dvsman
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Did any of you guys see the movie The Prestige ...
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Or the internet is augmented with vaccum tubes that bring you your stuff.I have thought about what the future will hold as drone deliveries become common place...almost ubiquitous.
There's nothing obvious about souls, and there never will be.But he said cease to physically exist, obviously your soul simply teleports to your new vessel that was recently teleported
The idea of turning highways and such into shopping centers....did he really spend 6 months hashing things out because that's asinine. Does the internet cease to exist? If we have teleportation...you would have distribution centers that would just beam stuff to your house immediately after you order it online. Why the heck would I go to a shopping center...when was the last time you went to a mall?
I have thought about what the future will hold as drone deliveries become common place...almost ubiquitous. Like the opening scene of Ready Player One when the drone is delivering the pizza. Eventually, if we don't implode as a society, our thirst for instantaneous gratification will be further fleshed out by almost instant Amazon Prime drone deliveries, Dominos drone deliveries, etc...really anything. There are obviously a ton of things that would need to be worked out for that kind of world to exist, it won't happen overnight, but it will be someone's actually future, and I think that generation is alive now.
You'd go to a shopping center to showroom shop for personal stuff in person. Otherwise how do you know exactly the clothing you are purchasing will even fit your taste or furniture will match your decore? By looking at images in your VR headset?!
For commodity things like food, yeah I can see it being instantaneously arrive in your delivery box.
Sure. It'll be better than a mirror, because it will use NVidia RTX ray tracing to render. And there will be no more need to ask Honest Abe "Does this dress make my backside look big?" As to fit, your VR system will measure you (see, e.g., Sword Art Online) and all clothing will be bespoke, made to your exact dimensions and preference.Otherwise how do you know exactly the clothing you are purchasing will even fit your taste ... By looking at images in your VR headset?!
As could malware. You think browser hijacks and DNS spoofing are bad, just wait.Of course, the shoplifting thing could be problematic.
Not at all. The aboriginals would have no reason to think that a Polaroid wasn't possible.
We have many reasons to think macroscopic teleportation isn't possible.
you have reasons to think teleportation isnt possible, but i choose to believe that we have the same understanding of the process at THIS point in our history, that an aboriginal would have of a polaroid camera- pretty much none.... and as such, it could not exist in how we understand our physical world right now. in a couple more thousand years however.... who knows? we certainly wont... but that does not mean a shift in the understanding of the physical world would not open up that kind of knowledge given a couple thousand years.
Name a single reputable physicist that is working to make macroscopic teleportation a reality.It's only the lesser physicists that are actually doing work to make this kind of stuff a reality.
Well considering the first theoretical paper on the teleportation of an actual particle, not a quantum state is less than 2 years old you kind of are asking a lot and also dismissing quite a bit.Name a single reputable physicist that is working to make macroscopic teleportation a reality.
Or admit you're just pulling carp out of your sass.
So your saying alxlwson is communicating an untruth when he says "physicists ... are actually doing work to make this kind of stuff a reality" ?Well considering the first theoretical paper on the teleportation of an actual particle, not a quantum state is less than 2 years old you kind of are asking a lot and also dismissing quite a bit.
i get your point, and its not a bad point, i just disagree. also your response isnt really what i was talking about, but it was a reply to exactly what i said so... to clarify
they would have thought it voodoo or magic - we know it to be a simple process, but they would not have and as such would have seen it as not of their natural world and thus- not possible... without the whole magic part of it.
you have reasons to think teleportation isnt possible, but i choose to believe that we have the same understanding of the process at THIS point in our history, that an aboriginal would have of a polaroid camera- pretty much none.... and as such, it could not exist in how we understand our physical world right now. in a couple more thousand years however.... who knows? we certainly wont... but that does not mean a shift in the understanding of the physical world would not open up that kind of knowledge given a couple thousand years.
Everyone here seems to think teleportation would work like the transporters in Star Trek.
What if they created a stable worm hole between two locations (like in Stargate). No dematerialization and reassembly, no suicide, etc.
It would be like stepping through a doorway.
In theory, this would be more scientifically possible.
Also, other Science Fiction authors have already explored this.
I believe it was Larry Niven who wrote about portals in a few of his books.
In one book, he went into how countries blocked international traffic and forced all international traffic to go customs. They used old airports for this.
He also talk about how most the highways where turned into parks, while some sections where turn into race tracks where collectors would show off their old cars.
He also went into the problem with smugglers bypassing the international connections.
British science fiction novelist Peter F. Hamilton has a very unique vision of how the world would work and operate if teleportation portals were invented. He spent 6 months hashing out how the world would be changed while working on his newest novel Salvation.
Since we no longer need highways, they would be converted into parks and shopping centers. Hotels and motels would cease to exist as the trip from England to the USA could be completed in 2 minutes; thus a person would just sleep in their own bed. From irrigation to space travel, teleportation revolutionizes society's efficiency to the point where humans have to make a choice; spend a lifetime doing nothing or begin genetic engineering for higher intelligence.
Teleportation might also allow humanity to easily explore the galaxy. Hamilton's interstellar starships are propelled forward by exhaust channeled through a portal. "You have one part of the portal that you just drop into the sun, and the other half is the rocket engine on the starship," he says. "No need for any antimatter or fusion or anything."
Put your worries aside. When we do get portals they will be operated by the TSA; perfectly safe.My luck, I would go into the device and come out turning into a fly.
(obvious movie reference....)
Don't worry. That will be fixed in the next software updateUntil you are going to the grocery store and are accidentally connected to the portal on the sun. Instantly being fried and creating some interesting gravity as well.
That's not science fiction, it's pure fantasy. Teleportation is magic, not science.
Like imagining "how the world would work" if you could summon unicorns with a snap of your finger.
Teleportation isn't happening.
Though if it could, Mars, the Moon, Venus, Titan, Calisto, ect could all be terraformed, completely, in a year.
Open the portal between Venus the moon and Mars and all the others in a portal Gigabit switch and bam! Venus, the Moon, Mars ect would have an atmospheric pressure of Earth. Then its a process of adding plants water ect. Any excess pressure just vent to a space portal.
Nice idea but teleportation is a pipe dream. FTL communication is currently a pipe dream.
To me Salvation is as well written and paced as any of Mr. Hamilton's work. I loved the Void Trilogy, and his Commonwealth Saga is among the most captivating, if not THE MOST captivating sagas that I have ever read in this genre.
The portals are a quantum entanglement McGuffin, but Mr. Hamilton is more of a high concept sci fi author than a hard sci fi author. Reading his books one must be OK with sufficiently advanced technology looking like magic...after all, isn't it supposed to?
There's nothing obvious about souls, and there never will be.
If teleportation existed, there'd could be a substantial effort by religious folk to outlaw it as worse than murder, at the crusade/jihad level.
And if you think religion will ever vanish or become a trivial factor in human society, again, fantasy.
Put your worries aside. When we do get portals they will be operated by the TSA; perfectly safe.
Turns out, the author of the book is a scientific ignoramus. For example: he says in the article that x-rays go through everything and therefor would be a good weapon.
You haven't gone far long enough, try around 400 years.I'm sure that just 200 years ago if you told someone about television or radio, they'd burn you at the stake for heresy and witchcraft
Are you kidding?So what exactly would stop an x-ray laser powered by say a fusion reactor or portal tapped into a sun mr super scientist?
No what I'm saying is you're dismissing the idea of teleportation from the very get go was a little quick to jump to conclusions... again considering the first actual scientific paper on REAL teleportation (i.e. not "teleporting" silly quantum numbers and what not) is less than 2 years old.So your saying alxlwson is communicating an untruth when he says "physicists ... are actually doing work to make this kind of stuff a reality" ?
Thought so.
Now, with that settled, what's your criteria for distinguishing science fiction from fantasy fiction?
So, in your mind, what distinguishes science fiction from fantasy fiction?
'Cause you know, we don't know how to do full-out no-rules miracle-level magic either, but what do we know?
Science fiction should involve logical and plausible extensions of the science we know, not mere wishful thinking and technobabble.
Yes, that means what is SF may change over time: for example, we now know there's no canals on Mars.
But if you're going to bother to distinguish science fiction from fantasy fiction, what other test can you propose?
Yet the "Dragonriders of Pern" series is considered science fiction, pretty universally.what distinguishes science from fantasy in literature is plausibility ... unicorns and dragons ... no matter how well you lay out that story line, they still do not exist. thus fantasy.
So, in your mind, what distinguishes science fiction from fantasy fiction?
'Cause you know, we don't know how to do full-out no-rules miracle-level magic either, but what do we know?
Yet the "Dragonriders of Pern" series is considered science fiction, pretty universally.
So obviously, you're wrong.
You're dodging the question, not answering. I said teleporation was fantasy. A bunch of ignorati disagreed. That's the context.You are trying to define Hard Science Fiction, not Science Fiction as a whole. Science Fiction is actually a very broad topic. But the key part of the definition is "Fiction", meaning unproven science. Science Fiction also covers more than just physics, it also covers other sciences like psychology and sociology.
Also your assertions that teleportation is impossible because of macro vs micro is ridiculous. There is a difference between being able to do things on a small scale and a large scale. Experiments usually start out small and then start moving to bigger tests. Most often this is because of the money or logistics involved. Consider super colliders.