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SED moves along, comes closer.
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BadDog said:Wanna bet? If they know they can move ten's of thousands of SEDs and make $$$ we will be seeing them soon.
This will be my next monitor that NO LCD lamer can approach and match
Possibly in the TV market but thats about it. LED will be next for monitors and then laser technology. SED is not even being talked about much anymore.
Also who is gonna buy tens of thousands of these when everyone just went out and bought an LCD or Plasma TV???
travbomb said:
Unfortunately I think you are correct. People buy on price first and LCD will maintain a huge lead for some time to come.
I love SED and would like to have one. But they are really only gearing up for the 2008 Olympics and that is if they don't slip again. And only one model is mentioned A 55" inch that they are "trying" to be competitive with similar sized/resolution plasma, and one of the reasons they are late is because they are trying to cost reduce to remain competitive. Which can turn into a race out of existence as it is much easier for real production technologies to cost reduce faster than prototypes. The in production technologies will keep dropping as they keep tweaking the SED prototypes.
I expect the 2008 debut will have them priced near the top of 50"-60" 1080p plasmas, which is to say, hideously expensive, I expect a price between $5000 and $10000. I doubt we will ever see SED computer monitors even after the get the cost down significantly. There is just not that many people willing to pay triple the cost for improved image quality.
travbomb said:
QFT!!
SED is taking too long to get to the market. The SED TVs that are being shown have very large pixels. SED technology is not even close to being able to reproduce the tiny pixels that current LCD monitors display. LED displays are going to shoot right past SED and become the screen of choice.
One of the reasons for the continuing delay is that that Toshiba/Canon is well aware of the fast falling LCD prices, and have put off earlier production in favor of refining their production techniques to reduce cost. They continue to swear that pricing will be in line with other screen types. They also continue to swear that these screens will be mass produced in 2008 with limited availablilty at the end of 2007.
I miss the picture that my old 21" CRT could produce, but my current 24" wide LCD is bigger and has better brightness and perfect focus all across the screen. Not to mention it consumers less power for its increased size.
Toshiba and Canon have billions invested in SED. It's not just some flash in the pan technology that won't see the light of day. There has been far too much money spent to not produce a product. The only questions left are WHEN and HOW MUCH MONEY. Those two questions will determine whether SED becomes the standard or not.
Personally... I want one. And I'm willing to pay for it.
I miss the picture that my old 21" CRT could produce, but my current 24" wide LCD is bigger and has better brightness and perfect focus all across the screen. Not to mention it consumers less power for its increased size.
Toshiba and Canon have billions invested in SED. It's not just some flash in the pan technology that won't see the light of day. There has been far too much money spent to not produce a product. The only questions left are WHEN and HOW MUCH MONEY. Those two questions will determine whether SED becomes the standard or not.
Personally... I want one. And I'm willing to pay for it.
Advil said:
There is no doubt there will be SED TVs showing up in the market place. I just don't see it getting a large market share before it is replaced by something newer. Even if SED TVs come out at a competitive price, LCD and Plasma manufacturers will just drop their prices more.
I have the strong feeling that Toshiba and Canon are going to end up losing their asses on SED technology.
travbomb said:
Dude, you don't know what you are talkin' about. SED has already blown away LED LCD technology in a side by side contest between the two ( Samsungs latest LED-powered LCD.) The SED shited all over the LED LCD in every measurable category. It was NO CONTEST.
Excerpt from a witness:
"Trust me, it wasnt a fair fight, although the Toshiba people admitted they made no attempt to calibrate the plasma and LCD monitors for this shoot out. The SED won hands down it had no discernable motion artifacts, exhibited deep, rich colors, a super-dark level of black, and plenty of image detail and contrast. Plus, it used much less power in doing all this, if you could believe the large green LED display of real-time power consumption that was included in the demo."
People will buy SED because people want the BEST technology (and they are tired of dead pixels)
BadDog said:Dude, you don't know what you are talkin' about. SED has already blown away LED LCD technology in a side by side contest between the two ( Samsungs latest LED-powered LCD.) The SED shited all over the LED LCD in every measurable category. It was NO CONTEST.
Excerpt from a witness:
"Trust me, it wasnt a fair fight, although the Toshiba people admitted they made no attempt to calibrate the plasma and LCD monitors for this shoot out. The SED won hands down it had no discernable motion artifacts, exhibited deep, rich colors, a super-dark level of black, and plenty of image detail and contrast. Plus, it used much less power in doing all this, if you could believe the large green LED display of real-time power consumption that was included in the demo."
People will buy SED because people want the BEST technology (and they are tired of dead pixels)
Dude, trust me I get my info from better sources than your eye witness articles.
Secondly the best technology does not become a priority over economics. Companies are in business to make money not give you the best technology. This has been proven by LCD's replacing CRT's even though they can't produce better picture or quality.
Third, the majority of consumers are willing to settle for what is offered to them whether it is better technology or not. The majority = $$$$$$$$$$$. The 100 people worried about SED = $.
Besides all of that they are only looking at this tech for really large television screens. This is not even being talked about for monitors.
travbomb said:
Huh? Two years ago Toshiba talked about a 50" being their first commercial release. They never said anything about limiting size to large TV's. Since then they have produced demos in the 24-36 inch range which currently is a HOT size for gamers. There is a SED plant under construction to produce SED screens now.
SED is the future for gamers because it has none of the LCD limitations, especially in black-white response times.
I really can't get excited about any of these new technologies until I can go online or a local electronics B&M and have a good selection at fair prices. I remember all the plasma talk back in the late 90's but I really didn't pay attention or get excited until a couple years ago when all the major (and a few minor) makers were onboard and prices started getting sane. Wake me up in few years when I can get a nice 24-30" SED monitor for around $600.
Source doesn't matter when those things have been empirically saw to be true.travbomb said:
And as it's been said, there's lot money put onto SED from canon-toshiba, and thet won't just quit now unless their engineering teams completely fail to decrease costs.
Cuthalu said:
They show technology at shows all the time that either never comes out or doesnt come out for 5-6 years afterward. R&D is a guessing game at best anyway. Toshiba and Canon are clearly reaching here trying to do whatever they can to actually be a player in this market.
More importantly Economics controls all of this. Better or not. It is where more money can be made and until everyone switches their computer monitors and TV's over to LCD and Plasma from tubes and projectoin screens there is no reason for a new technology.
Why doesnt someone show me a link of something that states when and where this technology is going to happen.
"They show technology at shows all the time that either never comes out or doesnt come out for 5-6 years afterward."
Yes, in some cases, but lets hope that in this case it won't be 5-6 years.
"More importantly Economics controls all of this."
Yes, I did say in my post that economics do matter.
"It is where more money can be made and until everyone switches their computer monitors and TV's over to LCD and Plasma from tubes and projectoin screens there is no reason for a new technology."
I don't understand how it matters at all whether people have switched to lcd or not. SED is still good product when compared to CRT. That's for sure because many people think TFT is good compared to CRT, when it in many cases is not.
When there's room for improvement, there's room for new technology. And of course, if customers want it, and SED is something many will want - assuming that in some period of time the price will be good.
Yes, in some cases, but lets hope that in this case it won't be 5-6 years.
"More importantly Economics controls all of this."
Yes, I did say in my post that economics do matter.
"It is where more money can be made and until everyone switches their computer monitors and TV's over to LCD and Plasma from tubes and projectoin screens there is no reason for a new technology."
I don't understand how it matters at all whether people have switched to lcd or not. SED is still good product when compared to CRT. That's for sure because many people think TFT is good compared to CRT, when it in many cases is not.
When there's room for improvement, there's room for new technology. And of course, if customers want it, and SED is something many will want - assuming that in some period of time the price will be good.
Economics is correct... How do you think that dell & chimei/cmv sell so many, uh, pathetic monitors? Price, price, & only price imo. Plus people who are easily satisfied. Some comments such as "My monitor has a 10 to 15mm black burnt area across the top of my screen. What should I do, keep it?" are common on dell's monitor forum. We have to say, send it back for exchange. Under our breaths we say, you dumb idiot. I would love to have shares in these coys. as it seems to have been proven that price sells.
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KevinR100 said:
I disagree with the economic spin. It isn't price driving LCD's, but their slim size. CRT's have been in a rut for a while, but will resurface and destroy the LCD market. New chips out now allows big CRT TV's to reduce their depth by 30%. AND SED will change the entire game.
As far as the economic side, CRT will win that too because CRT manufacturing is much cheaper per unit than LCD or plasma by far. Just a matter of time when CRT's come out nice and slim like the LCD and game will be over for TFT panels because they cannot compete with the unlimited performance ability of a CRT at CRT prices.
It is economics in my book which is why I see slim chance for SED.
If you look at LCDs sold, the majority are TN (cheapest) followed by stong minority of VA (next cheapest) followed by a small minority of IPS (most expensive) and we are only talking a difference of hundred dollars between them.
Throw in SED at $5000+ in 2008 and it will be small numbers throw in only one plant building them and it will be small numbers.
Beyond 2008 there won't be much push into the computer monitor space which is already a low end, commodity cheap panel make hardly any profit margin business.
While SED tries to makes it's way down market a strong competitor will be coming up market. OLED. Already in small devices. It solves most of the same issues as SED. Emissive technology without backlight (no bleed, perfect blacks) fast response, perfect viewing angles. They just need to get life to acceptable levels. In a generation or two it should even be cheaper than LCD.
I predict OLED as the eventual LCD replacement for monitors and maybe even big screens. Lifetime of blue is improving dramatcially (the weak link in the chain):
http://www.oled-info.com/node/954
If you look at LCDs sold, the majority are TN (cheapest) followed by stong minority of VA (next cheapest) followed by a small minority of IPS (most expensive) and we are only talking a difference of hundred dollars between them.
Throw in SED at $5000+ in 2008 and it will be small numbers throw in only one plant building them and it will be small numbers.
Beyond 2008 there won't be much push into the computer monitor space which is already a low end, commodity cheap panel make hardly any profit margin business.
While SED tries to makes it's way down market a strong competitor will be coming up market. OLED. Already in small devices. It solves most of the same issues as SED. Emissive technology without backlight (no bleed, perfect blacks) fast response, perfect viewing angles. They just need to get life to acceptable levels. In a generation or two it should even be cheaper than LCD.
I predict OLED as the eventual LCD replacement for monitors and maybe even big screens. Lifetime of blue is improving dramatcially (the weak link in the chain):
http://www.oled-info.com/node/954
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ive been waiting for SED for a long time. i am still excited about the technology and i will probably get it for a tv when it comes out. for now i will buy a new lcd monitor for both computer and console gaming and possibly even high def cable tv and movies
Snowdog said:
OLED is fantastic technology, just expensive as hell to manufacture. You can make really incredible slim panels with that material (see below). SED will have the cost advantage in the large screen market, especially with its incredible contrast ratios.
BadDog said:
OLED currently (because it is new) costs about 1.5 times the cost to manufacture as LCD, but has the potential to be the most inexpensive once the processes are ramped to large scale. Essentially OLED is done with a super ink jet printer. No backlights, no polarizer layer. Just a sheet of plastic with printed on OLED layer.
OLED will be the most inexpensive technology in a few years. I seriously can't imagine SED having a cost advantage. It is certainly much more complex to build.
Either way. I will be happy. Both SED and OLED fix my issues with LED. Poor viewing angles, backlight issues, poor blacks and speed.
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i really miss the crt technology that doesnt show any screen tears in games (100hz+ ftw). but i dislike the size of it. my dell 2007wfp have screen tears in games. (no i dont want to enable vsync, it makes mouse accuracy worse.) if any of the new flat panel display technology can get rid of screen tears in games, im definitely getting one.