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robmarti25

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Hey, I have been building computers for years now but always iar cooled. I wanted my next to be water cooled.

Corsair 800D case:
SB 2600K: water cooled
GTX 580 SLI water cooled (probably buy the ones that the manufacture sells prebuilt for warranty purposes and ease.)

-Radiator:
-Fans:
-pump:
-reservoir:
-tubing, size?
-clamps:
-Blocks
anything else needed?

I want something that I can overclock some but otherwise just keep really cool with low volume, I would rather be better than the best air cooling with low volume than ridiculous ability to overclock with a tornado. I have a flexible budget. Willing to do radiator outside on top of case.

I was thinking 2*140 fan radiator, swiftech pump, a reservoir to put in 5.25 bays ( I would like one that is very easy to refill and maintain.)

I would like suggestions on parts, I have been reading but also if you know a good source to learn more about water cooling, especially need for long term care.

thanks
 
Radiators: You're probably going to need at least a 3x120 and a 2x120 for that stuff, which you can technically fit inside the 800D with a little modding. If you don't want to mod, I would just go with two 3x120s and mount one externally. I'm partial to XSPC rads - RX series for performance, RS series for cost and size.

Fans: Gentle Typhoons are the popular choice for performance and they're generally pretty quiet. They aren't cheap, though. Thicker, more dense rads also need higher speed/static pressure fans, so it really depends on rad choice.

Pump: There are two popular choices - the Swiftech MCP-355 and the MCP-655. The 355 has lower flow but better head, is smaller, is noisier, and produces more heat than the 655. Both are great pumps, so of course you need to determine what works better for you.

Res: If you want a bay res, again XSPC has many popular variants available. There are even some that allow the pump to be mounted in the same housing.

Tubing: Size really doesn't matter in terms of performance - the differences are negligible. In my opinion, and that of many others, smaller tubing is easier to work with. Tygon brand is very good quality and popular, but other brands are great, too. I use black PrimoChill tubing, personally.

Clamps: Well, you obviously don't need clamps if you use compression fittings, but if you go with barbs it's up to you. I like worm clamps since they're about as secure as you can get.

Blocks: Depends on how much you want to spend. Some popular CPU blocks include the EK Supreme HF (excellent all around performer), Swiftech Apogee XT (very restrictive), Heatkiller 3.0, and the XPSC Rasa (great performance for less cost). Of course there are many others available, but again these are the more popular ones.

For vendors, here are a few to check out:
sidewindercomputers.com
jab-tech.com
svc.com
dangerden.com (also a manufacturer)
koolertek.com
frozencpu.com
performance-pcs.com
and plenty others...

Besides this site, some other forum resources include:
overclock.net
www.xtremesystems.org
realredraider.com
overclockers.com
and again there are others...

Also, another fantastic resource is Skinnee Labs. There is also Martin's archived site.
 
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You can get away with one 3x120 for that setup. I would suggest a D5 pump with an EK top, it is pretty much unbeatable.
 
Cruiza said:
You did see that he has TWO 580s, right?
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He doesn't specifically say two, but if it is two, it's doable if he gets the right setup. I have a i7 980x, two GTX 580's and a MB cooler running on one Feser quad with no problems and all OC'ed. I realize that he is talking a Triple but it is doable depending upon his OC'ing and ambient temps and overall setup. I would use the biggest Res possible, a push-pull fan configuration and a D5 pump. Of course if he can fit a Quad, that would be the best bet.
 
True. I took "SLI" and "ones" to mean two cards. It sounds like the OP is concerned about noise, though, so I have my doubts about a low-noise 360 being able to handle all that (again assuming two cards). I could be wrong, though!
 
Cruiza said:
True. I took "SLI" and "ones" to mean two cards. It sounds like the OP is concerned about noise, though, so I have my doubts about a low-noise 360 being able to handle all that (again assuming two cards). I could be wrong, though!
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As you probably know, some Rads are designed to work with low speed fans so that should not be much of an issue. In my system I use push only and the Feser takes it all in stride. Having said that, if I could fit a Triple in, I would and it would be silent, so I see it both ways.
 
hey sorry for the late reply, thanks for all the help. I definitely want to use atleast 2 video cards and right now I am looking at the 580's. Again I dont want to overclock significantly and lose the quietness. If i did a 4*120 i would probably have to put it on top to be sure without modding? Do you think a push/pull fans system would be too loud in that case? I have a push/pull air cooler for my CPu right now so i understand the concept but how does it work for radiator. one set of fans on each side? so that would be 8 fans? If the radiator is external, our all the fans external alsoor just one set? Is push pull necessary if I went with 3*120 in top and 2*120 outside on back with just a push system? Which would you think would be more effective balance with cooling and sound?

I would not like to modify if I dont have to. Want to keep it simple.

Otherwise thanks for the recommendations. I think the radiator is the most condusing part for me. Also if i was going to use 2 radiators in a single loop for cpu and 2 video cards, what ordered would it all go in for best cooling?
 
robmarti25 said:
hey sorry for the late reply, thanks for all the help. I definitely want to use atleast 2 video cards and right now I am looking at the 580's. Again I dont want to overclock significantly and lose the quietness. If i did a 4*120 i would probably have to put it on top to be sure without modding? Do you think a push/pull fans system would be too loud in that case? I have a push/pull air cooler for my CPu right now so i understand the concept but how does it work for radiator. one set of fans on each side? so that would be 8 fans? If the radiator is external, our all the fans external alsoor just one set? Is push pull necessary if I went with 3*120 in top and 2*120 outside on back with just a push system? Which would you think would be more effective balance with cooling and sound?

I would not like to modify if I dont have to. Want to keep it simple.

Otherwise thanks for the recommendations. I think the radiator is the most condusing part for me. Also if i was going to use 2 radiators in a single loop for cpu and 2 video cards, what ordered would it all go in for best cooling?
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I am not familiar with the Corsair case, but a Quad will handle your needs. Mine is in the bottom of my TJ07 with push only and it keeps everything cool. I have two different BIOS settings along with two different fan settings.
 
Here are the parts I have seen and was wondering on for help:

The danger den: monsoon: daul bay res with pump built in: I believe it is for the D5 pump which everyone says is excellent. Is this as good as the XSPC dual bay with a seperate D5 pump? I want the best is a reasonable fashion for cooling. I would rather go with parts that are integrated to save space and tubing. Any thoughts?

Radiator: I was looking at the blackIce series through dangerden: I was going to try to do 4*120 or a 3*140. First do you think that is enough for CPU and 2 cards for noise and cooling with some overclocking and very cool temperatures. I want this system to be cold, or should I just do split rads for that requirement. If one is enough, do you much of a difference between the blackice GTX (extreme) and GTS (stealth) series? much difference with noise and cooling? they have a 3*140 stealth and then a 3*140 and 4*120 extreme. Also if I go with one, does anyone know if this fits inside top of a 800d case?

pump: going with DD d5 pump, seems everyone agrees you dont get any better than that!

worm fitting clamps.

3/8 tubing for more workability (people say 1/2 doesnt make a difference for cooling or sound?)

What do you guys think? How much louder/quieter will this typoe of system be compared to pure air colled system with aftermarket fan for CPU? Temps that much better?

thanks
 
Noise depends largely on fan choice. The GTX rads have relatively high fin density I believe, thus they require stronger fans. I think you might be able to fit a 480 rad on the top of your case, but you would only be able to use three fans since there are only three fan holes in the top panel. I have the 700D, which is basically identical to the 800D, so I can do some measuring tonight. It sounds like a push/pull setup with three fans on each side of a 480 rad should handle your hardware.
 
The 700/800D would need the top cut for the 480 and to make it usable. If you want to use low speed fans get an RX360 or RX480 it'll be a tight fit, but you can do push/pull.

You could cut out the whole top and use a shroud to give you more clearance and space up top - http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=23763

Res - http://www.performance-pcs.com/cata...oduct_info&cPath=59_318_665&products_id=27998
Pump - http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3112
Rad - http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=25389 or http://www.performance-pcs.com/cata...t_info&cPath=59_457_667_671&products_id=25390
Tubing - 7/16 ID ( I've only used PrimoChill and haven't had issues)
Fittings - Barbs 1/2" or compression 7/16"
Clamps - zip ties or compression fittings
Block - CPU whatever your budget is and the GPU's you said will already have blocks
Fans - Scythe Gentle Typhoons
 
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If i do the 4*120 on top, how do I mount it? I also put 3 fans inside like normal and then 3 fans outisde on top of the radiator and have the inside fans pushes air out and the fans on top of the rad pulling air up. So i dont have to have fans on the whole part of the radiator?

The res looks good so I can place the pump inside it.

What would be the best order of parts with cooling the cpu and 2 video cards?

thanks
 
You'd mod the case like this so you can mount the shroud on top, the holes are drilled to mount and secure the shroud -

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So it would be something like below. You can choose to just cut out the 120mm space you need for the 480 rad or cut the whole grill out - Taken from a build on OCN.

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Order of parts? You mean loop order? I have mine as res -> pump -> rad -> CPU -> gpu's -> rad.
 
thanks for the pics. I was looking at overclock and also google and youtube videos. There seem to be setup with radiator and fans inside without mod. The fans seem to be above the radiator, so they pull air out of system or into????

Also from the pics you showed me, is that setup on top just for the fans? I.E for the pull (of push/Pull) part of the set up to pull air out, and the radiator and other fans go inside? Do I really need to that type of mod to add second fans?

I am not sure a 4*120 fits inside case, does anyone have clear yes or no answer on that?

thanks guys, I am ready to buy so getting these last few details ready.
 
You can fit a 360 up top and a 120 off the back exhaust pretty easily. You can also mod a 240 into the bottom HDD rack if you want to chop the case up.

You can fit a 480 in the case but you will have to chop the top.
 
I was thinking of doing an all-in one (either the new h60 when reviews come out, antec 6290 or coolit 120 with dual fans for the CPU and then up top a 360 custom for the 2 video cards. That way i dont have to mod, and can add a third video card if I want later without having to redo entire setup. ANy thoughts on that plan? thanks
 
A 480mm rad will fit up top you just have to cut out the 120mm space for it so you can make use of the rad.

The reason you add a shroud is because sometimes it can be a very tight fit with fans in push/pull on a very thick rad like an RX360 or RX480. With the shroud you place all the fans in first then secure the shroud by screwed it into the case. Once you've done that you have to mount the top fans under the shroud to the rad and then you can finally mount the fans under the rad so you have enough space for push/pull. It's not that hard or complicated if you want an optimal setup just go for it.
 
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