they dont work with all virtual console games so basically you have to buy a shit load of controllers for a near full experience on Wii. The Wii Full Back Catalogue experience seems worse to me. Probably why there havent been many back catalogue releases on virtual console!

Yer i know some of you would rather Sony have said " there isnt going to be rumble for PS3 because of a LawSuit etc" But no company is going to announce they are in the process of being sued.

Some PS3 Owners may feel shafted by Sony Because of rumble but they will get over it, some people on here just like to bitch even thought they dont own a PS3, But at least in the Near Furture new PS3 Owners will have the full experience with nextgen games and past titles wirelessly and with rumble and with original mapped keys unlike the Wii.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Sure it's not powerful enough for those features, but man it would have been sweet with dual outputs. Hooking 2 TVs up to play multiplayer FPS games would have been amazing and the other functions would have warranted (in my opinion) the $600 purchase. They were things that helped to sell the system to people at such a high price.

Like I said the only thing hurting the Ps3 is cost. The majority of gamers want a Ps3 just because it's a Ps3. Sony has sold so many PSX's and Ps2's that the people who adopted them will most likely adopt the Ps3 in the same way once it's affordable. Sony will be dropping more console movers than MS. The only real system seller is Halo 3. The other games are great for hardcore gamers, but casuals don't want a system for one game.

I really think the Ps3 will move a load of units in 08 when the real flagship titles come out. I was dead set on a 360 until hearing what everyone i knew was saying about how much they want a Ps3, but can't afford it yet.

People just like the Playstation name, and it's what they will go to assuming there is another price drop soon. If not, Sony may be left in the dust and have a ton of catching up to do.

OK I think we're diverging into fantasy land here, LOL. In the beginning it was just cost that was deterring people from buying PS3, but it's become more than that now. The year sans system selling games, for example, or the faux price drop, or the way Nintendo with their non-HD Wii is kicking the piss out of them in sales in every territory on the planet. In a big way, Playstation is starting to become a laughing stock, and it's the butt of jokes both in the industry and from the mouths of consumers. When I go into retail stores I don't hear people Oohing and Aaahing "ooh, Playstation 3!"; instead I hear "What a joke, 360 kicks its ass" or "Do you have any Wii's?" "No, but we have some PS3's" "No thanks, when will you be getting some Wii's?". Playstation was a super strong brand--and it still has drawing power, I'm not saying it doesn't--but it's losing its shine *fast*. Remember when the name "Nintendo" was untouchable in gaming? Nobody believed they'd get their asses handed to them? Yeah, me too, and they subsequently spent 2 generations as the butt of the industry's jokes (and for good reason). Sony's in the same spot today with Playstation.

I can't tell you how many PS2 owners I know who've adopted either 360 or Wii and have no desire to get a PS3, or who say "maybe when the slim comes out" (and I find myself in that camp as well, waiting for the slim because the phat is--well, it's fugly, for one, huge for another, but mostly it's too goddamn expensive). I'm kind of mind boggled that you claim Halo 3 is the ONLY system seller 360 has, because that is *clearly* not true. Oblivion was a system seller, FNR3 was a system seller, Bioshock, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, Gears of War was a MAJOR system seller, Mass Effect, GTA4, and numerous other titles I don't recall the names of. There are NUMEROUS system sellers on Xbox 360. Frankly, given how shitty the hardware quality is, I'm shocked that it's sold as well as it has, but the bottom line is that--depending on which numbers you believe--there are anywhere from 2-4 360's out there for every PS3, and except for in Japan, that gap gets larger every single month. More so for Wii, as well.

I also have to say that if you think Sony will be dropping more console movers than Microsoft will then you haven't been paying attention. There are *double* the number of exclusives in development for 360 as there are for PS3, so how do you expect there to be more movers on the PS3 side? The numbers alone are simply not there. In the case of Wii, there are *3* exclusives coming for every 1 PS3 exclusive. How does that add up to more console movers for PS3? Simple: It doesn't.

I think a price drop will help, but it has to be *substantial* and it has to be soon. I'm not talking about an 80GB drop to $499, I'm talking about the 80GB for $399, in time for the holidays. I suppose a 60 or 40GB would be OK too at that price, but I'm not sure how it makes sense from a manufacturing perspective, much less a marketing one. Time will tell, though.

For the forthcoming holiday I fully expect Xbox 360 to sell the most units and most games, because let's face it, the library is mature and LOADED with great titles. I expect Wii to come in with a close second on both hardware and titles--who knows, *maybe* more in hardware, but I don't see the attach rate catching up to 360's this christmas. Maybe xmas 2008. I don't see any place but last for PS3 this holiday, both in units moved and in attach rate. A price drop could pull it closer to 360, but I still don't see it surpassing it given the difference in quality between their libraries.

Anyway, fun to speculate, fun to watch

 

[Crighton]

News flash: we don't give guys a pass for cleaning up a mess they created. In this case, Sony's reason to exclude rumble was followed with some very colorful PR proclaiming that rumble isn't next-gen or unecessary compared to the "awesome" features of motion tilt.

I'm sure that many people appreciate Microsoft's new 3-year warranty when it comes to the RROD, but the general consensus is that the 360's hardware issues should have never surfaced in the first place.

Once again you shied away from the fact that: THEY COULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED IT INTO THE SYSTEM WITHOUT EITHER BREAKING THE LAW OR RAISING THE PRICE. This was the point of my statement. This was also another example of revisionist history on your part. I for one don't care for rumble so it has no bearing on my choice of system. I also believe that the Six-Axis control system is an advancement to game play. I don't think that it has been fully incorporated correctly yet, but this will be fleshed out in games to come. The six axis control system gives the player some additional controls to manipulate without adding more buttons to a controller. It lets the player do more things that can make a game more complex and challenging due to the fact that there are more things and combinations to use. The Rumble helps some players feel more immersed in a game because the vibrations suggest a sense of damage or resistance in the game. This doesn't help you play the game but for some it makes that game much more enjoyable to them. I don't share this view but I can see why some do. Now as far as complaining about Sony's PR about the reason why it wasn't included. It is called spin. have you never seen this before? When something that is negative is turned into a positive or vice versa this is called spin. They could see that players wanted it in the system but they couldn't put it in for legal reasons so they gave you an explanation that would look better than "we can't for legal reasons. Sorry" I don't see why you think this is such an offence to you. It happens every day and every press release you read is slathered in spin. Even your precious X-Box 360 does it non stop.

 

[deception``]

Once again you shied away from the fact that: THEY COULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED IT INTO THE SYSTEM WITHOUT EITHER BREAKING THE LAW OR RAISING THE PRICE.

Assuming what you say is true, Sony should have alluded to the cost of rumble as a factor. Instead, they talked about how rumble was obsolete and next-gen. They made rumble out to be a feature they could care less about, only to add it again less than a year into the products lifecycle. For the last time, nobody can fault a company for problems dealing with litigation but their own marketing and statements are not helping.

Also I think its worth noting that I [nor many, many people] refuse to give Microsoft a pass for their terrible hardware issues with the 360 [or things such as charging almost $200 for a 120GB HD]. Yes, I am a 360 owner but that is not an excuse.

Maybe one day you'll realize that not everyone makes a point to take shots at Sony alone; every company has done something particularly stupid this time with the exception perhaps being Nintendo. I'm sure you enjoy your PS3; that's perfectly fine. However, that does not mean that Sony has done themselves no favors in their overall handling of this console. Again, I love my 360, but I am not in denial of the fact that Microsoft has some real quality control issues this go around.