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Setting up a SATA drive

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xomegax

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Ok, I just bought my first SATA drive. A WD 10000RPM 74GB Raptor (C:). I also have a WD 120GB SE 7200RPM IDE as my secondary drive (D:) This is my first time dealing with SATA drives, so how the hell do you set them up with an IDE drive present in the system? I know how to install them in the case and all that good stuff, but what do you do with the setup to get it ready to install windows (with bios, master/slave, etc). I've read a lot of people having problems with an IDE drive in the system, is this true?

BTW I'm using an IC7-MAX3, so I have onboard SATA. Thanks for any help you can give me.
 
I haven't done this, so correct me if I'm wrong. Go into the BIOS select your primary boot drive as your primary SATA channel. You could then install an OS on that drive, using the SATA drivers that came with your motherboard, and copy all your needed files over to the Raptor.
 
ARGH, I can't get XP to label the SATA drive as c:, where on the ic7-max3 bios do you set the sata as the primary boot? I found something called HDD boot priority, and stuck the Onboard SATA as number 1, but it doesn't affect the drive selection. Windows keeps giving me the IDE as the c: and the SATA as the d:. How do you fix this so the SATA is c:? =(
 
read my link. the information i and ice posted is what you need to know.

now the bios part of it can be a bit confusing. you may need to set ide boot device then device priorty. so if you have 3 ata devices (1 sata, 2ide), then you need to set the order. obviously, you want sata (it will be identified by the product id installed) first. after this is set then you can proceed on to the boot priority. this usual has floppy, cdrom, ide, scis, pxe, etc.
 
Ok, I'm really confused on how you set up this drive in bios. I can't get windows to boot unless ALL the IDE devicies are turned off and only the SATA drive is turned on. When the other drives are enabled, when booting to windows you see the post screen, the SATA drive makes a grinding sound, and then all you do is look at a black screen and it locks before you see any windows loads. So my question is, how do you set up the SATA drive in an IC7-MAX 3 bios? I can't figure out what to enable, and what not to... the manual, doesn't really help either. Thanks for any help you can give.
 
You dont set SATA drives up in the BIOS, in fact there isn't much setup unless they're in a RAID configuration. After POST you should see a screen that says something about your SATA controller and your drive should show up there and you should have the option of pressing CTRL + S to enter the SATA setup. In the BIOS to set your SATA drive to be the boot device you have to select SCSI since SATA is treated and works similiar to SCSI in it's setup. If your having trouble booting off the SATA device did you install the driver for your SATA controller during the Windows installation? Where you press F6 at the very beginning of the installation it has to be installed then or corruption and/or BSOD's are sure to happen. I've heard about the problems with mixing IDE HDD's and SATA HDD's but I haven't tried both in a machine at the same time.
 
Ok, I did install the SATA driver, because it works fine in windows ALONE, I was able to boot to windows with all the other devicies (cd rom, etc), but I can't get it to boot with the IDE HDD enabled. Anyone know how to fix this problem?
 
Ok, so I tried to set up the system with just the SATA in SATA1, and the CD-RW in IDE 1, and the DVD in IDE2, I get the same problem that I do with the IDE HDD in IDE 1, after post I get a black screen and the system locks. The only way I was alowed to boot up into windows was when the bios was set that the SATA drive was considered the master of IDE1... so how do you get the system to reconigze that the SATA is the HDD to use and NOT IDE1. Like I said, I can only get the SATA drive to work with the other IDE devicies if and only if the SATA is the master to IDE 1. I'm really confused, someone help me pelase =(
 
i am at school right now. i will get back to your answer. i can tell you that tdg is incorrect and a little confused of the comprehension of the devices. i can say that i am positive that your answer is in the manual and a little reading may help you understand your system better.

honestly, it is really simple. soon you will see why. even if the path is for native operation and non-raid ready. even with raid enabled and/or ready.
 
Don't wanna highjack the thread but it's prob easier to ask a quick question here than to start a new one. I just ordered a 74 raptor myself and am planning on getting Norton Ghost and just making a complete copy of my drive now onto the raptor. After doing that would I then follow your instructions in the BIOS and set it as the primary drive and then it will automatically boot off my raptor? I then want to make my 80 gig Seagate just a storage drive for music and such. Any advise on a newbie when it comes to this stuff? All advice is appreciated. Thanks.

JasonG

PS- Is Ghost the best program I can use to copy over my old HD to the new?
 
one reason why, tdg, is incorrect is there are two levels of the sata integration with the ic7-max3. you have the native integration with the ich5r and the silicon raid solution. you can easily boot off the ich5r either in raid, raid ready (which i recommend at least if not raid), or sata using default ide drivers from the inf installation utility.

now, if everything is connected correctly. sata connected to the ich5r and not the silicon raid solution, then the bios settings should fairly simple. according to your manual page 2-17 the first port is the bottom one, sata1. located right of the ich5r.

on to the next part bios. ide channels should all be defaulting to auto, which is the correct setting and should be left unchanged. 3-7 is the bios settings that i was trying to describe eariler. you need to match, as i was trying to describe, the hard disk to boot from and the hard disk priority. the selection for bootable add in device is ambiguous. the correct one for the ich5r should be "on chip." "on board" is for the silicon raid solution.

the first, second, etc. boot device bios option, make sure that the hard drive is set correctly. honestly i always never boot from cd-rom and floppy so i take the options out and have only the sata that i boot from. if need changes the fact. then i go into options and select the new boot order and back again to the original.

3-13 has settings you also need to configure. on chip serial ata mode should be at raid-even for non raid. this way you can install raid ready and use the beneficial prefechting driver. on chip serial you want to enhanced to gain all the ide and sata devices. one thing i note is the bus master might default to disabled. set this to enable.

when you have these options correct then the booting issue will be solved. the windows installation issue that some have? read what i posted previous in the link. make sure you read fully ice's information. it contains very informative information that you should now throughout your computing life.

the second part the tdg was incorrect about was the drivers installation for raid and/or scsi. i would have the raid driver ready, disk inserted. when propted hit the key and have the driver installed. this will palce you in raid ready. the system will use the dirver which is more robust. the manual can help much read it. you have it for a reason.

good luck im tired and i will try to get to the other person's question. man....am i tired.....
 
Originally posted by shaihulud
i can tell you that tdg is incorrect and a little confused of the comprehension of the devices. <snip>

one reason why, tdg, is incorrect is there are two levels of the sata integration with the ic7-max3. you have the native integration with the ich5r and the silicon raid solution. you can easily boot off the ich5r either in raid, raid ready (which i recommend at least if not raid), or sata using default ide drivers from the inf installation utility.

the second part the tdg was incorrect about was the drivers installation for raid and/or scsi. i would have the raid driver ready, disk inserted. when propted hit the key and have the driver installed. this will palce you in raid ready. the system will use the dirver which is more robust. the manual can help much read it. you have it for a reason.
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Yes, I am correct, for setting up using the Silicone Image controller, in which he did not specify which he was using. Besides the one integrated into the southbridge is not as good as the SiI, and the folks at Storagereview have found that integrated controllers take a performance hit as well over the non-integrated-into-southbridge type. No reason to use it unless your hanging more SATA devices than the SiI can handle.

Second, having the floppy disk inserted at the point vs waiting for it to ask you does NOTHING different. This is frankly, a retarded answer. He's not using RAID so why would he even need the said mysterious "raid ready" mode with a "more robust" driver? You sir, need to read the manual.

Back to the question. Put your optical drives on the second controller and try to leave the primary IDE controller unused. Then use the Silicone Image controller instead of the integrated one, follow the setup I described and your gold. This setup as worked the best for the machines I've built using SATA, you can PM me if you need a better explanation.
 
some have shown worse performance, specially, controllers on the pci bus. the ich5r is good overall and a better choice for the user than the silicon considering he is not running raid and is using a single drive (raptor). so it would not be adviseable at all.

yes, you are confused. bios options and explanations-specially raid ready. your second paragraph has no criticizing ability and frankly shows your ignorant position.

i would first learn what raid ready is and then compare it to normal native ata mode the inf's will enumerate. once you learn this, then you can criticize the bios options, and various modes of the ich5r with me.

Second, having the floppy disk inserted at the point vs waiting for it to ask you does NOTHING different. This is frankly, a retarded answer. He's not using RAID so why would he even need the said mysterious "raid ready" mode with a "more robust" driver? You sir, need to read the manual.
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"RAID Ready"?
A "RAID Ready" system is a specific system configuration that enables a seamless migration from a single non-RAID disk drive to a dual disk drive RAID 0 volume.

In order for a system to be considered "RAID Ready", it must meet all of the following requirements:
System with a supported Intel chipset (currently a chipset with an Intel® 82801ER I/O Controller Hub) and one Serial ATA (SATA) hard drive
Motherboard BIOS that includes the Intel RAID Option ROM
Intel Application Accelerator RAID Edition
RAID Controller enabled in the BIOS

http://support.intel.com/support/chipsets/iaa_raid/sb/CS-009337.htm

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=720660

who is being retarded now?
 
Originally posted by shaihulud
some have shown worse performance, specially, controllers on the pci bus. the ich5r is good overall and a better choice for the user than the silicon considering he is not running raid and is using a single drive (raptor). so it would not be adviseable at all.
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Decent article here with nearly an identicle setup the the original posters. While Sandra is questionable with benchmarking drives, HDTach is not. Both of them show either head-to-head performance or a slight advantage for the SiL controller in a single drive Raptor setup. Either way it would be basically unnoticable so whichever.

Originally posted by shaihulud
i would first learn what raid ready is and then compare it to normal native ata mode the inf's will enumerate. once you learn this, then you can criticize the bios options, and various modes of the ich5r with me.
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OK, I'll give you that one. While I'd be wary of moving right from a single drive to RAID0 without any kind of reinstall if that works then it's quite a nice feature. Thanks for the linkage :)
 
honestly, i even dont like the idea of migration either (i like to always start from scratch and build a good foundation). but it does work and many have had succesful attempts so far. strange and funny since so many cant seem to boot off a sata drive.

this is where my reading white papers come handy. i do not know what the pci clock in the gigabyte motherboard defaults at (asus e.g. has it 64 with the p4c800-e). the reason why i say this is the sata and the ide controller on the ich5r are hard coded for 32 clocks. so the configuring of the pci clock could give, obviously, slightly different results.
interesting eh?

if that is the case then it would seem that there is a possiblity that the ich5r is more efficient than we think. here is another good one. note the silicon does well here also: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/display/controllers-raid0.html

there is one more thing, benchmarking cant test the load of your system. the efficiency is what i am talking about. although, one may be faster. one can also bog your system into to much work. i would be interested in how many interrupts are called and bus saturation, etc. curious, what the load between the two would be? which one does more system usage waste?

cant always go by benchmarking. im sure you dont really, maybe you do? but what i learned to do is learn the real information of the hardware (not that many people know about the hard coding of the clocks on the controllers for instance). then i can make a decision of what is better. that is why i saw the ich5r is better overall.
 
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