Sharp or LG: PC gaming LCD T.V.

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Hello,

SO for whatever reason I didn't buy the 32" sharp 700UN for 492.00 using bing cashback, and now it no longer exists.

however, I have heard some good things about LG TVson this forum, though finding specific models that do well for PC/PS3/Movies isn't as easy as I'd hoped.

So here I am. Should I stick with the sharp for ~600 now, or would LG offer me something better? If so, what models should I be looking for?

hoping to spend around 500 bucks.

Thank you!

-Sean
 
I snagged the Sharp during the final days of BCB, but I'd take a long hard look at the Sony Bravia 32EX400 ($549 at Newegg, $495 at Amazon).

The LG 32LD450 is $427 at Amazon w/free shipping. Another option is the Panasonic TC-L32U22 for $425.
 
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Aren't the Sharp models all S-PVA? How is the motion blur on them? I keep hearing they Sharp's tend to have low input lag but to me that's only half of the gaming equation (the other being pixel response).
 
Curious_George said:
Aren't the Sharp models all S-PVA? How is the motion blur on them? I keep hearing they Sharp's tend to have low input lag but to me that's only half of the gaming equation (the other being pixel response).
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Ya, their own unique VA renamed "ASV" panels.

Not sure how the pixel response is on these newer models, though i'm sure that info is completely buried somewhere at the AVS forums. I wonder how it's pixel response compares to the newest AUO VA panels. AUO seems to get a lot of respect in Asian tech forums.

Like i mentioned in that thread i linked above, the new LG LD450 comes with either a AUO VA panel or LG S-IPS (panel lottery). I'd almost rather get the AUO just to try out one of their newer panels.
 
It is customary at AVS Forums for the orignal poster to collect all of the important info into the the first post of each thread, so I would not call it burried. AVS is a fantastic resource if you have the time and patience to read through the mass of info there.

I personally do not care for Sharp's artificially generated fourth color yellow. It is just another Gimmic like AMP/Motion Flow and 3D.

Dave
 
If you're going to get a bravia see if you can get an ex700 series.. the LED backlight will go a LONG way to saving you $$ on your powerbill..
 
Weenis said:
If you're going to get a bravia see if you can get an ex700 series.. the LED backlight will go a LONG way to saving you $$ on your powerbill..
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Honestly it doesn't equate to much. On avereage the LED over LCD only yearns 15-25 a year less on an .11kwh electric bill. Also a there are 4 different types of LED lcd screens out and a good read needs to be done into them. I'll see if I can dig up the information. Two of which are your better off getting a ccfl monitor. Also the bulb span on most led monitors is rated half the longevity of ccfl. So that is something to take in account also.

BINGO FOUND THE REVIEW

Power consumption guide for LED LCD monitors

LCD vs LED HDTV Panel power consumption compared

Its crazy how a company can make say 5-6 different screens of the same size yet they consume a wide spectrum of wattage between the models. Vizio is a good example of one company. I noticed in the 32" LCD ccfl line that they range anywhere from like 70ish up to one model stating it consumes 120-240w. How can you have that much of a BROAD spectrum of usage is beyond me.

Of course you can conserve your electricity, buy having the monitor sleep when not in use which generally hardly uses anything more then 1 watt at most on average or even turning it off when not in use. You can also dim the monitor down as the brightness level is increased you cause it to use more power to light the bulbs to a hotter temperature.

But all in all if your comparing decent screens that are lcd vs led there isn't an excessive increase in power usage with a standard ccfl over an led screen. Most LED screens are also rated for half the bulb lifespan if you look that far into specs. So you could find yourself replacing the screen after the warranty runs out if you go LED while if you had an ccfl version you would be trucking on for twice as long for the most part. That's saying you don't replace it for something different over time or it doesn't die otherwise before the bulbs burn out.

So the chump change you saved over the last 4-5 years or so with going LED will bite you in the ass later because your going to be back in the store spending another $500 on either another LED or you will decide to go ccfl. That's saying in that time they will still have either type of display. Who knows where tech is going in 4-5 years from now.
 
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I bought a sharp 37" HDTV 3 years ago. Text looked especially bad on it because the subpixels are staggered so they do not form a rectangular pixel. Otherwise it was a good TV until it developed vertical black bars a 1 year old.
 
scgt1 said:
Most LED screens are also rated for half the bulb lifespan if you look that far into specs. So you could find yourself replacing the screen after the warranty runs out if you go LED while if you had an ccfl version you would be trucking on for twice as long for the most part.
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I thought it was generally accepted that LEDs lasted longer than CCFLs while also retaining their brightness over the course of their lifetime and having the additional benefit of reaching full brightness more quickly. This is the first I've heard about them not lasting as long as CCFL.
 
One thing I just recently heard about is Sharp is pushing a new technology called "uv2a" on there TVs. Supposedly higher static contrast and twice as good pixel response time. Perhaps someone more familiar with TVs or the technology can shed more light on this.
 
imyourzero said:
I thought it was generally accepted that LEDs lasted longer than CCFLs while also retaining their brightness over the course of their lifetime and having the additional benefit of reaching full brightness more quickly. This is the first I've heard about them not lasting as long as CCFL.
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Look at most tech specs for LED screens they are all average 30,000hrs with a very few being as high as 60,000 till half their brightness. Then take a look at several ccfl lcd's and notice most are 60,000 or higher with a select few being in the 50,000 spectrum until half brightness.

All I've ever heard is led bulbs last longer and use less wattage. Which is why many cities are changing out stop lights to led's and same with most cars these days having led bulbs in their tail lights.

Yet looking at TV specs it appears its not the same. Granted its a 50/50 tossup on if your tv will last until the bulbs burn out anyway with a 60,000hr life line being 24hrs a day for almost 7 years straight. So you figure close to 14 years before the ccfl bulbs in most panels burn out completely. That being said you will more then likely replace it twice at least during that time. Making the life line of bulbs really irrelevant. Considering you would probably only have it on a max of 12 hours a day and thats really pushing it. That being said your panel's bulbs could last 28 years possibly before they die. Its just the principle. Nothing more or less.

If you constantly have it on for some reason or another a lcd ccfl might be the better choice. But I would really read the review I posted about the 4 types of LED panels. Its a good and informative read and made me think twice about led. Considering the better ones are quite a bit more expensive. Which is where I started to factor the bulb life in with the cost ratio and I'm going with a Sony KDL32EX400. At $551 shipped and 5 year 3 Mon warranty for a refurb. Can't go wrong.
 
Points taken, but as you said it's probably a non-issue for most people because they will replace the TV or another component will fail before the lifespan of the LED becomes a factor. I wasn't aware there were 4 types of LED panels, but I think if you get one of the "good" types that the benefits of quicker warmup and slightly less power consumption are worthy of consideration for some people. Other people won't notice or care. It would be nice if my 3008WFP reached full brightness more quickly, but there's no way I'm giving up a gorgeous CCFL 30" IPS panel for a LED TN panel. So LED tech definitely shouldn't be the primary consideration unless power savings is the first priority, and I believe you showed where it wasn't that big of a deal anyway (in single monitors; now if we're talking several hundred or thousand that's another issue entirely).

I read your other thread, and I think you're making a good choice with the EX400.
 
im happy with my lg 37lh30, been using it for almost a year now as a gaming monitor. no noticeable input lag, motion blur is non-existent, very good colors and black levels(for an lcd).
 
imyourzero said:
Points taken, but as you said it's probably a non-issue for most people because they will replace the TV or another component will fail before the lifespan of the LED becomes a factor. I wasn't aware there were 4 types of LED panels, but I think if you get one of the "good" types that the benefits of quicker warmup and slightly less power consumption are worthy of consideration for some people. Other people won't notice or care. It would be nice if my 3008WFP reached full brightness more quickly, but there's no way I'm giving up a gorgeous CCFL 30" IPS panel for a LED TN panel. So LED tech definitely shouldn't be the primary consideration unless power savings is the first priority, and I believe you showed where it wasn't that big of a deal anyway (in single monitors; now if we're talking several hundred or thousand that's another issue entirely).

I read your other thread, and I think you're making a good choice with the EX400.
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Yea the power savings over a year are minisquel (sp) unless your a tree hugger or something. $15-$20 on average a year for led vs ccfl is hardly a reason to bargain toward the led. When the cost is so much more in the first place. I would wait several years for them to phase out ccfl and move more toward led and when prices drop to really want to pull the trigger on an led panel. I thought. I did alot of reading and comparisons between the two. To get a better version that actually will show increase in image quality your looking at average $250-$350 more over a standard ccfl. That $15-$20 per year savings in electricity is laughable at best.

You can always turn the ac up a degree when your not home or change all your bulbs out in your house to ccfl. That would add up to alot more savings then you would get from using an led over ccfl tv.
 
The Sharp 700UN can have terrible color smearing in the lower tones. It's a nice monitor, but the image quality takes a dive when there is motion in dark areas. Of course other monitors have their caveats as well. Hopefully OLED can deliver us from pixel response time and black level hell... ideally without putting us in burn-in hell!
 
thanks for all of the responses.

I went ahead and bought the LG---415$ shipped from amazon. Will let yall know how it turns out, thanks very much
 
krescent said:
thanks for all of the responses.

I went ahead and bought the LG---415$ shipped from amazon. Will let yall know how it turns out, thanks very much
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very intested in hearing what you have to say about it, as i'm looking to buy the same LG, i have prime too, so i get it for 400 even...

the 32LD450 that is

i will be using it as a gaming monitor 100%
 
goodcooper said:
very intested in hearing what you have to say about it, as i'm looking to buy the same LG, i have prime too, so i get it for 400 even...

the 32LD450 that is

i will be using it as a gaming monitor 100%
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cool man, will update u soon hopefully later today once i finish building my desk
 
goodcooper said:
very intested in hearing what you have to say about it
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T.V. is great. Very satisfied so far.

I can't give you a comprehensive review as I don't know much about displays.

Blacks look good, contrast is good. colors are very nice and the calibration wizard really helped me get set up as I probably wouldnt be able to tune it myself.

The TV moves pretty freely on the stand which is good--no chance of it toppling over while trying to twist it with one hand.

There is, however, a half inch "frame" around the screen when using it as a monitor in 16:9 mode, had to switch to 'cinema zoom' which doesnt seem to cut anything out either, just fills the border.
*EDIT: Fixed that problem, read next post

satisfied with the viewing angle as well.

response time seems fine, no issue there--but i am also a layman so maybe I just cant tell.

options and inputs are pretty basic but that's all I needed.

For the price, this is a fucking great gaming TV.


daddy-o said:
Big question, how sharp is the text!
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not very. would definitely recommend a second monitor for text unless you want your eyes to hurt. id say it's pretty typical LCDTV as far as text clarity, although I havent seen too many. Text in games (only played fallout so far) is perfectly well displayed though!

*EDIT: After 'filling the border', by using Just Scan and scaling the image in ATI CCC, the text looks MUCH better


Here are a few pictures, taken from my phone (so blurriness is likely the result of my handshaking--text in game looks wonderful):


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notice this picture is kind of warm, i beleive thats my camera, not the TV. compare to this:


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More tweaking is needed. Something isn't right when you need to select Cinema Zoom to fill the screen, cinema zoom is not the way to fix the well-known black border problem.

Look for a setting in your TV picture menu, it'll be called something like "full pixel or "just scan" or "dot for dot" or "screen fit" or some similar phrase, then set it to that, make sure it's NOT in that Cinema Zoom.

Then go into your video card control panel and dig for scaling options, play with that slider (or even try disabling scaling if you have to) till the picture fills the entire screen and looks crisp, including text.

If my advice doesn't make it look 100% sharp then hit up the official LD450 thread to see the settings they are using with their PC's.


Let us know how it works out because there's a few people that want to know what text looks like on a properly tweaked LD450 ;)
 
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people like you make the world go round...now where did i put the damn remote

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Using Just-Scan and scaling up in CCC, the text is twice as clear, looks MUCH better. thanks for the tip!
 
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