Seagate ES vs Seagate Non ES

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rersoap

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I just noticed that New Egg has the seagate 320gb ES on sale for $95 and did a price check at zip and saw the non ES at $99.99. Is the ES better than the reg. 7200.10 or the other way around? I did some quick searches and could not find the answer. Thanks. rich
 
from what I can gather, with prices being the same, ES may be the way to go. By the way, this is going into a new box, e6600, asus p5b deluxe, corsair 620w, ram and video card not picked yet. Also, most likely an Antec p180b. In case any of that makes a difference. Also, this will be for a soho.
 
If you've only got one or two drives there should be no difference. The difference is in vibration tolerance.
 
Thanks, with the ES actually being a little cheaper, I think I will go that route. Thanks for the help.
 
rersoap said:
Thanks, with the ES actually being a little cheaper, I think I will go that route. Thanks for the help.
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I really wouldn't recomend this. The ES line has several features that really aren't useful for no enterprise use. Write verification is a big one, it checks with a read after every write is committed this greatly reduces write response time. This is better on the ES series from the NS series but still a pain in the ass. Also it has reduced error recovery so that if cerstian errors are detected or take to long the drive will drop offline. Where as the desktop version has more in depth recovery options and won't drop offline.


The other issue Seagate doesn't make a 320GB version of the ES line only 250, 400, 500 and 750 models. The previous NS line didn't have a 320 option either. You mind posting a model number I will let you know exactly what you are buying.

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I just looked on newegg the model is right for the ES line but seagate is not listing in on their website or in thier product finder. I would still recomend the 7200.10. Its also the same price right now.
 
Lazn_Work said:
Speed should be slightly slower than the non ES drive.
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This is hardly a valid conclusion based on those test results. While there are instances where the ES is slower than the consumer version, there are others where it is faster. When there is little spread in the data for all drives, the ES tends to score low (almost insignificant variations that may be within testing error bounds). When there is a large spread, the ES tends to do well.

The reviewer's biggest objections are for server use, not desktop. And if speed is a real criteria, these test show that the choice should not be ES vs consumer Seagate, but Seagate vs WD.

Based on the test results, I'd say the choice between the two Seagate versions should be based on intended use. The duty cycles for ES are 24/7 and the consumer are not. If you want that slight increase in reliability, the ES doesn't hold back on performance on the desktop. Personally, I'd prefer the ES at the lower or same price, but then I value reliability over negligible variances in speed.
 
draksia said:
Also it has reduced error recovery so that if cerstian errors are detected or take to long the drive will drop offline. Where as the desktop version has more in depth recovery options and won't drop offline.
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Only when used in RAID, no?
 
Michael Daly said:
Only when used in RAID, no?
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As unhappy_mage said these features are part of the firmware and constantly active.

The ES series is rated for the 24/7 on time but not 24/7 activity. There is a big difference between those two. These drives are meant for duties like tape replacement, paperless office and other low use but high availibility task. They are not meant for high performance SQL or anything with significant seek loads.

The only mechanical difference I know of is that they have better balanced platters and tighter tolerance on the spindle speed. They also have slightly different head actuation strategy. This is reduce harmonics issues when you get 24-48 of these in the same chassis.

Trust me you are not doing yourself a favor running these in desktop environment.
 
I am a little confused here. Are you saying that the ES is not as good as the 7200.10 or is is pretty much the same?
 
Neither really... they are saying that for a desktop environment, you won't really see any benefits and you might see a slight loss in performance. These are made for semi-enterprise environments. Most of the improvements are centered around making them function better in a large array (IE the longer error correction allowances and the tighter vibration tolerances.) Seeing that you will be running one or two of these drives, there won't be much point and you might as well just get the 7200.10 and a little performance.
 
Now that I understand!! Features that I would not take advantage of, with the ES, along with a slight performance hit. For the same cost, go with the non-ES. Thanks. rich
 
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