Here's an interesting one. My new case as an external e-sata port on the front (well top) panel. Internally, there is an e-sata cable connected to the front panel with the other end to be plugged into an e-sata port on a card or motherboard. I would like to make one of my m1015 ports (2 free right now) available via this connector. Here's the problem: as far as I can tell, the e-sata cable already hooked up has a female e-sata plug. The SAS/SATA cables coming off the m1015 have standard female sata plugs. Seems like there are a couple of possibilities (assuming the existence of the right adapters/connectors): plug one of the 8087 sata ends into a female sata/female e-sata cable, and plug tthe e-sata end into the front panel connector (removing the existing e-sata/e-sata cable), or get a sata male/e-sata male adapter and use it to connect both cables together, or ... (something else?) Any thoughts appreciated!
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sata / e-sata adapter?
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You would be looking for something like this I believe, or is the internal cable esata as well as the external port?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8...to_Sata_Male_Adapter_OSA24.html?tl=g2c197s878
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8...to_Sata_Male_Adapter_OSA24.html?tl=g2c197s878
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I'd really like to offer you a solution. But you need to accurately state your problem
. [Or, is this one of those damn essay tests?]Also, who makes this case? It will help to know who to avoid. I hate it when i'm given a "feature" that just creates a new problem. (Good engineering is a mindset thing.)
For example, in a related instance, my Gigabyte EP35-DS3R mobo included a rear-panel slot bracket to provide 2x eSATA connections, using attached cables each terminated in a regular SATA connector. That part was all fine. That bracket also contained a 4-pin Molex power connector (with an attached cable terminated in a male Molex). BUT the Molex power connector in the bracket itself is a male...think about it.
--UhClem
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Not to be snarky, but what was unclear about the OP? I have a front panel that takes an esata cable (so the port would be male?) and my HBA has a regular sata cable (which is female?) So I need either an adapter plug to convert the end of the sata cable to esata, or a cable which is sata male at one end and e-sata female at the other? A previous post referenced such a cable which I'm going to try...
As an engineering-type, I enjoy a technical problem (often moreso when it's not my problem
). But it should be clearly, and definitively, stated, whenever possible. For example,The "as far as I can tell" gives me pause. Straight away , this lacks definitiveness, and I can't be sure what problem I'm trying to solve (so I might pass). Remember, you know, because you can see everything in front of you. We have to rely on your communication to us.
To elaborate, when we speak of a cable, we usually mean a length of wire(s) with a connector at each end; the entirety being deployable to where we need it. However, in the context of front-panel connections, the "cable" is usually pre-(and permanently-) attached at the front-panel, with only the other end "available". If this is your situation, and this "other end" is the "female esata plug", that would limit your options.
Ahah! I've just re-read your OP, and you did describe your connectivity (I hope). [Edit: or maybe not. See my follow-up below.]
Mea culpa.
But hold off on the other solution. Gremlins lurk.
You want this (or maybe the two-pack; every geek should have a spare. They're real handy.) Except you probably don't want to wait 2-3 weeks. Source the same thing elsewhere? Also, will 20-inch suffice for your layout?
The con on the other solution is that you're adding 20 inches of length (and a connection) to the existing ??" cable. And then, in use, you're gonna connect another cable between your device and the top-port. I smell a slew of CRC errors upwind (Done that, been there). Remember, even though we're "talking" eSATA (which has a 2m spec) that m1015 port could/might only be spec'd at regular SATA (1m).
Sorry for the confusion I caused. Please accept my repentance
.--UhClem
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Maybe I should have just stayed out of this one, given my lack of experience with these 8087/breakout? cables. But ... your OP stated
Should that have been "into a male sata/female e-sata cable" ? Which is what mvroebel suggested. If so, kudos to him! He knew what you meant!
In closing: "All these emotional complications (cable, female, plug, male, etc.). Can't we just f*k?"
--UhClem
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The gender is not so much the issue as the type. SATA has an L shape, eSATA is straight.
About the gigabyte solution (now found on other motherboards, like my new MSI one, which interestingly enough also has 2 eSATAp on the backpanel, so you can get 4 eSATA total), it's true that the power connector is a problem, I ended up making my own 1m molex => SATA => SATA power cable.
I own two different cases with esata front or top connectors, and both have a regular SATA connector at the other end, I stand by my position that an internal eSATA is kind of strange. Maybe the cable is long enough that you could connect it to the backpanel of the motherboard ?
I know that SAS allows longer cables, but I'm not sure if it applies to SATA breakout cables, I would avoid any unnecessary length. I use a M1015 with 1m cables, but I wouldn't add any cable or adapter to that, personally.
About the gigabyte solution (now found on other motherboards, like my new MSI one, which interestingly enough also has 2 eSATAp on the backpanel, so you can get 4 eSATA total), it's true that the power connector is a problem, I ended up making my own 1m molex => SATA => SATA power cable.
I own two different cases with esata front or top connectors, and both have a regular SATA connector at the other end, I stand by my position that an internal eSATA is kind of strange. Maybe the cable is long enough that you could connect it to the backpanel of the motherboard ?
I know that SAS allows longer cables, but I'm not sure if it applies to SATA breakout cables, I would avoid any unnecessary length. I use a M1015 with 1m cables, but I wouldn't add any cable or adapter to that, personally.
The mobo makers buy these bracket/adapters by the thousands, (while nice that they include the accessories) but can't they spend a minute or two to ponder the ramifications of such a simple "design" decision?
I was "luckier" than you; I used a molex y/splitter (1xM=>2xF) and a molex(M)=>SATApower together. Which works, because the splitter is actually a "menage a trois". Of course, in this scene, the guy's just watching
."Strange"? You are too kind. I say it's stupid, and/or cheap. eSATA<=>eSATA cables are commonplace (and less expensive) vs. (the appropriate) SATA(F)<=>eSATA.
Of course, the perverse argument could be made, by the manufacturer/suit, that the top/front port is a frivolity that no one uses, so, instead, the user gets a useful (normal) eSATA cable. [Uh-huh ... now, pull the other one.]
==>danswartz I would like to know who the bozo is that made that flawed decision [including a eSATA<=>eSATA cable] (ie, case manufacturer), if you please. tnx
-- UhClem "We're all bozos on this bus."
Thanks. It's not anything major, of course; but "Stupid is as stupid does."
The quibble is not how Zalman did it, it's just their poor choice of cable. As Aesma said,
I've done dumb stuff like that (one or two of you might have also), but they're one-off things (the other morning, I switched on my electric kettle before I put the water in [reprieve via auto-off]). But, when you produce a product, you realize the fallibility of an individual (yourself) and "run it all past a review group" before finalizing a "design" to catch such oversights.
Unless yours was just a random prank by some Chinese felon on the assembly line, it does not reflect well on Zalman.
From your own perspective, it's moot. Your atypical situation required rectification regardless.
--UhClem "Unh-unh Chucko! You've got to plug in the female."
Here's the really funny part. The adapter cable arrived today. So I connect the sata end to the m1015 sata cable, and take out a couple of the 5-1/4 inch bay covers to get to the header and the esata cable won't plug in. WTF. A hunch. Disconnect the adapter cable and try plugging the sata cable directly in. IT FITS! In fact, both ends of the cable zalman had connected to the esata header are vanilla sata! I was fooled by two things: 1) the manual says 'e-sata/e-sata' and 2) each end of their cable has a small metal bit on the end of the plug, so I mistakenly thought it was e-sata. So I now have a $3.00 adapter cable I don't need. Oh well
And I now owe Zalman an apology--sorry, Z. [The philosophy still valid.]
Ditto.Oh well
Dan, you're quite the magician! Look at this thread ... (no offense intended, I can't resist) an illusion created from a delusion.
--UhClem