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SG01F Driving me nuts...

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WintersFury

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Nevermind, was just getting fustrated a bit too easially >.<
 
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Yes I did fail ;)

Was thinking the HDD cage could be removed from the case to remove the fan easier as the manual almost made it seem like you could. But nope, just needed a long screwdriver.

But now I'm trying to get my temps under control. I'm in the process of cranking up a q9300 and the temps went up about 10c+ (70-75c currently when stress testing) when I put it in the case.

And I could use a few opins on some things. I have a Zalman 8700 which is one of the flower type coolers and my power supply has a bottom mounted 120mm fan which I'm sure is causing some of the high temps since they would be fighting for the air since there is only about 1-1.5cm between the two.

So I was thinking of either flipping the PSU fan or completely replacing it with one not hooked up to the psu insides so it runs at a constant faster speed.

Is this a bad idea or shouldn't be a problem? I've had the psu in another computer for about 6mo so I don't think it's going to up and die on me all of a sudden so voiding the warranty shouldn't be an issue.


And perhaps you guys might know the answer to this. The fans I have are temp controlled with no way to defeat the temp sensors by just removing the sensor. So if I understand how these things work correctly, if I were just to cut the sensor off and short the two wires together it should cause the fans to run at 100% all the time?
 
that's about right for that cooler anyway. You certainly don't want to flip the PSU over.. it is fine where it is. In fact the case is meant for the NT06 which uses the PSU fan to suck up the heat. If you wanted to creative you can try reversing the zalman fan and see if that does anything (doubt it will).

You can override any fan with a simple fan controller software or just hook it up to a manual fan controller and disable the warning in the bios. At 100% load it is going to be running at 100% anyway so I like the feature. The temp sensor is in the CPU not the cooler, no? So don't damage that :)

How are the other fans set up in your case?
 
Steve, you are the man in the SFF forums... You always have something useful for like every question.

As for the PSU, not flipping the entire unit. Opening it up and flipping the fan so it's bringing in air to the 8700 instead of fighting with it for the airflow in that area of the case. I know it needs more fresh air since before I put the system in the case it was running over 10c cooler. I'm also going to turn off the PWM control and set it to 100% and see if that really helps the temps.

I guess perhaps I expected the cooler to be better than it in fact is. Perhaps I'll just revert to stock speeds since I know I can undervolt my CPU to at least 1.1v if not lower (Last mobo wouldn't go under 1.1v) Sure getting to 3ghz would be nice, but I'm not sure if would really net me any real gains in gaming and I'm not worried about how long my encoding takes me. Running a wattage calculator it seems like I'd be able to get the cpu under 80w no problem with undervolting... Now that might be the ticket.

As for the fans, their my 80mm case fans. I got some of the new Enermax Apollish fans which look really nice and are very bright led light wise. But they have a thermal diode that controls how fast they spin and they are not going anywhere close to 100% which I'm sure is hurting my temps. They apparently don't go to 100% until 55c which is ~130f and since their not little flat things but are kinda large and round and don't have long enough leads to really stick to things.
 
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Ha, thanks for the compliments. My SFFClub.com website will be coming back in Site2 (updates still going though). I've also reconnected with some manufacturers to get things going again including maybe reopening the store that was more popular than I was hoping :) (still will be called SFFStore.com)

I'd never recommend opening up a PSU and messing around with it. That is the best way for it to go boom! I don't think this would help anyway and only add heat to the case and possibly damage your PSU.

Yeah, the thermal fans can be a pain. Get a fan controller if you want to do control volume. I have one.

You also got to understand the SG01 is an old case with a few revisions along the way but basically the same thing. It has 3x80mm fans which provides probably 25CFM at 2050RPM..which you aren't getting but for the sake of argument lets say you are. One 120mm fan at full speed can do 40-50CFM. This is why the Micro Fly with the 80mm and the 120mm cools better or the same than the SG01. The SG04 has 2x120mm fans and cools 60-70% more (depending on the fans you get of course). So what does this all mean? Well, like I said, the SG01 is old and so is the MicroFly and Qpack. They cooled well in the day and do just OK now. Have the two top fans in the SG01 be exhaust and the side one be intake. This is your best bet with the case in my opinion (some argue to have the top fan be intake...i dunno about that). The SG04 is a newer case with better cooling. Really is that simple.

A cooler case will help with your temps more than voiding your PSU warranty will.

As a note, the new "Da Box" case has 2x120mm fans, 1x92mm side fan, and 1x92mm fan optional in the front. Probably a bit overkill. The Qmicra can hold 5x120mm fans!! WAY overkill. 2x120mm fans alone (as exhaust lets say) will replace the air in the case 100 times per minute at least.

Wow, what a long answer.
 
Cool, SFFClub V2, I'll be there :D

Yeah, I know what your saying about them poping. I used to muck around with the fans in psu's all the time till I had one pop on me. Though it was a cheapo *shrug*

I think I'll just get my current fans to 100% (Which the inflated specs say is 33cfm) and see what happens then. I may see about adding a 60mm fan to the side grill for air intake near the cpu/psu. I have the fans set up like you described, but I think their just going so slow right now that their not doing much (I can barely feel a breeze from them).

And I think I'll just undervolt and use that to help lower my temps as I doubt 500mhz will make much of a difference in gaming and I usually do my encoding / transcoding overnight so if it takes longer it doesn't matter for the most part as I'm sleeping. I think I got the cpu up to 2.7 or 2.8 at 1.1v in my old case when I was messing around with it for a bit. Took it back to stock as I didn't notice much of a difference though. And 2.7 @ 1.1v is even under stock wattage... Nice.
 
That sounds good...yeah the 33cfm is BS but that's ok...just crank it anyway. If too loud get some quieter fans. In fact, I got some noctua 80mm fans just sitting around if you want some. I'll send them to you free (just say how cool SFFStore is when I open again haha).

Yeah, SFFClub V2 will be nice. I got a alpha preview up at sffclub.com/forum (see my newest post). The forums will likely change in the coming months so don't worry about the inactivity. SilverStone seems happy I'm back in the game. I spoke with them yesterday :)
 
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